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the talent deficit posted:do we think the air refresh will get the promotion display? i kinda hate the new chunky design with the little feet and i can't use the new pros for my work (because coreML/metal is a travesty) but i like high refresh displays so if this is my best chance at one i may as well get it now. i'd rather get an air with 120hz tho I think one rumor says it will get it. But, as for chunky they aren’t thicker than the current 13 inch pros. And weigh the same the beloved 13 inch MBP from 2015
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the talent deficit posted:do we think the air refresh will get the promotion display? i kinda hate the new chunky design with the little feet and i can't use the new pros for my work (because coreML/metal is a travesty) but i like high refresh displays so if this is my best chance at one i may as well get it now. i'd rather get an air with 120hz tho I'm going to say the air get promotion in 3 years at the earliest.
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Oct 19, 2021 20:59
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LionArcher posted:I think one rumor says it will get it. But, as for chunky they aren’t thicker than the current 13 inch pros. And weigh the same the beloved 13 inch MBP from 2015 they may not actually be thicker but they have all the grace of a brick. they just look chunky and awkward. and the feet are monstrously ugly (but i don't really need to look at them at least)
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the talent deficit posted:do we think the air refresh will get the promotion display? i kinda hate the new chunky design with the little feet and i can't use the new pros for my work (because coreML/metal is a travesty) but i like high refresh displays so if this is my best chance at one i may as well get it now. i'd rather get an air with 120hz tho maybe/maybe not, but it’s probably gonna come in iMac colors which is reason enough
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Oct 19, 2021 21:10
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Honj Steak posted:The iPad Air also doesn’t have ProMotion, so I’m sure the MacBook Air wont have it either "ProMotion" has got to be their worst branding fuckup in a decade, and is up there with .NET for making something difficult to Google.
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Oct 19, 2021 21:14
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I am so happy that the 2016-era Macbooks are, deservedly, an evolutionary dead-end. What a disastrous series of unforced errors. Only thing I'd like on the new ones is HDMI 2.1. I guess you can do that via Thunderbolt dongle?
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Oct 19, 2021 21:19
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Escape Goat posted:Only thing I'd like on the new ones is HDMI 2.1. I guess you can do that via Thunderbolt dongle? Yep, I wonder if that was a cost-cutting decision or/and related to the hardware shortage
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Oct 19, 2021 21:22
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Doesn't make any sense as a cost cutting measure. As I pointed out this morning, the HDMI limitation is purely artificial, unless someone can tell me why when they designed the CPU they gimped it---other than *tinfoil hat on* this has been in the works, as I have suspected, since before even the 2019 Pros were a glimmer in the eye and it was just an oversight.
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Oct 19, 2021 21:29
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Crunchy Black posted:Doesn't make any sense as a cost cutting measure. As I pointed out this morning, the HDMI limitation is purely artificial, unless someone can tell me why when they designed the CPU they gimped it---other than *tinfoil hat on* this has been in the works, as I have suspected, since before even the 2019 Pros were a glimmer in the eye and it was just an oversight.  I don’t know HDMI hardware/integration, my bad
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Apologies, wasn't trying to be mean about it; but it does irritate me that Apple being able to outclass everyone means we get small, stupid oversights like this baked into premium products. Not everyone needs to have read the HDMI, let alone Thunderbolt/USB [gently caress] spec to the letter.
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Oct 19, 2021 21:37
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Escape Goat posted:I am so happy that the 2016-era Macbooks are, deservedly, an evolutionary dead-end. What a disastrous series of unforced errors. I'm indifferent to dongles since stuff hangs out of my ports all the anyway and the Touch Bar is fine for what it is, but holy poo poo am I happy to see them no longer using this butterfly keyboard. I love the feel of typing on them and the sound is satisfying, but I'm on my fifth loving top case now (plus three more repairs on top of that to get keycaps replaced because they were causing multiple key presses). I hope whomever green-lit this design was paint-brushed across the face with an Apple Extended Keyboard and sent to walk through the town in shame.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/19/apple-polishing-cloth-sold-out-november/
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LionArcher posted:Has anyone gotten Skyrim or fallout to run on an M1? OpenMW builds and runs on an M1, so you can play morrowind at least 
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LionArcher posted:Has anyone gotten Skyrim or fallout to run on an M1? Via Crossover, yeah.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyiZx3s98ts
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Great, the one lone item I can afford that they've announced, and it's outta stock
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Oct 19, 2021 22:39
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Honj Steak posted:The iPad Air also doesn’t have ProMotion, so I’m sure the MacBook Air wont have it either Call me loving blind but I really can’t tell a difference on my iPad Pro. Like it’s a very nice screen but every time I’ve thought something special was going on I’ve checked the content metadata or whatever and it’s just regular old 1080p60.
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Oct 19, 2021 22:41
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Arivia posted:Call me loving blind but I really can’t tell a difference on my iPad Pro. Like it’s a very nice screen but every time I’ve thought something special was going on I’ve checked the content metadata or whatever and it’s just regular old 1080p60. If you want the best chance to spot the difference for fun, put it next to a 60 hz device and scroll through the thread real fast on both. I also find it very noticeable in things like springboard animations, like opening and closing apps and folders, or unlocking the device.
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Oct 19, 2021 22:51
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Crunchy Black posted:Doesn't make any sense as a cost cutting measure. As I pointed out this morning, the HDMI limitation is purely artificial, unless someone can tell me why when they designed the CPU they gimped it---other than *tinfoil hat on* this has been in the works, as I have suspected, since before even the 2019 Pros were a glimmer in the eye and it was just an oversight. Unless Apple's chip design organization is absurdly fast, the company absolutely was making plans for this transition before the 2019 Pros shipped. As a rule of thumb, a chip design as complex as M1 or M1 Pro / Max should take at least three years to proceed from the initial architectural analysis and spec document to the final bugfixed mask set ready for mass production. It is possible to slipstream new I/O interfaces into an in-progress chip design up to a certain point in its development, but eventually it needs to enter feature freeze so the team can focus exclusively on finding and fixing bugs. Another factor: I glanced at the HDMI consortium website and it sounds like 2.1 requires an all-new physical layer. I guess good ol' TMDS just wasn't scalable enough to support such high resolutions and frame rates. (And a 2.1 PHY still must fall back to 2.0 compatible TMDS, of course.) I wouldn't be surprised if Apple licenses lots of interface IP like HDMI, and I also wouldn't be surprised if something like a HDMI 2.1 PHY wasn't ready on TSMC 5nm on a schedule compatible with Apple's. Basically any time you think "well it's obvious they could have done X, why the gently caress didn't they" about any relatively new technology and any company, understand that poo poo happens on different timescales than you might think, and their internal reasons may not even be on your radar
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BobHoward posted:Unless Apple's chip design organization is absurdly fast, the company absolutely was making plans for this transition before the 2019 Pros shipped. As a rule of thumb, a chip design as complex as M1 or M1 Pro / Max should take at least three years to proceed from the initial architectural analysis and spec document to the final bugfixed mask set ready for mass production. One of the designers of the new MacBooks said they started on these machines at the end of 2019, (there's a twitter thread about it) and have been working on them ever since. So this tracks. Also, while it's a nice feature, it's another case of something that nerds can argue about online, but is incredibly niche/not very common. (Needing 2.1, since the build in screen has a higher refresh rate, and can't you use the thunderbolt ports to achieve this anyway?) Echo chamber and all that. Like a lot more people will buy these because they think they need all the power, but in reality it's only a small group that actually need the high end of these, even those who need these over the airs could probably easily get by with the base models. I say all that knowing I"m one of those people, and when it comes time for me to buy I'm 100% spending more than I need to. Also, this is pages back and I was in the middle of a bullshit prob, but the reason I need local storage for music is a lot of the songs I DJ are stuff that's not on the streaming sites. Not to mention all my movie/tv soundtrack scores I work to that aren't on streaming sites. (You'd be surprised what scores aren't available to stream. Stargate movie and Mission Impossible two soundtrack are two good bigger examples). That's not even getting into my preference to have stock footage/photos local instead of relaying on just online copies I've bought, and while of course I'll clone everything to an external SD, locally it's nice to have that stuff.
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Oct 19, 2021 23:56
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Perplx posted:I'm going to say the air get promotion in 3 years at the earliest. Or never, maybe The og Air, did it ever get Retina? I remember it took years before I gave up and got a Pro
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Or never, maybe The Air got retina displays starting 2018.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Or never, maybe The OG Air didn’t, but the third big chassis version that came out in 2018 (the same one they put M1 in last year) did. Also the “OG Air” that you’re probably thinking about (the one that basically started the Ultrabook era in 2010/2011) is the second version. The first was the $2000 niche computer that Steve famously pulled out of the manila folder in 2008 and had the little hatch covering the ports.
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Yeah and it had the infamous bomb bay flip out port that had Mini DisplayPort, headphone jack and USB that would frequently jam open / closed that I think I must have replaced dozens of.. And those first gen airs had a PATA SSD that was barely faster than a platter..
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Binary Badger posted:Yeah and it had the infamous bomb bay flip out port that had Mini DisplayPort, headphone jack and USB that would frequently jam open / closed that I think I must have replaced dozens of.. Those computers were such a mess lol
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The HDMI port is for hooking up to projectors and boardroom TVs. HDMI 2.1 is probably not a high priority for that purpose.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:35
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TACD posted:Those computers were such a mess lol That second Gen, tho....especially those 2011 Sandy Bridge machines with iGPUs that could actually run some poo poo....those are GOAT-tier computers
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I'd be surprised if they continue the iMac Pro line. binarysmurf posted:Yup. Utterly bummed there wasn't a Mini release today. Maybe a soft release before EOY? AlternateAccount posted:2006 called, it wants its fantasies back. Binary Badger posted:And those first gen airs had a PATA SSD that was barely faster than a platter..
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Oct 20, 2021 00:54
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japtor posted:The SSD was a pricey option iirc, the low end default was a platter drive wasn't it? From the iPods specifically, so even slower than the usual laptop platter drive. yeah, IIRC it was the same Panasonic drive that was in the iPod Classic
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Oct 20, 2021 00:59
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i thought iMac Pros were just their clunky hastily built solution until they could actually make an actual Mac Pro.. that's still coming out right?
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Strong Sauce posted:i thought iMac Pros were just their clunky hastily built solution until they could actually make an actual Mac Pro.. that's still coming out right? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no, but I had the same thought today that I wonder if Apple is working on a Mac Pro refresh with their new processors.
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I said come in! posted:I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no, but I had the same thought today that I wonder if Apple is working on a Mac Pro refresh with their new processors. yes there’s lots of supposedly-quite credible rumors out there about it being smaller than cheesegrater 2
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Oct 20, 2021 01:18
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Is there really a need for a separate iMac Pro if the iMac comes with a ProMotion screen and an M1 Max? I get why it existed, but it seems unnecessary if the new iMacs line up with the new MBPs.
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Thought that Gurman had said there were 64 and 128-core behemoths coming that were more appropriate for compact cheese grater III revs..
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TheMadMilkman posted:Is there really a need for a separate iMac Pro if the iMac comes with a ProMotion screen and an M1 Max? I get why it existed, but it seems unnecessary if the new iMacs line up with the new MBPs. not really, but an M1 Max in a black iMac would be cool, and I am in favour of cool things
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It’s been, uh, a while since I stuffed money into Steve’s coffin in return for a laptop — I still have a year from purchase to add AppleCare+, right?
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Martytoof posted:It’s been, uh, a while since I stuffed money into Steve’s coffin in return for a laptop — I still have a year from purchase to add AppleCare+, right? since magsafe is back you don't really need apple care because you're not going to trip on the power cord and knock your laptop over. I bet they added it back because the trip hazard was eating into their bottom line with warranty repairs
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Martytoof posted:It’s been, uh, a while since I stuffed money into Steve’s coffin in return for a laptop — I still have a year from purchase to add AppleCare+, right? pretty sure it's 60 days
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akadajet posted:since magsafe is back you don't really need apple care because you're not going to trip on the power cord and knock your laptop over. I bet they added it back because the trip hazard was eating into their bottom line with warranty repairs Man I tripped last year and sent my iPad Pro flying into a concrete floor like 200 days into AppleCare and they replaced it like it was nothing — You better believe I’m getting AC+ on my $3000 laptop :P glassyalabolas posted:pretty sure it's 60 days Oh word, I’m going to need to research real quick. No issues spending the money to protect, just figured I had a year to slap it on there :O
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