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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:No wonder why it tastes so good Kinda the other way around -- food that's carefully engineered to "taste good" (read: make you want to eat more) is also food that's so highly processed it's repeatedly going through factory processes that also involve plastic touching it repeatedly. Next time you pull open a bag of Doritos, pay careful attention to how it actually tastes -- it doesn't taste good. It tastes acrid and hostile, but it's so precisely engineered to hit very specific breakpoints on your tongue receptors, on your brain's receptors, that you go "Waow! I'll have another!" every time you gulp down one dry chip.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:18
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autism rates have also skyrocketed, part of that is also just better/more known/wider-net diagnosis, but other part? lol. putting a bunch of endocrine disruptors in fetal and baby brains is probably not very healthy but what do i know. after all, its the most perfect harmless inert Miracle Space Material.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:19
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SKULL.GIF posted:Kinda the other way around -- food that's carefully engineered to "taste good" (read: make you want to eat more) is also food that's so highly processed it's repeatedly going through factory processes that also involve plastic touching it repeatedly. My stupid fuckin brain being bamboozled feels so good.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:21
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Long live the new flesh.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:24
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SKULL.GIF posted:I shared an article about PFAS etc loving up all our endocrines the other day, it's upthread somewhere. I came across this series of blog posts recently and found this particular part fascinating. I really recommend reading (or at least skimming) the whole series, though, it's about 12 posts long. 
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Oct 21, 2021 05:28
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Why eliminate that which you can turn into forced labor? The future of the US is definitely going to be a hypermilitarized authoritarian country where everyone is forced to work for the cause against refugees/China. Same as now but with more work hours/days and they shoot you if you break your leg in a workplace accident.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:47
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DesertIslandHermit posted:The future of the US is definitely going to be a hypermilitarized authoritarian country where everyone is forced to work for the cause against refugees/China. Same as now but with more work hours/days and they shoot you if you break your leg in a workplace accident. It'll be the homeless first. They might be powerless, but they're still US citizens. BUT, they're a group that's unwanted by both sides of the political aisle - the right wants them gone because homeless programs cost a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of federal and state funding, but mostly because homeless people are an indictment against the infallible primacy of  . The left just wants them ~relocated~ somewhere where they don't gently caress with their property values. *Anything's* better than letting them stay on the streets, they'll say.Then, gradually, the system will be tuned to go after extreme debtors. Only the poor ones at first, of course. They'll be sent to work off their debts. It's only "temporary," of course. >.> As that refinement pays dividends, it'll be adapted to go after the lower middle class. People's homes and belongings will be foreclosed on and auctioned off - bankruptcy will have long been de-facto forbidden by making it so expensive and complicated to do so that it only remains an option for the comfortably rich and wealthy. Neighbors will pick at the carcasses of "failed families." It won't ever happen to them, you see. They're smart. They're watching the most recent violent debt-elimination game show on their neighbors' former holographic entertainment units, the ones they always used to brag about. They got such a good deal on it, even though they didn't need it. It's theirs now. It'll be their next door neighbor's in three months, when it's *their* turn to go. I mean, the camps aren't that bad - you're fed, clothed, sheltered...and you get to pay off your debts! Which never really seem to get any smaller. Oh well, it won't happen to me. I'm smart and good with my money. 
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Oct 21, 2021 06:03
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The thread was talking about space and other off world colonization a while back and I wanted to reply to it with a post in general about it because it ties back into a lot of fun thread topics recently like fossil fuels, energy sources, and the green energy scam. All of that is because the big limiting factor of us doing anything, on Earth or on other worlds, stems from energy. Usually, for any kind of Sci-Fi, this gets handwaved away one of three ways; not discussing it, nuclear or fusion future tech, or green energy (which is almost always solar, rarely geothermal when it’s an option). Once you’ve handwaved away energy concerns it’s fairly easy to make up whatever alchemy you want for meeting human needs of air and sustenance. Infinite cheap fusion gives us all the mechanically separated oxygen and water we could ever use, the same way fossil fuels do for us currently. Now the immediate problem of how to colonize another planet is first and most obviously, “How do we get there?”, which at this point we have solved pretty well with a bunch of cool rockets and math. So once you can go somewhere, the next step is just asking “how do we survive there?” which is pretty interesting because of how multifaceted and long term the question is. Short term? Well, if you can reach the planet, you can survive as long as your needs are met, which is to say, food, water, air, and then your own sanity. The last one is the hard bit, because it includes things like green spaces, private areas, public areas, other people, recreational activities, procreation, so on and so forth. You can skimp on a lot of that short term, but we’re talking colonization, not just a visit to another planet. So now we’re already hitting multiple snags. How many things can you reasonably send to another planet? Well, so far, we’ve managed to spend a few very tiny camera drones, even fewer tiny drone cars, and even fewer small minivan sized drones. So nothing that’s even remotely near the size of a habitable space for a human for more than a few days at most. We could probably send a few bigger things to Mars, and ignoring the logistics of people surviving a lethally radioactive flight through deep space for 6-12 months, long term you’d need to create an infrastructure to build more things you need to survive on Mars. And that’s the true reason we will never colonize another planet: we don’t have enough free energy to do that. You could send a nuclear reactor over, and a ton of batteries, and a bunch of rovers and mining tools, and then if our theories are right we *might* be able to find *some* of the materials we would need to build a sustainable Mars colony. But you’d also be missing out on a ton of materials and minerals that we have and rely on Earth thanks to the fact we are on a living planet; not just life itself but there’s still active geological processes, a thick atmosphere, and an active hydrosphere. Long term you start butting into the problem of poo poo breaking and needing to be replaced, aka the Green Energy problem that Rime brings up all the time, of abandoned broken windmills sitting around the west coast or fields of shattered solar panels lying in deserts being buried in sand dunes. That needs a very wide base to your pyramid to continue building all the specialized parts at the top, and right now all the conveniences of Earth: a breathable atmosphere, solar energy and heating, things to eat, a soil to grow in, etc etc make up the first few layers of the pyramid we live in. There’s just no way to leapfrog that pyramid base without, at bare minimum, fictional infinite energy. But it’s pretty easy to look past it when you’re analyzing individual problems with colonization. Oh, there’s no soil on mars? Well we can just ship some fertilizer over and then grow potatoes and we can efficiently recycle everything used in the process (we can’t even do that in domes built on a breathable Earth atmosphere, let alone ones erected on a frozen wasteland with almost no atmosphere) and never need to ship that over, and then they’ll magic up more soil for the next generation by uh, idk, making it over there! Humans can’t really rationalize past their own life span, hell, we can’t even rationalize where or how we’ll be living 5-10 years down the line, which is why the idea of mars colonization as a glorified expensive camping trip is so god drat appealing to all the idiot tech-billionaires. All of those fantasies brought about by stupid loving space sci-fi that just glosses over how we solved all our energy needs.
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Oct 21, 2021 06:15
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tl;dr: the earth is ultimately a closed system with not enough energy for its current human population, let alone fueling other people living on other planets. the only reason we've made it this far is we ran the battery that is fossil fuels until it hit 15% and went into power saving mode. Now it's at 5% and we're seeing if we can squeeze one last game of Hearthstone in before it turns off along with the app producing all of our food.
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Oct 21, 2021 06:20
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Sci-fi movies and books brainwashed a bunch of dorks into believing living and traveling in space would be possible.
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Oct 21, 2021 06:27
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Xaris posted:the planet is dying faster than we thought: https://www.livescience.com/ghastly-future-global-crises.html quote:The dark future described in this paper is not guaranteed, the authors wrote, so long as world leaders and policymakers start immediately taking the problems before us seriously. Once leaders accept "the gravity of the situation," then the large-scale changes needed to conserve our planet can begin. Those changes must be sweeping, including "the abolition of perpetual economic growth … [and] a rapid exit from fossil-fuel use," the authors wrote. hmm Filthy Hans posted:wrap it up, pedestailures hmmm err posted:
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Oct 21, 2021 06:44
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Minrad posted:the most i feel safe to expand on this is that the endocrine system is provably disrupted by plastic, and the endocrine system controls hormones that heavily play into sex and gender it's also been proven in rare and extreme cases of abnormally high-level fetal dosing to particularly bad edcs, but the extrapolation to low-level lifelong dosing doesn't seem to be a stretch also the way a lot of pollution, in particular, nano/micro plastics works as edcs tends to be a little worse one way given that's also the 'default' pathway for mammalian development which is also what is seen.
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Oct 21, 2021 06:45
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we just need quaid to start the reactor, bingo bongo so simple
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Oct 21, 2021 07:13
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bowser posted:The world is desolate. The last vestiges of humanity cling onto life in their brutal new reality. listen, jack, there will come soft rains
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Oct 21, 2021 09:45
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the nice thing about capitalism's efficiency and neoliberalism's love of the status quo is that by the time they start to put everyone in camps for ecofascist reasons the climate and biosphere will have broken down enough that it wont matter so if they want to beat that at the rate its going they need to hurry up and start putting more than just refugees in the concentration camps
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Oct 21, 2021 09:49
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https://youtu.be/UF_wabuo5Ng lol stop tracking me google
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Oct 21, 2021 10:06
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space travel being unattainable is good, because all we’d do is poo poo up the universe. Agent Smith was right.
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Oct 21, 2021 12:31
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Blowdryer posted:was this recorded? would like to watch but it was a bad time for me Ornery and Hornery posted:yo you got a link to the ppt or video? Blowdryer posted:can you share if you get access It’s up on the Just Collapse blog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BjilH04QXQ
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Oct 21, 2021 12:49
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Stick around, Mr Climate Enjoyer, things are really starting to... Cook
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Oct 21, 2021 12:55
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man, the growing online collapse communities are pretty wild lol at needing to label the lava
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Oct 21, 2021 13:50
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58982445 oh word?
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Oct 21, 2021 13:51
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Minrad posted:the most i feel safe to expand on this is that the endocrine system is provably disrupted by plastic, and the endocrine system controls hormones that heavily play into sex and gender As someone who's going through this now I'm just gonna say if it wouldn't have 100% been guaranteed to destroy my life and make me homeless I would have transitioned 20 years ago. It's like how once we stopped beating people for being left handed wow suddenly 10% of the population is left handed!
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Oct 21, 2021 14:11
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brakeless posted:hmm Have you heard that the world's largest carbon capture plant just opened in Iceland?
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Oct 21, 2021 14:17
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Koirhor posted:I don’t know about all that appalachia is above sea level and seems fat to me the major tributaries of the mississippi (new river, kanawha, etc.) in appalachia are abnormally highly-polluted owing to the high concentration of chemical plants and other heavy industry on the banks. (radford army ammunition plant is a big contributor AFAIK)
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Oct 21, 2021 15:10
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kater posted:lol love to feel uncomfortable getting a glass of water I enjoy my water filter KaptainKrunk posted:1) conventional oil peaked in 2007; we're plateauing right now the first graph here shows conventional peaking in 2018 http://crudeoilpeak.info/latest-graphs I'm also wondering if the area were production peaks necessarily means peak oil, just because the amount produced is also related to the total demand. It's not necessarily the absolute maximum that can be extracted right? SKULL.GIF posted:Ever notice how all the I'm not saying the plastic stuff is or isn't the main cause, but a lot of things have also changed in the last 50 years besides the increase in PFAS. Sedentary lifestyles have become much more common, and portion sizes have gotten much bigger. actionjackson has issued a correction as of 16:07 on Oct 21, 2021 |
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Oct 21, 2021 16:00
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There are many places in the world where people don't eat garbage and stay active and everyone is skinny there. I live in one of those places and it's kind of surreal to travel and be reminded we are the weirdos.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_u5RuvNog
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Oct 21, 2021 16:12
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that approaching collapse forum is cool, not sure if I fully agree with her arguments for a one child standard "cultures throughout history have recognized the need to control population size" but nothing anywhere close to this scale, and the fact that they did doesn't make it right. I don't see how you can believe in reproductive freedom going one way (abortion) but not the other (choosing to produce a child). also what would you even do globally to women who had >1 children exactly? "it's not discrimination because it's being applied to all people" (paraphrase) but people in some parts of the world have an actual need for >1 children, i.e. more of the developing world. And also these people are contributing the least to climate change. To me the one child standard makes sense more for "first world" industrialized countries where there is less need for multiple children, and also these are the people that are producing the most carbon. A child from the US is much more harmful than from say, Bangladesh
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Oct 21, 2021 18:15
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-1 child policy
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Oct 21, 2021 18:19
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Fair enough, mandatory abortions for all.
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Oct 21, 2021 18:25
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careful, abortions are illegal in some us states now aren't they? don't want to get b& for promoting illegal activities
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Oct 21, 2021 18:37
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i keep thinking about those meth addicted fish. hope they're doing okay! 
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Oct 21, 2021 18:43
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SKULL.GIF posted:Also that bottled water is absolutely worse for you than the glass of tap water maybe in America, land of heavily regulated water with meticulous inspection that totally always happens and will surely happen forever as everything else is gutted, but this is a good way to get sick in a great deal of the world
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Oct 21, 2021 18:43
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SKULL.GIF posted:Next time you pull open a bag of Doritos, pay careful attention to how it actually tastes -- it doesn't taste good. It tastes acrid and hostile, but it's so precisely engineered to hit very specific breakpoints on your tongue receptors, on your brain's receptors, that you go "Waow! I'll have another!" every time you gulp down one dry chip. I don’t think anyone know enough about brains to do this beyond the basic ideas of salt sugar and fat, there’s no precision involved
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Oct 21, 2021 18:45
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actionjackson posted:I don't see how you can believe in reproductive freedom going one way (abortion) but not the other (choosing to produce a child). by looking at material reality
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Oct 21, 2021 19:02
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I keep wondering if the shunt in my head is poisoning me.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:17
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mawarannahr posted:I don’t think anyone know enough about brains to do this beyond the basic ideas of salt sugar and fat, there’s no precision involved You don't need to know the specific neurochemistry to be able to run repeated A/B tests on taste testers and go with the formulation that they can't stop munching on
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Oct 21, 2021 19:18
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mawarannahr posted:I don’t think anyone know enough about brains to do this beyond the basic ideas of salt sugar and fat, there’s no precision involved Nah dude, frito lay has spent a fortune on r&d to perfect the dorito-cule. You ever wonder if the "powder" on the chips is less than you remember? That's because too much dorito-cule will accumulate on your body.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:20
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they probably don’t even do the a/b tests, or if they did they are guaranteed to have done them wrong. I don’t think anyone really does any good research at all in this area . https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/stephaniemlee/brian-wansink-cornell-p-hacking don’t worry about it
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Oct 21, 2021 19:56
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Isn't it more of an evolutionary process where they find a way to cut costs by substituting x ingredient with sawdust, then focus groups decide if it's acceptable or not? Multiply that by a hundred iterations and you get the modern big mac or whatever.
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