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Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

akadajet posted:

So many people in this thread are shocked and awed that people use their computers for more than playing Tetris and watching pornography.

No dude lol I�m just surprised at the need to stack three 3080�s instead of getting one of those purpose made 3D render cards like the Vega or or Quadro or whatever also I�ll gladly accept porn as an answer if you�re into VR 3D high refresh rate stuff

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Crunchy Black: Oct 24, 2017; by Athanatos

You seem to have very little comprehension of how GPGPUs are constructed, operate and are presented to an OS.

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trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

akadajet posted:

So many people in this thread are shocked and awed that people use their computers for more than playing Tetris and watching pornography.

hey man, some of us use our expensive Macs to post on dead gay forums

# ? Oct 19, 2021 15:22

jokes: Dec 20, 2012; Uh... Kupo?

Apple should release 4K/120Hz porn to really show what this new MacBook can do.

Or just tell me where to find 4K/120Hz porn. Please Tim

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repiv: Aug 13, 2009

Al-Saqr posted:

No dude lol I�m just surprised at the need to stack three 3080�s instead of getting one of those purpose made 3D render cards like the Vega or or Quadro or whatever also I�ll gladly accept porn as an answer if you�re into VR 3D high refresh rate stuff

octane will scale linearly over as many gpus as you throw at it

which has led people to do ridiculous builds like this

# ? Oct 19, 2021 15:27

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

repiv posted:

octane will scale linearly over as many gpus as you throw at it

which has led people to do ridiculous builds like this

Wooowww ok that makes more sense that�s interesting!

# ? Oct 19, 2021 15:28

chaosbreather: Dec 9, 2001; Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Ok Comboomer posted:

Things are alright for Mac games

Also worth noting that Apple Arcade exists and is crushing it. Everything on Apple Arcade is on iOS, iPadOS, tvOS and macOS and there are some stone cold bangers on there

# ? Oct 19, 2021 15:35

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

jokes posted:

Apple should release 4K/120Hz porn to really show what this new MacBook can do.

Or just tell me where to find 4K/120Hz porn. Please Tim

If you have 6 or 7 grand kicking around you can make it yourself.

# ? Oct 19, 2021 15:36

Hasturtium: May 19, 2020; And that year, for his birthday, he got six pink ping pong balls in a little pink backpack.

akadajet posted:

If you have 6 or 7 grand kicking around you can make it yourself.

Hey, look at that. Johnny 5 is still alive.

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Twerk from Home: Jan 17, 2009; This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Ok Comboomer posted:

It�s going backwards if you�re measuring from like the halcyon days of 1991.

I would argue that Mac gaming is healthier in 2021 than it was in 2011, for all that Valve was arguably putting more investment + effort in the platform at the time.

In 2011 the best recent games that you could get on Mac were either a handful of Valve/source games (the Half Life games, TF2, Portal 1, CSGO, Garrys Mod) or a handful of Blizzard games (WoW, Warcraft 3, Starcraft, Diablo 1+2) and that�s basically it. And Civ and XPlane.

The future seemed bright- here was Steam on Mac, here was Valve officially showing support for the platform, here was Apple and Intel finally putting GPUs with some real grunt in their machines (seriously, the first time I booted TF2 on my Sandy Bridge Air and it ran was like a revelation). Maybe this would turn into something real....

And then Intel�s progress went to poo poo and Apple prioritized their original design language plans and the Trash Can happened and GPU performance on Mac both stagnated and fell behind relative to the PC space again, and with it died all the dreams of AAA gaming.

But meanwhile, a steady stream of massively influential games�albeit games with often low requirements, and from indie developers�have been releasing on Mac, partially thanks to them being on other platforms like iOS and partially thanks to Steam being on Mac, for all that Valve seemed to stop giving a poo poo pretty quickly after bringing it over.

Undertale has been on Mac since the very beginning, Stardew Valley has been on Mac, all of the SuperGiant games from Bastion to Hades have been on Mac, Slay the Spire, Celeste, Dead Cells, Obra Dinn, Baba is You, Among Us, Fortnite�all on Mac.

As of this week, EVE Online has official Mac (and M1) compatibility, and there�s rumors that Warframe will be getting a port a decade after the fact alongside the incoming mobile ports.

I�m not saying that these really compete with the juggernaut FPSs that move billions in microtransactions (altho Fortnite�s been on Mac for like 5+ years now), but it�s honestly a far cry and big improvement from where we were in the 2000s, and only seems to be getting better.

I didn't realize that EVE was getting a Mac client, interesting.

Make fun of my taste in games all you like, but I was actually playing on Macs Left 4 Dead 2, TF2, Guild Wars 2, and Rocket League, none of which work anymore. There was also the caveat that some other games that had a nice Mac client don't have cross-play multiplayer between Mac and Windows, meaning that Company of Heroes 2 on Mac is a complete ghost town.

Also, Fortnite did have a Mac port, but doesn't anymore. It's been pulled a few months ago. The big waves of Macs losing games were when Catalina ditched 32-bit compatability: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/5E0D-522A-4E62-B6EF and then when OpenGL kept getting worse, and then finally when Epic & Apple got into their fight so Rocket League & Fortnite are banned.

GPU-wise, the M1 Max has memory bandwidth similar to an RTX 3070, so Macs are about to have a GPU that can handle just about any game that's able to launch on them.

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magiccarpet: Jan 3, 2005

If you're gaming on a Mac nowadays just use a streaming service like GeForce Now.

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hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

The M1 Air is pretty good at Openemu and DOOM WADS and I�m not sure what else you need

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Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

chaosbreather posted:

Also worth noting that Apple Arcade exists and is crushing it. Everything on Apple Arcade is on iOS, iPadOS, tvOS and macOS and there are some stone cold bangers on there

What would you recommend?

# ? Oct 19, 2021 16:02

Twerk from Home: Jan 17, 2009; This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

magiccarpet posted:

If you're gaming on a Mac nowadays just use a streaming service like GeForce Now.

This feels like a poor solution when a 14" Macbook Pro has a GPU much more powerful than the 1060 in my dekstop.

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doingitwrong: Jul 27, 2013

My experience is that if you have a Mac/iThing and a modern console, you will get a Venn diagram that covers pretty much all of AAA gaming and a good amount of strategy, puzzle, and casual games. You will struggle to play MMOs. Multiplayer games will be hit and miss especially because the porting company has to follow behind the official patches and port those too so you're often out of sync. You'll miss out on a lot of indie gems and niche games from smaller developers. You'll miss out on console exclusives for the console you don't have because while there might be a Windows port eventually, there won't be a Mac port.

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Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Ok Comboomer posted:

You mean the era that started in 1997?

I mean the era after Steve died and they clearly let Jony and his designers run wild with �minimalism� and removing ports and making everything (including iOS text) thin af, I�m not sure what they were trying to prove

The bad keyboard/dongle era really sucked and everyone told them and it still took like 3 years to start fixing keyboards

A MacBook with 1 port lol, gtfo

Edit: so 2016-2021, arguably is what I�d call the �bad keyboard era�

Comfy Fleece Sweater fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 19, 2021

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trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I mean the era after Steve died and they clearly let Jony and his designers run wild with �minimalism� and removing ports and making everything (including iOS text) thin af, I�m not sure what they were trying to prove

The bad keyboard/dongle era really sucked and everyone told them and it still took like 3 years to start fixing keyboards

A MacBook with 1 port lol, gtfo

ah, I didn�t know it was Steve who was making the keyboards good

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hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

Steve sprinkled a tiny bit of his lifeforce on every Mac keyboard pbuh

# ? Oct 19, 2021 16:28

Crunchy Black: Oct 24, 2017; by Athanatos

I personally want to see how Supreme Commander scaled if ported over to M1. Not particularly graphically challenging other than quantity of sprites, notoriously CPU-bound, especially in late game, etc.

# ? Oct 19, 2021 16:30

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

So, you need to buy a 96W USB-C adapter to get that fast charging to 50% feature for the 14-inch MMBP..

Luckily it's offered as a choice during config for $20 more than the standard 67W...

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Raymond T. Racing: Jun 11, 2019

I did it I switched my order to the $2500 14 inch

Delayed my estimated ship date by 2 weeks though

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EL BROMANCE: Jun 10, 2006; COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬

The EVE on Mac thing is confusing me, I thought there always was an OSX client back in the day? Did it get discontinued or something, as I'm sure I wasn't using Bootcamp to play it.

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Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

EL BROMANCE posted:

The EVE on Mac thing is confusing me, I thought there always was an OSX client back in the day? Did it get discontinued or something, as I'm sure I wasn't using Bootcamp to play it.

Presumably you were using the Intel client

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repiv: Aug 13, 2009

EL BROMANCE posted:

The EVE on Mac thing is confusing me, I thought there always was an OSX client back in the day? Did it get discontinued or something, as I'm sure I wasn't using Bootcamp to play it.

They had a version that wrapped the Windows version in an emulation layer, now they're launching an actual native version

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Xabi: Jan 21, 2006; Inventor of the Marmite pasty

I know they showed the Max with about fourteen external monitors. Does the Pro have any limitations there?

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Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

Pro can do two, Max can do 4

# ? Oct 19, 2021 17:33

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Another notch in Tim's belt

# ? Oct 19, 2021 17:36

EL BROMANCE: Jun 10, 2006; COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬

repiv posted:

They had a version that wrapped the Windows version in an emulation layer, now they're launching an actual native version

Ah that makes complete sense!

# ? Oct 19, 2021 17:39

pyrotek: May 21, 2004

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Pro can do two, Max can do 4

How does this work, exactly? The exact wording on Apple's web site is:

Apple posted:

Up to two external displays with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors (M1 Pro) or
Up to three external displays with up to 6K resolution and one external display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors (M1 Max)

The 6K60 display out would be over the Thunderbolt ports and 4K60 would be the HDMI 2.0, so does that mean that using the second thunderbolt display out on the Pro disables the HDMI, or does it mean the Pro actually does 3 monitors (2 thunderbolt + 1 HDMI)?

# ? Oct 19, 2021 17:59

AlternateAccount: Apr 25, 2005; FYGM

Very disappointed that we have examples of M1 Macs running Crysis through Wine+x86 emulation but no memes about LOOK WHAT THEY NEED TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER

# ? Oct 19, 2021 18:04

Doctor Zero: Sep 21, 2002; Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Hasturtium posted:

Hey, look at that. Johnny 5 is still alive.

And needs input. :parrot:

# ? Oct 19, 2021 18:30

BlackMK4: Aug 23, 2006; wat.; Megamarm

Shower thought, but it would be cool if Apple was holding the Mac Mini while they developed a game controller and lined up game developers to port

Developers get a user base that spends more money than the average and the ability to target the entire vertical stack of tech devices running a controlled subset of hardware. Apple gets to defy the "macs can't game" thing that has been around forever and grow into a new segment.

We already suspect that the M1 Pro/Max can trade blows power wise with the current generation of consoles

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Lightningproof: Feb 23, 2011

I don�t play EVE but I downloaded the M1 build to see how it runs and it kinda blew me away. An easy 60fps on my fanless Air. It�s an older game I know but dang I love this machine.

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AlternateAccount: Apr 25, 2005; FYGM

BlackMK4 posted:

Shower thought, but it would be cool if Apple was holding the Mac Mini while they developed a game controller and lined up game developers to port

Developers get a user base that spends more money than the average and the ability to target the entire vertical stack of tech devices running a controlled subset of hardware. Apple gets to defy the "macs can't game" thing that has been around forever and grow into a new segment.

We already suspect that the M1 Pro/Max can trade blows power wise with the current generation of consoles

2006 called, it wants its fantasies back.

Against all odds, Apple has found a bigger market for trash games on iOS that makes more money with less effort.

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LionArcher: Mar 29, 2010

Has anyone gotten Skyrim or fallout to run on an M1?

# ? Oct 19, 2021 19:06

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

LionArcher posted:

Has anyone gotten Skyrim or fallout to run on an M1?

Not sure about those, but apparently the Windows version of TESO runs and looks better via emulation than the Mac version does running on Rosetta 2

# ? Oct 19, 2021 19:13

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

pyrotek posted:

How does this work, exactly? The exact wording on Apple's web site is:

The 6K60 display out would be over the Thunderbolt ports and 4K60 would be the HDMI 2.0, so does that mean that using the second thunderbolt display out on the Pro disables the HDMI, or does it mean the Pro actually does 3 monitors (2 thunderbolt + 1 HDMI)?

Pretty sure it's just 2 and 4. If you have 2 Thunderbolt displays connected my guess is the HDMI just won't work.

# ? Oct 19, 2021 19:26

the talent deficit: Dec 20, 2003; self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture

do we think the air refresh will get the promotion display? i kinda hate the new chunky design with the little feet and i can't use the new pros for my work (because coreML/metal is a travesty) but i like high refresh displays so if this is my best chance at one i may as well get it now. i'd rather get an air with 120hz tho

# ? Oct 19, 2021 20:43

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Obviously it's my own personal opinion, but if the Airs do get the ProMotion displays, it won't be for a couple of years probably, since it's a good delineation feature between the Pros and Airs.

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Honj Steak: May 31, 2013; Hi there.

The iPad Air also doesn�t have ProMotion, so I�m sure the MacBook Air wont have it either

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