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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Centrist Committee posted:

in that case why not just hand over the finance ministry to musk directly and save the environmental destruction

That's true, I forgot he can just tank it any time he wants

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Honestly it's pretty clear that Bitcoin isn't hard crashing any time soon and maybe more developing countries should buy it. Not permit its use as a currency, obviously, but invest in it as a way to generate free money for cash-strapped nations that doesn't involve the IMF.

Eh. Probably what the spooks want. After all, why are they even still around? Solving sudokus that you can trade for drugs by idling your car is one thing. But then leaving a permanent record of transactions? Seems like a very big brained move.
So why keep them around? Could it be that they degrade countries', like Venezuela and Iran, ability to maintain capital controls while doing a DOS attack on their electricity infrastructure? All while sending copious amounts of MyCrimes.txt files to the three letter agencies?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Cup Runneth Over posted:

That's true, I forgot he can just tank it any time he wants

annihilating belarus' pension system because of bad molly

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/APjoshgoodman/status/1449500811134918659?s=20

lol, owned

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

good, gently caress em

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Doctor Jeep posted:

good, gently caress em

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Doctor Jeep posted:

good, gently caress em

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



they did what we did...in response to us doing it


that's whwhwuy they're fascists

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

What's the play here? Does Venezuela think they can actually get a prisoner exchange?

It'll be a good test of "we don't negotiate with terrorists! Well, maybe sometimes...."

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

net work error posted:

What's the play here? Does Venezuela think they can actually get a prisoner exchange?

It'll be a good test of "we don't negotiate with terrorists! Well, maybe sometimes...."

it worked for China. but it's still probably less likely to work here

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

The gamble is whether the US try some sort of special ops extraction where they end up killing the hostages anyways. That'd be a significant increase in aggression.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Doctor Jeep posted:

good, gently caress em

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


net work error posted:

The gamble is whether the US try some sort of special ops extraction where they end up killing the hostages anyways. That'd be a significant increase in aggression.

Jesse, what the gently caress are you talking about?

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007


:sotw:

I hope they take em to a ditch.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
The second episode of Jon Stewart's new show pretty much validates every one of his left critics.

He talks about how mask and vaccine mandates aren't really violations of freedom (no argument from me here), but then brings out a panel of people from other countries to talk about what real oppression looks like, and one of the dudes was this guy.

I was holding out hope that maybe a little bit of Stewart's politics have improved since he left the Daily Show, but if anything he seems like he's become a closer caricature of what leftists who haven't watched too much of his show imagine he's like.

Echo Chamber has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Oct 18, 2021

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Echo Chamber posted:

The second episode of Jon Stewart's new show pretty much validates every one of his left critics.

He talks about how mask and vaccine mandates aren't really violations of freedom (no argument from me here), but then brings out a panel of people from other countries to talk about what real oppression looks like, and one of the dudes was this guy.

I was holding out hope that maybe a little bit of Stewart's politics have improved since he left the Daily Show, but if anything he seems like he's become a closer caricature of what leftists who haven't watched too much of his show imagine he's like.

what was the dudes take on oppression in VZ? was it the standard “psuv is popular and thats not fair to us, the liberal elite” like every vz criticism has been

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

what was the dudes take on oppression in VZ? was it the standard “psuv is popular and thats not fair to us, the liberal elite” like every vz criticism has been
He said something along the lines of how Maduro was rejected by the majority of the people, doesn't enjoy large support, not really socialist, and had to resort to undemocratic means to fortify his position, like accusing rivals of being pro-American. No mention of how Maduro's opposition literally propped up a fake president with way, way, way less legitimacy. Dude's a literal dual Venezuela/USA citizen by his own admission.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
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Did they even mention US sanctions?

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Echo Chamber posted:

and had to resort to undemocratic means to fortify his position, like accusing rivals of being pro-American.

Lmao, after 4 years of russiagate :ironicat:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Echo Chamber posted:

The second episode of Jon Stewart's new show pretty much validates every one of his left critics.

He talks about how mask and vaccine mandates aren't really violations of freedom (no argument from me here), but then brings out a panel of people from other countries to talk about what real oppression looks like, and one of the dudes was this guy.

I was holding out hope that maybe a little bit of Stewart's politics have improved since he left the Daily Show, but if anything he seems like he's become a closer caricature of what leftists who haven't watched too much of his show imagine he's like.



https://www.mintpressnews.com/whos-behind-the-pro-guaido-crowd-besieging-venezuelan-embassy-in-dc/258533/

quote:

Francisco Márquez, the executive director of Visión Democrática, is the political advisor to Juan Guaidó’s fake ambassador in Washington.

lmfao

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Did they even mention US sanctions?
lol take a guess. The full clip isn't on YouTube.

The panel itself was kind of restricted, because Stewart's questions were framed in the context of the canary in the coalmine for the US. He doesn't seem too concerned about the differences between Sisi, Maduro, and Duterte, other than acknowledging/claiming they are different forms of oppression. Venezuelan guy claims his country was a democracy before Chavez ruined it. Stewart confirms the talking point that Venezuela is a dictatorship; doesn't push back at all because that wasn't his intent.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.alcalorpolitico.com/informacion/que-no-ganen-el-halloween-ni-fiestas-paganas-iglesia-promueve-el-holywins-355154.html

lol good pun

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Echo Chamber posted:

The second episode of Jon Stewart's new show pretty much validates every one of his left critics.

He talks about how mask and vaccine mandates aren't really violations of freedom (no argument from me here), but then brings out a panel of people from other countries to talk about what real oppression looks like, and one of the dudes was this guy.

I was holding out hope that maybe a little bit of Stewart's politics have improved since he left the Daily Show, but if anything he seems like he's become a closer caricature of what leftists who haven't watched too much of his show imagine he's like.

Am I right in remembering that Jon Stewart claimed a few times on his tv show to be a democratic socialist?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Am I right in remembering that Jon Stewart claimed a few times on his tv show to be a democratic socialist?

to be fair, Jon Stewart's political positions exactly match those of a self described "democratic socialist"

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Am I right in remembering that Jon Stewart claimed a few times on his tv show to be a democratic socialist?
I watched a lot of Stewart; and I believe the answer is No. He always styled himself as a liberal, but a liberal that wanted little to do with America's culture wars.

At best, he treated socialism as seriously as he did conservativism, as a legitimate ideological option. (When debating conservatives who use Socialism as a boogeyman word, he would push back not by claiming some liberal policy isn't socialist, but by saying "What's wrong with socialism?")

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Stewart has always struck me as a truth-is-in-the-middle kind of liberal. Not that he agrees with centrists on every single thing, more that he lionizes the very concepts of moderation and compromise and as a result isn't willing to accept that one side might just be completely wrong on everything and not worth engaging with. I think the thing that most disturbed him after 9/11, and the thing his show caught on for criticizing, was the "with us or against us" style of politics that Bush And The Gang pushed hard, and then that the Tea Party-era GOP took to another level by obstructing literally everything Obama did even if they agreed with it on principle.

I will forever remember his Rally For Centrism and Moderation back in 2010 when his metaphor for politics was zipper merging on the highway ("you go, then I'll go") because that encapsulated that he thinks both sides have some good ideas and they should take turns enacting them when they win elections.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


vyelkin posted:

Stewart has always struck me as a truth-is-in-the-middle kind of liberal. Not that he agrees with centrists on every single thing, more that he lionizes the very concepts of moderation and compromise and as a result isn't willing to accept that one side might just be completely wrong on everything and not worth engaging with. I think the thing that most disturbed him after 9/11, and the thing his show caught on for criticizing, was the "with us or against us" style of politics that Bush And The Gang pushed hard, and then that the Tea Party-era GOP took to another level by obstructing literally everything Obama did even if they agreed with it on principle.

I will forever remember his Rally For Centrism and Moderation back in 2010 when his metaphor for politics was zipper merging on the highway ("you go, then I'll go") because that encapsulated that he thinks both sides have some good ideas and they should take turns enacting them when they win elections.

zipper merging on the highway is always a complete shitshow because even one rear end in a top hat can easily gently caress it all up so I can see why someone would use it as a metaphor for the US legislative process

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
radical centrists: "truth is always in the middle, we need to compromise" *murders 3 million jews*

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1450434388030808069?s=20

very cool

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I don’t get it, at this point Anez is done. what does giving her an award accomplish

at least giving it to your little Venezuelan puppet

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


CharlestheHammer posted:

at least giving it to your little Venezuelan puppet

You mean Guaidó? Not even a participation medal he can achieve. He's the ultimate butt monkey.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

CharlestheHammer posted:

I don’t get it, at this point Anez is done. what does giving her an award accomplish

at least giving it to your little Venezuelan puppet

i think it's meant to make bolivia look bad

venezuela has already been made to look like poo poo, almost nobody in the EU is going to stick their necks out for them. bolivia, though, has open supporters and has been annoyingly hard to attack due to the extreme success of the morales governments

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



CharlestheHammer posted:

I don’t get it, at this point Anez is done. what does giving her an award accomplish

Muddy the waters. Wikipedia's article on Áñez already says that her arrest for ordering the massacre of 36 Indigenous protesters is "political persecution".

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Chamale posted:

Muddy the waters. Wikipedia's article on Áñez already says that her arrest for ordering the massacre of 36 Indigenous protesters is "political persecution".

"a move which several international organisations labelled political persecution" (one of them is Human Rights Watch)

You could use the same wording to support any false claim, like "many non-governmental organizations claimed the 2020 election was fraudulent".

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30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
Something about Anez hiring mercenaries to murder her political opposition and then doing a million :'( photo ops from the window of her cell reminds me of Sinema but I can't really put my finger on it.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1450484131415138308?s=20

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

30.5 Days posted:

Something about Anez hiring mercenaries to murder her political opposition and then doing a million :'( photo ops from the window of her cell reminds me of Sinema but I can't really put my finger on it.

the bloom county comic about admiral poindexter where a very cute dog is accused of crimes against humanity and shrugs through it but instead it's one of those lovely 20 year old toy dogs with heart worm and that crap encrusting their eyes

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

omg

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/bolsonaro-coronavirus-brazil-murder-charges-senate-report

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/status/1449764367604486155

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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Am I right in remembering that Jon Stewart claimed a few times on his tv show to be a democratic socialist?

Lewis Black did, or maybe just straight up socialist, as his parents were proud socialists apparently.

vyelkin posted:


I will forever remember his Rally For Centrism and Moderation back in 2010 when his metaphor for politics was zipper merging on the highway ("you go, then I'll go") because that encapsulated that he thinks both sides have some good ideas and they should take turns enacting them when they win elections.

I remember the closing speech of that thing caused a bit of a stir when he compared marxists to racists, but looking at the quotation now I think he was comparing the competing images each party's partisans have for each other. Problem is the Democrats aren't Marxist at all and the GOP is racist is as poo poo.

Dreylad has issued a correction as of 01:39 on Oct 20, 2021

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