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Ooh nice, Polestar 2! that's definitely one I am considering too. And yeah wish they had a nice proper Polestar Blue.
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So this is a stupid question, and I think I know the answer, but just want to hear the chorus - I don’t have a level 2 charger, and my reading says that the 110v charger adds 8 miles and hour of range. Since my daily usage is probably 23 miles max, do I really even need a level 2 charger? I’d like to get a wrap lol but that falls well into gratuitous territory. Difficult enough to justify to ourselves to just get an EV/new car.
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some_admin posted:So this is a stupid question, and I think I know the answer, but just want to hear the chorus - Probably not. If at some point you find that you DO need one, it’s got to at least do the research beforehand and have a plan, even if you don’t execute it right away.
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Oct 19, 2021 15:51
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some_admin posted:So this is a stupid question, and I think I know the answer, but just want to hear the chorus - For a 150mi+ EV a L1 will fill most needs. I only got a L2 because I was draining my Volt if I happened to forget to plug in and there was only a buffer for the next day if I was lucky. That being said even a low amp L2 is nice to have and will fill almost any EV to full overnight.
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some_admin posted:So this is a stupid question, and I think I know the answer, but just want to hear the chorus - No way is that 8 miles of range per hour figure accurate. Miles of range added per hour depends on driving efficiency. Your typical 120v charger maxes out at 1.4kW, which is the max you can continuously pull from a typical 120v outlet. Using the EPA efficiency figure for the Polestar 2 (370wh/mi), that translates to 3.9 miles of range added per hour. On the other end using some figures from some real-world tests I found (269 wh/mi at 60mph), it translates to 5 miles per hour. Assuming your efficiency was in that range, you would need between 4 and 6 hours to recover 23 miles of driving range on a 120v charger, which seems livable. For comparison, at some typical 240v charger outputs, you could expect this: (using the 370mi/wh WPA figure here) 3.6kW - 9.7 miles per hour. 6.6kW - 17.8 miles per hour 7.2kW - 19 miles per hour 9.6kW - 25 miles per hour 11kW - 29 miles per hour Can't seem to find any official confirmation on the maximum AC charging rate on the US spec Polestar 2. EU spec models are 11kW 3-phase. I would assume US models are probably 7.2kW. stevewm fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 16:17
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Pham Nuwen posted:I've had one, a Pro S, for almost 2 months now. I like it. My wife drives it to work every day (a couple miles), and we use it whenever we go somewhere together, since the other "car" is a little 2-door Ranger with no A/C. How are the steering wheel touch controls in your real world experience?
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I got a 240V outlet for charging my EV due to a few reasons: Fully tapping-out an 120V 15A outlet for 8+ hours isn't great, and you'll likely be replacing the outlet soon. I have an EV-focused billing plan with my electrical company which has a short super off-peak window at night so charging at a faster rate makes it more economical for me. Sometimes I forget to charge before a longer 100+ mile trip so it helps to be able to pump 8kW whenever I feel like doing it. Edit: Another reason is I got 1/3 of the cost back when filing my taxes. Some electrical companies have additional rebates as well. Nfcknblvbl fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 16:31
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8 miles per hour on a 110V L1 charger is difficult to believe. Unless we're talking about, like, a golf cart. 220V I would believe.
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Oct 19, 2021 17:53
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Do L2 chargers top out at 11kW? I have 200A service so the max one would be no worries. (The rest of the house is pretty much on a 100A breaker from a new panel in the garage to the original house panel so so have almost the entire extra 100A available)
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Oct 19, 2021 18:09
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cruft posted:8 miles per hour on a 110V L1 charger is difficult to believe. Unless we're talking about, like, a golf cart. 8 miles per hour would be 180wh/mi. Few vehicles can get near that. According to prominent Youtuber Bjorn Nyland the closest where of course Model 3s. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit#gid=735351678)
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priznat posted:Do L2 chargers top out at 11kW? I have 200A service so the max one would be no worries. 22 kW is the highest I've known about. In us NA folks, that requires a 100A run, and there's older Model S/Xs that can do it at 80A. Otherwise, the newer models charge at "only" 72A. There's various European EVs that rely on 22kW as well due to them not having DCFC capabilities like the Renault Zoe.
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priznat posted:Do L2 chargers top out at 11kW? I have 200A service so the max one would be no worries. L2 is usually limited by the car, not the service. most EVs will top out at 7.2 - 9.6 kW due to the onboard inverter, some do go higher. 9.6(50a) is usually the best catchall just to match the standard NEMA outlet.
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My understanding is the faster Euro chargers are 3 phase. Sometimes equivalent models are slower In America for that reason.
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I survived on a L1 for a few years. Short commute, low capacity car. I upgraded when I got a 62kwh car. The only issue I ran into with L1 was that if I had weekend plans I would need to plug in every night in the days leading up to the trip to have 100 percent Saturday morning instead of just plugging in the night before.
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The worse you are at planning ahead, the bigger your need for fast charging? Which means I'd have to install a DC charger at home if I'd ever got an EV.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:The worse you are at planning ahead, the bigger your need for fast charging? I feel like this should be in the OP for the thread. Maybe with a follow-up sentence like "Most EV owners in this thread have an L2 charger at home"
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I only ever used 120v for the nearly 8 years of Leaf ownership. It worked well for me and I certainly got past the anxiety of seeing xx miles left every day. Having a larger battery to buffer those days when you didn't get enough charge will be helpful. If the vehicle has passive systems using up charge should also be taken into consideration, the leaf certainly didn't drain 500 watts an hour to cool the battery, for example. Long term with a non-Leaf, I would really go for 240v.
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It takes about ~11-12 hours to charge my Volt (50 miles) from empty to full on 12 amp 120v. 12 amps is perfectly cromulent if you've got 20a circuits like my house does, but if you're on a 15a circuit, you'd probably want to stick with the 8a speeds, which would move that rate to about 16 hours. If you've got nothing else on the circuit you'd be just fine doing 12 on 15, but you should be sure there's no other loads on it.
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Oct 19, 2021 20:24
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It makes me a bit jelly that Europeans get to have 240V mains so 3kW charging over there is a snap.
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Oct 19, 2021 20:34
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Charging on 120 is slower and therefore better it's like sipping a fine aged wine vs pounding malt liquor (DCFC is butt chugging Everclear)
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Oct 19, 2021 20:39
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Charging on 120V is wasteful since a very significant percentage of the power is wasted on components not used for charging the battery.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:It makes me a bit jelly that Europeans get to have 240V mains so 3kW charging over there is a snap. Like TheFluff mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, 3-phase 400V all the way to your main fuse box is very common in Sweden. 11kW ez pez.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Like TheFluff mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, 3-phase 400V all the way to your main fuse box is very common in Sweden. 11kW ez pez. Pretty sure that's most European countries. It also means public "slow" AC chargers are typically capable of 22 kW (they usually have two ports, providing 11 kW when two cars are connected and 22 kW when only one car is connected). Which came in pretty handy with the Renault Zoe.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:The worse you are at planning ahead, the bigger your need for fast charging? With the normal amount of range available these days, a L2 charger is more than sufficient, just plug in whenever you get home. For long road trips you will need to do some planning but an app does all of the work
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some_admin posted:Deposit on a Polestar 2, should be ready Friday! Please post some pics and your initial thoughts on owning it. We are considering one of these but the nearest dealership being several hours away has us worried that any maintenance would be far too troublesome.
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stevewm posted:8 miles per hour would be 180wh/mi. (Though my horribly unaero Zero still draws that at around 90mph)
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Please post some pics and your initial thoughts on owning it. We are considering one of these but the nearest dealership being several hours away has us worried that any maintenance would be far too troublesome. Will do, when we inquired about service the “studio” said that they are paired with a Volvo dealership and you just take it there for service. During the lease period, there is 24/7 roadside support, and 2 years of Electrify America is included. First odd thing I’ve noticed, the Polestar comes with a jack, a compressor and a goo kit. I have not seen this combination anywhere else. Thanks Stevewm for clarifying the miles per hour charging rate, even at 3 mrph charging I’m Still in a good place. some_admin fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Please post some pics and your initial thoughts on owning it. We are considering one of these but the nearest dealership being several hours away has us worried that any maintenance would be far too troublesome. The "Spaces" for where you buy Polestars are not the same as servicing locations. A bunch of regular Volvo dealers are set up as servicing locations. Not sure where you are, but there might be service support closer than you think. I drove a friends' the other day and it was pretty good. It disguises the weight pretty well.
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Ulf posted:Pfft only because you’ve put four wheels on your EVs :brap: How do you like your Zero? Any surprises with ownership? I've been thinking of trying one at the local dealer as they always have demo bikes. VVV That sounds like the slimiest car sales person bullshit VVV Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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some_admin posted:First odd thing I’ve noticed, the Polestar comes with a jack, a compressor and a goo kit. Ev wheels take a ton of torque to stay on such a heavy car. This is the reason I've heard for not having a spare: you can't get it on tight enough. I wonder what the jack is supposed to be used for. Maybe it came with the initial (gas) chassis and they figured may as well include it.
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Probably a weight/cost savings issue more than anything else, it looks like your typical Tesla wheel is 129 lb-ft which is more than a Honda but easily doable (Corvettes are 140 lb-ft). If you have a Porsche with center lock wheels that need something stupid (400 lb-ft? 500? 600?) you can use a torque multiplier to get the required force. I know a goo kit is 100x easier for your average person than a plug kit, but the tire guys really hate that stuff. *edit* looks like the Porsches are 440 lb-ft but some people run in the 500s? MomJeans420 fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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cruft posted:Ev wheels take a ton of torque to stay on such a heavy car. This is the reason I've heard for not having a spare: you can't get it on tight enough. 
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cruft posted:Ev wheels take a ton of torque to stay on such a heavy car. This is the reason I've heard for not having a spare: you can't get it on tight enough. https://www.polestar.com/us/manual/polestar-2/2021/article/Wheel-bolts/#:~:text=The%20wheel%20bolts%20should%20be,lbs.). says 103 lb-ft My Fiesta ST requires 100 lb-ft. That range is neither unusual nor challenging to torque, and it doesn't seem to be about weight either. The only wheels I've heard about issues torquing are the center-lock things Porsche and others use on their high end models because racecar. Those apparently require special tools.
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cruft posted:Ev wheels take a ton of torque to stay on such a heavy car. This is the reason I've heard for not having a spare: you can't get it on tight enough. That's not the right reason. I can't think of any new car that is designed to carry a spare, even a space saver one. Wheels are a lot bigger than they used to and space is at more of a premium. some_admin posted:
That is a bit odd. Would it be useful to jack it up to inject goo and inflate? Otherwise, free jack for tire change yay.
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cruft posted:Ev wheels take a ton of torque to stay on such a heavy car. This is the reason I've heard for not having a spare: you can't get it on tight enough. Uhhh, not sure where you heard that, but lol no. For the 21" wheels on my Model Y P. Lug Nut Torque Spec: 129lb-ft
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TIL
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129 for Teslas and 150 for the Mach-E is more than average but not like an insanely high number. Average seems more like 80-100 range.
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I actually bought a 150 lb/ft torque wrench since mine only went up to 80 or something.
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I've gotten a lot of PMs telling me I'm lying about the torque wrench so here's proof that I'm not
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