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Len posted:This is why I don't discuss how much I make with coworkers. There's been too many times they get furious with me and make it A Thing Just share it here with us so we can get furious at you instead. What an amazing snipe, but I'm leaving it.
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The fact that the writer of that episode was a shitbag libertarian makes so much sense. Don't know why it took the guy 20 minutes to say it, but it was still worth a watch
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Oct 21, 2021 04:00
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Abe sold his house to help Homer buy it.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:13
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Abe sold his house to help Homer buy it. good point. but that was also before homer got his job at the plant
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Oct 21, 2021 05:21
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Mr Interweb posted:good point. but that was also before homer got his job at the plant A lot of flashback episodes miss/forget/retcon that Homer originally had a different job at the plant working in waste management, and ended up fired for incompetence then hired back as a safety inspector.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:44
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Alexander Hamilton posted:One thing that’s common in 90s stuff is an early episode of Friends where Chandler suffers angst over getting offered a management job at his big corporation because it means he has to stare at numbers all day. He’s 27 and he’s probably making over $100k a year with no prior experience! There’s like a million millennials who’d slit his throat for that job now. I feel like the whole world of '90's-and-earlier "I have a stable 40-hour-a-week office job that pays a comfortable living wage, but I hate it so much! Meetings! Spreadsheets!!" humor curdled instantly after the mid-2000's recession, and the rise of the gig economy means it's probably dead for good, aside from maybe for the computer-toucher market. Sitting in boring meetings you're being paid for is loving aspirational now.
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Oct 21, 2021 05:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of flashback episodes miss/forget/retcon that Homer originally had a different job at the plant working in waste management, and ended up fired for incompetence then hired back as a safety inspector. was that in the flashback episode where marge and homer were in a grunge band in high school (in the 90s!!!)?
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Oct 21, 2021 07:26
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Homer's old position is still in the intro.
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Oct 21, 2021 07:42
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Ambitious Spider posted:The frank grimes son episode actually had a joke that made me laugh a bit: Oh hey, Sideshow Bob is in this. This reminds me of one of the absolute stupidest things modern Simpsons has done. From season 25: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_Who_Grew_Too_Much Sideshow Bob has experiments done on him by Mosanto and gets legit actual superpowers from DNA splicing like grasshopper jumping and whale sonar. 
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Vandar posted:Oh hey, Sideshow Bob is in this. This reminds me of one of the absolute stupidest things modern Simpsons has done. That is something I can reasonably see happening with Monsanto if the GOP gets back into power and then abolishes elections.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:The fact that the writer of that episode was a shitbag libertarian makes so much sense. Swartzwelder was one of the shows best writers but his politics were utter trash. This is the guy who wanted an ep where Homer was revealed to be Matt Drudge (this eventually became “The Computer Wore Menace Shoes”). AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 08:27 on Oct 21, 2021 |
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Oct 21, 2021 08:24
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Mr Interweb posted:was that in the flashback episode where marge and homer were in a grunge band in high school (in the 90s!!!)? Season one, episode three: Homer's Odyssey. Wikipedia posted:Mrs. Krabappel takes Bart's class on a field trip to the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. Distracted when Bart waves at him, Homer crashes an electric cart into a cooling vent and is fired. Homer searches for a new job without success. Feeling like a failure, he writes a note to his family and decides to commit suicide by attaching a boulder to himself and jumping off a bridge.
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Antivehicular posted:I feel like the whole world of '90's-and-earlier "I have a stable 40-hour-a-week office job that pays a comfortable living wage, but I hate it so much! Meetings! Spreadsheets!!" humor curdled instantly after the mid-2000's recession, and the rise of the gig economy means it's probably dead for good, aside from maybe for the computer-toucher market. Sitting in boring meetings you're being paid for is loving aspirational now. This is just Maslow's hierarchy, right?. In a world with a thriving middle class and booming economy, people are going to yearn for jobs where they can feel personally fulfilled. In a world where more and more people are poor as poo poo, just making $60k feels like a dream.
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Almost like capitalism makes you feel alienated to your job and fellow workers despite the good pay.
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Oct 22, 2021 06:06
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Fish of hemp posted:despite the good pay. Lmao
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Oct 22, 2021 08:35
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oh that episode. i remember now. but drat, don't think i've seen that one since i was like 9
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jackofarcades posted:This is just Maslow's hierarchy, right?. In a world with a thriving middle class and booming economy, people are going to yearn for jobs where they can feel personally fulfilled. In a world where more and more people are poor as poo poo, just making $60k feels like a dream. Possibly the way technology has changed, too. There was a lot of complaining at the time about being trapped in a cubicle working on a computer with no real human interaction. Nowadays I'm on Discord complaining about a Teams meeting while texting a friend so I don't snap and scream at the meeting host on my webcam. There's plenty of soul-crushing office work, but it's not because we're slack-jawed robots staring at an inanimate screen.
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Maybe this is a brainlet take but doesn't most media age poorly from a moral/social stand point if you look at it decades down the line? Take Tom Sawyer. Very liberal for its time with a positive moral message, now it's racist. The original Star Trek was strongly pro civil rights, had the first inter racial kiss, but as someone in this thread pointed out it came out and said there were only two genders. Simpsons was bleeding heart liberal and the literal boogeyman for Dan Quayle (along with that sleazy minx Murphy Brown) and now people are mad at it for lack of diversity. I can guarantee the people in this thread would be called backwards bigots in 20 years when the next big issue comes up that we don't really deal with today. I get concepts like call waiting and expecting to survive and be happy working in America are terribly dated and make sense to discuss but judging morals of shows through a current lense and not the context of the time seems like shooting fish in a barrel
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rxcowboy posted:Maybe this is a brainlet take but doesn't most media age poorly from a moral/social stand point if you look at it decades down the line? if hating on headmates is wrong i don't want to be right
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Oct 23, 2021 02:00
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I mean Star trek was also horribly racist and sexist. Which most of the stars are willing to talk about
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean Star trek was also horribly racist and sexist. From our perspective yes, but at the time it was viewed as very liberal. I'm just saying perspectives change. Hell, forget Star Trek, look at To Kill a Mockingbird.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:12
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rxcowboy posted:From our perspective yes, but at the time it was viewed as very liberal. I'm just saying perspectives change. Hell, forget Star Trek, look at To Kill a Mockingbird. Like I said the people who stared in it and talked about feeling so at the time. Especially the sexism.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:15
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I mean, what are you trying to say here, that all media sucks and therefore we shouldn't talk about it???
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Oct 23, 2021 02:17
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packetmantis posted:I mean, what are you trying to say here, that all media sucks and therefore we shouldn't talk about it??? Not all all! I just think there's a difference in discussing the failed vision of the future in 2001, the death of the middle class shown in Home Alone or Falling down etc versus moral gotcha moments so people can feel enlightened. The gay jokes in 80s media didn't age poorly, they aged. Period. Thankfully people evolve and continue to evolve, we're probably going to age poorly by the standards of 2050.
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Racist and homophobic stuff was still bad in the 80's, it's not like there was no one criticizing or being hurt by it then. The aging poorly part is more of a reflection on how much mainstream values have changed to the point where it's mildly surprising to think that they were ever that different. Sure there are probably some injustices we participate in today that will be surprising to future generations, and maybe they will post in a PYF thread about it someday, but it doesn't mean we should be absolved of all responsibility just because we're "of our time".
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I didn't take rxcowboy to be saying that we should absolve those things. To me, it sounded more like they were saying it's fairly low-hanging fruit as far as thread content because it encompasses so much media of yesteryear.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:38
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Well, I can agree that a lot of people make posts on pyf that aren't really worth posting but i've accepted it by now
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I don't think that there have been many posts like that itt. No one is coming in talking about how Song of the South might be problematic.
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It’s important to note that people at the time knew the bad stuff was bad. Star Trek especially was notably sexist for that era—it was just also politically radical in other ways. That’s different than just saying “oh, that’s just the way people were.” Then as now, people know what’s right and others ignore or equivocate. It won’t be a surprise when 2050 calls us trash because we knew the whole time but some of us ignore it or make excuses.
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That's why it's so hilarious when movies show early America or Civil War era, and justify the hero owning slaves because he's a Good Master or pays them secretly or something insane like that. I mean, aside from everything else in the last season of Game of Thrones, did no one else loving laugh until they pissed themselves with the whole "we will elect our ruler from now on" bullshit they tacked on at the end?
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Cowslips Warren posted:That's why it's so hilarious when movies show early America or Civil War era, and justify the hero owning slaves because he's a Good Master or pays them secretly or something insane like that. That wasn't the worst part of the ending. It just ended up looking like "representative democracy" aka the electoral college*. And of course their first choice was a member of the aristocracy who was probably somewhere in line for the throne. Other than the whole not being able to have kids thing which was a nice fit because it would prevent an hereditary monarchy. *I was gonna put "from hell" but ours already is
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Heart if Darkness is often one of those books that gets this critique from time to time. Calling Conrad a racist for that book misses the entire point that he lived in a society that the accepted knowledge was those "tribals" were subhuman who's lives were worth less then a bullet, so the idea that maybe their lives had value was the equivalent of radical socialism at the time. Tons of the highly visible anti-slavery activists at the time were big on eliminating slavery and treating Africans better but not on the whole "treat them as equals". When people want to get into attacking past examples as problematic in modern times it muddles the message and calls into question if the person expressing their opinion actually cares about the issue. The Last Duel was getting slagged online as "toxic masculinity" because the story is about a 14th century rape case where the victim's wife challenged her rapist to a duel to the death. That completely blows past the historical context to apply a modern values judgement on people to condemn their behavior for what is meaningless social media cred.
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With a contemporary film, there’s always the question of why they’re choosing to interpret the past, and of what method they’re using. It’s more valid to ask about toxic masculinity and hollywood than it is to ask that question about medieval France.
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There have been elective monarchies in history (notably the Holy Roman Empire). The problem is the way the show frames it as a great step forward rather than a practical compromise.
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Oct 23, 2021 09:11
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Yeah if they had played the climactic scene more like cynical horse trading it would be more effective- as written and acted it's more like everyone knows they're enacting A Momentous Occasion and it's just deathly dull. Like if you've ever seen Lincoln, the Spielberg movie, it's a genuinely entertaining look at how something like the end of slavery was accomplished through the ugly, rough business of politics (and all this AFTER the Civil War.)
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Doctor Spaceman posted:There have been elective monarchies in history (notably the Holy Roman Empire). The problem is the way the show frames it as a great step forward rather than a practical compromise. To be fair the actual elective part didnt actually happen that much. Once the Hapsburgs became a thing only one other dynasty one the vote (for like 2 years) in 400 years
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Oct 23, 2021 09:25
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Should have been an elective monarchy like the Poland-Lithuania commonwealth. Just have everyone who can even pretend to claim noble blood stand in a field, then yell who your choice of King and Grand Duke is. That's how you end up with a nation where the candidates came from basically every dynasty, regardless of if they had even been to Poland in their life.
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They actual preferred foreigners as they had no native support so the local nobility could basically ignore them
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Oct 23, 2021 09:56
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair the actual elective part didnt actually happen that much. Once the Hapsburgs became a thing only one other dynasty one the vote (for like 2 years) in 400 years There's a difference between dynasties and individuals. Elections may have always given the crown to a Hapsburg, but having elections were how you figured out which Hapsburg got the crown. As opposed to most forms of inheritance where all that matters is who was born in what order.
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I mean it was usually the child of the former emperor. Unless there was no child or it’s a girl then they get married and that guy becomes emperor. Which exactly how most monarchies work
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