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Rochallor posted:Yeah, the monsters were so out of place that it almost papers over this massive issue. You'd think Rachel and Jean should know better, given their respective histories. Yeah... the more I think about this issue, the less I like it. What the hell, Leah Williams. The kaiju show up exactly when Wanda recovers some of her greatest hits memories. They are chaos magic, just badly explained.
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I like Jean and Rachel being like "eh gently caress it we've been through poo poo too"
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Oct 21, 2021 02:33
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i figured they didn't care because they hate her
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Oct 21, 2021 02:34
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If nothing else, Sudden Kaiju Assault (which is my new band name) is a good thing to toss into the story because it gives the Avengers the opportunity to immediately turn around and fight to defend Krakoa without any nonsense from, like, AvX hanging over them. Captain America not just saying "oh okay giant monsters, how do we help" but adding in "Do me a favor and apologize to your husband that I'm gonna be late for dinner, Northstar" goes a long way towards establishing that, no matter what people might have expected after the first issue, this is not going to devolve into AvX 2.
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Oct 21, 2021 04:28
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site posted:i figured they didn't care because they hate her Do they though? I know Wanda is basically the boogeyman of Krakoa, but does that kind of thing extend to the higher-ups who've been on teams with her? Wolverine and Rogue? I figured ~~THE PRETENDER~~ was mostly red meat to throw to the Mutants Who Show Up In Big Group Shots crowd. "No More Mutants" was real bad, sure, but there were extenuating circumstances, and it's mostly been undone at this point now thanks to the Crucible.
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Oct 21, 2021 04:36
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As far as I can tell everyone treats her as the antichrist, besides quicksilver
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Oct 21, 2021 04:58
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I'm pretty sure it's the non-heavy rotation X-Men (+Magneto) who are mad about Wanda, the former because they are normal people and normal people love demonizing the poo poo out of stuff, and the latter because it's partly his drat fault and he's trying to deflect blame (he might be getting over it in this story arc, though) If you talked to Cyclops or Wolverine (either one) about it, they're probably still irritated, but also realize that poo poo happens when you're a superhero
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Oct 21, 2021 05:22
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Yeah I figure that most of the X-Men are probably sympathetic to her, especially the ones who have done bad things themselves. But people like Exodus who are more on the villainous side or believe in mutant superiority probably hate her. Magneto seems to just want her to be his daughter again and try to do better. But it seems like Hope especially was trying to help Wanda, and that carries a lot of weight considering she was the first mutant born after House of M. She might even have been involved in the plan to bring Wanda back as a mutant.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:43
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Rochallor posted:Yeah, the monsters were so out of place that it almost papers over this massive issue. You'd think Rachel and Jean should know better, given their respective histories. They're X-Men. everyone they know is an Omega Level compartmentalizer.
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Oct 21, 2021 06:16
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I think Magneto's real trial is to figure out what the gently caress is going on...or is that ours? I don't think I was expecting a traditional trial but I was hoping for more arguments and cross examinations, however casually, among the quiet council. I definitely was not expecting what we got today. Especially the shadows figure. Just glad Inferno #2 is next week
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Oct 21, 2021 06:41
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the murder mystery and the trial are almost irrelevant to this story which is supposedly about those subjects. i'm not sure what it is actually about, though.
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Oct 21, 2021 07:21
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Trial of the Magneto is extremely bad even when they draw old Wanda they dont forget the gigantic boobs in that stupid loving costume lol
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Oct 21, 2021 10:17
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fatherboxx posted:Trial of the Magneto is extremely bad Unstable molecules provide excellent support
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Oct 21, 2021 13:24
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Oh no her backup is from ages ago! Thats okay we'll just update her about everything. ...
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Oct 22, 2021 07:35
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Synthbuttrange posted:Oh no her backup is from ages ago! It's not the same. They're memories about herself, not her own memories. Those'll be back whenever what's happening with Wanda plays out.
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Oct 22, 2021 13:40
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That's actually really strange for a couple other reasons, namely, A) Wanda's most recent backup should be from around SIXIS, since everyone still thought she was a mutant up to that point. Why would Cerebro have missed out on stuff like Disassembled or House of M? B) Neither Jean or Rachel were actually around during those major events in Wanda's life so like. What did they implant her with? Other bystanders' memories? ..y'all I'm beginning to think not a lot of thought was put into this story
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Oct 22, 2021 15:17
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Synthbuttrange posted:Oh no her backup is from ages ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylACcnHS3i0&t=54s One of my favorite parts about the abridged version
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Oct 22, 2021 16:14
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Codependent Poster posted:Yeah I figure that most of the X-Men are probably sympathetic to her, especially the ones who have done bad things themselves. One of my favorite panels in Gillen's (? Or was this older?) X-Men was when they were having a meeting of the more important X-Men and Storm says something like "raise your hand if you haven't been mostly evil at one point"
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Oct 22, 2021 20:25
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Diet Poison posted:One of my favorite panels in Gillen's (? Or was this older?) X-Men was when they were having a meeting of the more important X-Men and Storm says something like "raise your hand if you haven't been mostly evil at one point" That's Gillen. It's like the first or second issue of Uncanny after Schism where Wolverine hosed off to be in Wolverine and the X-Men. Best part was Scott not raising his hand and Storm being like "Are you sure about that, Scott.?"
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Oct 22, 2021 20:29
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site posted:Does DC do the "old [gender] [character]" schtick as much as marvel? Marvel really loves it lol Skwirl posted:It started as just a copyright thing. Marvel needed a She-Hulk and a Spider-Woman just so DC couldn't have one. I have absolutely no proof of this but I wonder if Marvel was just more aware of this because of how they got control of having a comic called "Captain Marvel." Spider-Woman and She-Hulk may have been specifically because both characters had television series at the time, and a similar schlock action show (The Six Million Dollar Man) had a gender-swapped spin-off The Bionic Woman. I don't actually know anything about the contracts but there are contemporary reports that Marvel was concerned about the producers of the show trying to do a Spider-Woman or She-Hulk spinoff that Marvel may not get any rights/cut of, though Stan Lee and various other people give different motivations. Regardless, both characters debuted in the middle of their respective male counterpart's network TV runs. The "Old [gender] [character]" naming convention is basically because Old Man Logan was a successful comic arc/trade, which led them to do Old Man Hawkeye set in the same alternate future, which then eventually led to an Old Man Quill mini that might also be in the Old Man Logan universe, I don't know. DC did Old Lady Harley Quinn at some point, and The Dark Knight Returns kind of started the whole genre, but DC doesn't use the naming convention as much. They just released an Old Lady Catwoman mini-series this week, but it's Catwoman: Lonely City.
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Old Woman Wanda is definitely lampshading that trend for what it's worth. Wasn't a huge fan of this week's ToM, definitely felt scattered and didn't significantly advance the narrative or tell a single story worthy of an issue.
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Cloks posted:Old Woman Wanda is definitely lampshading that trend for what it's worth. Oh I absolutely misread the post I was quoting. I thought it was asking about gender swapping a chacter and skipped over the "old part of it. Marvel does it because Old Man Logan sold very well and was popular enough Fox made it into a movie.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:52
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While this event is garbage, I’m wondering if the whole “wizard dies but comes back to life as their younger self” is a tie-in to Death Of Doctor Strange, or if the author is just copying school work.
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Oct 22, 2021 21:30
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IUG posted:While this event is garbage, I’m wondering if the whole “wizard dies but comes back to life as their younger self” is a tie-in to Death Of Doctor Strange, or if the author is just copying school work. I suspect coincidence.
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Oct 22, 2021 21:39
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Skwirl posted:
The movie is so much better than the comic, btw, and frankly it's astonishing how good the movie is on its own. Uncanny, to put it another way.
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Oct 22, 2021 22:05
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Old Man Logan is a really good comic that also has some really unfortunate Millar bullshit.
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Old Man Logan and Civil War are essentially the same comic in my mind, mostly owing to the creative teams involved and the superior film versions, but I like Civil War slightly better because everyone making half-baked political stands bothers me less than incest Hulks and "Spider-Bitch" also in the infinite world of potential creative expression that is the comic book, the idea that the best way to end up with Marvel Mad Max/Wolverine Unforgiven is "Logan was able to solo the X-Men in a Mysterio illusion" is a downright Batman-y level of comedy. Also now that I type that out, I feel like the Injustice guys might owe Millar a steak dinner, or whatever it is that Scots eat when they feel fancy
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Oct 23, 2021 00:43
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OnimaruXLR posted:or whatever it is that Scots eat when they feel fancy English babies
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IUG posted:While this event is garbage, I’m wondering if the whole “wizard dies but comes back to life as their younger self” is a tie-in to Death Of Doctor Strange, or if the author is just copying school work. nah, bear in mind she's the Scarlet Witch They're setting up a Maiden/Mother/Crone kind of a thing with young Wanda, afterlife-who-still-remembers-her-kids Wanda, and old as hell Wanda
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Cloks posted:Old Woman Wanda is definitely lampshading that trend for what it's worth. oh yeah i know, same with old woman squirrel girl, i just find it funny how people seem to be leaning into it
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Oct 23, 2021 01:57
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Did they ever do Young Boy Cable?
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Oct 23, 2021 07:18
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Synthbuttrange posted:Did they ever do Young Boy Cable? He’s currently hanging out on Krakoa IIRC.
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Yvonmukluk posted:He’s currently hanging out on Krakoa IIRC. Kid cable went back to the future to become old cable. He's now in sword and gotg i think.
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OnimaruXLR posted:Also now that I type that out, I feel like the Injustice guys might owe Millar a steak dinner, or whatever it is that Scots eat when they feel fancy A munchy box, probably.
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Oct 23, 2021 13:48
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BrianWilly posted:That's actually really strange for a couple other reasons, namely, It's the Trial of Magneto, where Magneto just loudly admits that he did it and nobody actually seems too mad about that
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Oct 23, 2021 15:47
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Mameluke posted:It's the Trial of Magneto, where Magneto just loudly admits that he did it and nobody actually seems too mad about that It's followed up in Magnus: If I Did It, I Wouldn't Care
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I just read some comments elsewhere about this story having been butchered by editorial and stitched into something different, apparently in an attempt into making yet another misguided "let's fix Wanda" story. I don't know if this is an actual fact, but it sure does feel like a story from a writer mixed in with pages written by amateur hour editorial, leading to a gigantic mess. I was already pissed off they canceled X-Factor, and if they are now butchering whatever leftover plots Williams had in mind, goddamn it all.
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Oct 24, 2021 01:34
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Saoshyant posted:I just read some comments elsewhere about this story having been butchered by editorial and stitched into something different, apparently in an attempt into making yet another misguided "let's fix Wanda" story. I don't know if this is an actual fact, but it sure does feel like a story from a writer mixed in with pages written by amateur hour editorial, leading to a gigantic mess. I was already pissed off they canceled X-Factor, and if they are now butchering whatever leftover plots Williams had in mind, goddamn it all. this feels like a lot of "what ifs" when we don't have anything to go on
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Oct 24, 2021 04:50
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Blockhouse posted:this feels like a lot of "what ifs" when we don't have anything to go on Leah's talked at length about editorial interfering with her X-Factor run specifically to get this story as a standalone mini, and straight up words she didn't write and art she didn't approve making it into issues Feels a bit less like a conspiracy theory than the usual accusations of editorial meddling
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it's an excellent author putting out incoherent garbage shortly after putting out different incoherent garbage that was due to editorial interference (last chapter of x-factor). there are certainly other possible explanations, but the most obvious one is more editorial interference.
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