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Dongsturm posted:
he's 100% nazi. the statistics he starts quoting here are from a book called "The Bell Curve" a book funded by "The Pioneer Fund" which is a front for nazi racial science. i wrote a whole paper on this connection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYqN0iGGjw
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Oct 22, 2021 12:55
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I didn't realise he was an actual Nazi bootlicker. I thought he was just a common, garden variety chud.
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Geisladisk posted:He probably isn't an outright nazi but he sure believes most of the same poo poo as they do, and outright nazis sure seem to like him a lot for some reason. he is a nazi. any doubt you have is deliberately cultivated by him to spread nazi ideas better
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Oct 22, 2021 12:57
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He’s mistakenly referenced “the fourth reich” when talking about World War II as well. It’s important to keep hold of the idea that there’s overlap between fascists and conservatives and the fine points of his doctrine don’t matter as much as what he encourages and allows, which is all that nazis want from him regardless of whether he refuses fascism because he thinks democracy works when restricted to property-owning men or whether he objects to genocide specifically but is fine with unregulated capitalism that has the same effect. He’s like Stephen Pinker, who isn’t a fascist doctrinally, but that doesn’t make any practical difference because his panglossian liberalism and scientific racism feed fascists regardless.
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Oct 22, 2021 13:04
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I don’t think you have to be aware that you’re a cryptofascist in order to be one. That’s where the whole “crypto-“ bit comes in.
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Oct 22, 2021 13:20
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"I don't necessarily believe in Nazism, but I act as if it were true" ~ Jordan Peterson
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Oct 22, 2021 13:22
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In one of his lectures he did a speech about how "if you were in Germany in the 1930s, you probably would have been a Nazi". I thought he was just doing some edgy piece to be Maybe the message he wanted to get across was "imagine being a Nazi. it's not so bad when you think about it" Dongsturm fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 15:11
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I believe Jorp’s ideology is what is commonly referred to as cryptofascism, and he is one of many “garden variety chuds” who is too stupid to realize that what he’s serving is just reheated nazi ideology. Jorp is always very reluctant to definitively offer solutions, but is very certain about the problems. He leads people through the process where he identified all the problems of society (and especially his target audience's unfulfilled lives) as being due to leftists, post-modernists and cultural Marxists sinisterly working at disturbing the correct and immutable hierarchies and corrupting natural social roles. And he also goes on at length about how order has to be imposed and maintained on the weak and chaotic by the strong, and how societies have to impose narrow norms on their members to remain stable and blah-blah-blah. Of course there's a political philosophy out there that's very big on imposing order, letting thestrong dominate the weak, enforcing natural norms and purifying society from corrupting external influences. Jorp's very careful to not say what politics his take on society leads to. But he's very useful for priming people to be receptive to those that offer the obvious answers to the problems that JP poses.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:27
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Rutibex posted:he's 100% nazi. the statistics he starts quoting here are from a book called "The Bell Curve" a book funded by "The Pioneer Fund" which is a front for nazi racial science. i wrote a whole paper on this connection Do you think you would like to share the paper? I’ve been wondering about that Bell Curve book and would be interested in more background. I mean, isn’t the main point basically “black people = low IQ.” I tried to search for academic criticisms of the book, but found it surprisingly difficult to find anything. That was a while ago, though, so maybe there is more now?
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Oct 22, 2021 18:14
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Rutibex posted:he's 100% nazi. the statistics he starts quoting here are from a book called "The Bell Curve" a book funded by "The Pioneer Fund" which is a front for nazi racial science. i wrote a whole paper on this connection Don't think of it as "the Jewish problem", think of it as "the Jewish opportunity."
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Oct 22, 2021 18:17
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Tac Dibar posted:Do you think you would like to share the paper? I’ve been wondering about that Bell Curve book and would be interested in more background. I mean, isn’t the main point basically “black people = low IQ.” I tried to search for academic criticisms of the book, but found it surprisingly difficult to find anything. That was a while ago, though, so maybe there is more now? sure, though its not just about JP its about crypto-fascist literature in canadian libraries. its kind of inside-baseball for librarians  https://www.mediafire.com/file/oxhs...tRight.pdf/file if you want a take-down of The Bell Curve this video is good. i think this guy is a goon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo Rutibex fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 18:36
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Fortran Peterson
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Oct 22, 2021 18:39
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Rutibex posted:if you want a take-down of The Bell Curve this video is good. i think this guy is a goon I don't know if he really posts anymore, but as I recall, Shaun was a goon at one point. And I'll second the video. It's long, but well worth it as there's so much poo poo in The Bell Curve that it deserves a proper tear-down.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:47
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Tac Dibar posted:Do you think you would like to share the paper? I’ve been wondering about that Bell Curve book and would be interested in more background. I mean, isn’t the main point basically “black people = low IQ.” I tried to search for academic criticisms of the book, but found it surprisingly difficult to find anything. That was a while ago, though, so maybe there is more now? You might try looking for reviews from the time at which it was published. Everyone has known was it was from the moment it first came out. Steven Jay Gould wrote a book-length criticism of scientific racism that came out several years before The Bell Curve that perfectly refutes its premise because The Bell Curve was never intended to be anything but an excuse and an alibi for specific policy decisions.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:51
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Does jorp know that people call him jorp? Has he gotten mad at it?
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Oct 22, 2021 19:54
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Fortran Peterson Foreskin Meaterson
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Oct 22, 2021 21:03
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I know this is from a month ago, but Mozart and the like are painfully straightforward compared to modern classical. Time changes, key changes, difficult melodies and harmonies, etc, they're all more complicated and sophisticated than this lady realizes. Modern stuff sometimes sounds more simple, but modern composers are (naturally) more sophisticated than their predecessors. I know jack about music theory, but I do enjoy classical music. Meanwhile, a friend of mine who plays cello, taught himself electric bass and basically thinks in music theory is one of those types that loves Shostakovich's weirdest stuff, is cool with Beethoven, and pretty much hates Mozart. Or at least is bored by Mozart. He explained it as Mozart's music being really clean and relying on a set bag of tricks -- albeit he performs those tricks really well. A few weeks ago I was wikisurfing and stumbled on the Second Viennese School and I have no idea what's going on. But the takeaway I got is that classical music since the early 20th certainly isn't lazy or derivative.
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Oct 23, 2021 19:47
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Rutibex posted:he's 100% nazi. the statistics he starts quoting here are from a book called "The Bell Curve" a book funded by "The Pioneer Fund" which is a front for nazi racial science. i wrote a whole paper on this connection I'm sure I don't understand enough about racial politics and ideologies, but didn't jorp just say "Jewish people are smart we should have them around"? The guy who was asking about The Jewish Question is probably fuckin Nazi as hell, and maybe that jorp has thought about it so much is pretty weird along with reading Nazi literature, but how is saying Jewish people are smart akin to being a Nazi?
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Oct 23, 2021 23:02
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Antisemitism is never about disparaging their intellect. Nazis never said Jews were dumb. In fact, they thought they were so diabolically clever they've ceased control of almost all aspects of society and are on the verge of enslaving us. Dumb people certainly couldn't do that.
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Oct 23, 2021 23:32
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Geisladisk posted:Antisemitism is never about disparaging their intellect. yeah which makes it all the more hilarious that jorp argued that nazis/white supremacists DON'T like the idea of racial IQ because then they would have to accept that jews have higher IQs than white people
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Oct 23, 2021 23:55
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Yeah still don't see how that equates to being a Nazi, especially when he came to the exact opposite conclusion of Nazis. Isn't there enough material to hate about this guy without going all-in on rhetoric? Claims like that sound like fear-mongering, which is ironically very pro-Jorp.
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Oct 24, 2021 00:31
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i mean...i don't think anyone's arguing he's a literal nazi, like the kind that wants to murder all the jews and such but he definitely thinks that white people should be at the top of the hierarchy, though he'd argue not cause of race, but because of poo poo like 'kwompetence'
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Oct 24, 2021 00:37
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Mr Interweb posted:i mean...i don't think anyone's arguing he's a literal nazi, like the kind that wants to murder all the jews and such i agree with this Rutibex posted:he's 100% nazi. Rutibex posted:he is a nazi. any doubt you have is deliberately cultivated by him to spread nazi ideas better i don't agree with this
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Oct 24, 2021 00:40
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:Yeah still don't see how that equates to being a Nazi, especially when he came to the exact opposite conclusion of Nazis. Geisladisk posted:Antisemitism is never about disparaging their intellect.
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Oct 24, 2021 01:05
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:I know jack about music theory, but I do enjoy classical music. Meanwhile, a friend of mine who plays cello, taught himself electric bass and basically thinks in music theory is one of those types that loves Shostakovich's weirdest stuff, is cool with Beethoven, and pretty much hates Mozart. Or at least is bored by Mozart. He explained it as Mozart's music being really clean and relying on a set bag of tricks -- albeit he performs those tricks really well. I played the bass in orchestra, and it's one of the instruments that really demonstrates how music has improved and evolved. The instrument itself wasn't really invented/adapted until the early 1900's, and it took a while for classical composters to appreciate it for anything besides keeping rhythm. (I hated Pachobel's "Canon" so much, it's literally just eight quarter notes repeated for the entire song.) Or to write the bass part as more than just a simplified version of the cello part, minus any solos. I'm not an expert either, but I think that jazz musicians were the first to really play the bass and appreciate it. Horror of horrors, black musicians playing modern music were more sophisticated than Bach! The evolution of musical instruments is really interesting. Instruments are adapted to fit the players' needs, and the musicians change how they play to adapt to the new instruments, so there's a constant and mutual evolution going on. It's also a little bit of a surprise to see how modern a lot of instruments actually are. The viola (I own one to teach myself and never got around to it (don't judge me)) didn't get "standardized" until like the 1920's, and even then, it's not really as such as other instruments. (The viola has a wild history that endures as a legacy of jokes about how bad violists are, it's really convoluted and kind of insane, although I don't know how common the jokes are now.) This is crap that an "academic" should know before publishing a paper comparing modern and classical music, but racist nitwits gotta do their thing I guess. Powerful Katrinka fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 01:35
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My god, that The Bell Curve video is insane. The very presuppositions/"definitions" the book makes are so hilariously wrong that only people who think the conclusions are true are those who believe the conclusion to begin with. So much is hinged on the "60% of intelligence is genetically hereditary" being a given fact. Edit: Is there a fancy fallacy name when the base of an argument is assumed even though it is never proved? Like, in the "if A then B" form but A has no proof behind it? edgeman83 fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 05:23
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It’s not meant to be read: it’s meant to be a prop waved around by people who already believe its conclusions.
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Powerful Katrinka posted:
My Youtube/online reading obsession this week has been why Stradivari violins are deemed the best. And there's a distinct division in how these articles present it. There are the nuanced articles that like to mention that violins of Stradivari's time had a shorter neck, shorter fingerboard and were mostly meant for small venues. But as concert halls got bigger and orchestras larger, more powerful instruments were preferred, and Strads happened to project really well. Which means they got priority and the best luthiers to tend to them and the best players to keep them in the limelight. It also means that every surviving Strad we have has been messed with since to adapt to contemporary needs (basically, post-1820). Essentially, there is no perfect Strad. And this poo poo is fascinating. Meanwhile, the other type of video/article will warble on about monetary value and how they are the "best" and "perfect sound" and then mention money again and how Stradivari was essentially the greatest and no one can touch him and don't ask why. Something something magic varnish probably. Jorpers are very much of that latter mentality.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:My Youtube/online reading obsession this week has been why Stradivari violins are deemed the best. And there's a distinct division in how these articles present it. This is basically a lot of modern political/philosophical 'debate' in a nutshell; whether or know they acknowledge material conditions and cause and effect.
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Oct 24, 2021 06:21
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:i agree with this It's not just the fact he talks about Jewish IQ. he got those IQ numbers from a Nazi book funded by Nazis. I mentioned that in my first post you think JP is too stupid to figure out these connection when people tell him constantly? he is a deliberate lier
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Oct 24, 2021 07:11
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:i agree with this There’s a whole array of fascist belief from the Richards Spencer who wear literal nazi regalia in public until they get clotheslined by antifa and then just scream about how non-whites are literal animals in their safe spaces, to the Donalds Trump who are dumb as pigshit and emulate Mussolini entirely on animal instinct. We can disagree on where exactly on that spectrum the line between “nazi” and “not a nazi but builds their worldview on nazi poo poo and platforms actual nazis,” but I frankly think that’s a pointless diversion. Jorp exists in that space and that’s what matters in the end.
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I'm a bit late, but when reading over all of the stuff about people listening to classical music purely to be snobs I can't help but think of this tweet https://twitter.com/dril/status/831762334649552899?lang=en
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:My Youtube/online reading obsession this week has been why Stradivari violins are deemed the best. The funny thing is, Stradivarius violins aren't that amazing. They're good: the Stradivari family made high-quality instruments with good materials, and did those changes in the dimensions that you mentioned, which made them better than their contemporaries. But you can get the same sound out of a modern high-quality violin, and literally almost no one on earth can tell the difference between the two. Blind tests have been done repeatedly, and generally the only people who can distinguish the Strad from the modern, are the violinists playing the drat things. Supposedly, although I can believe that a musician would know their personal instrument intimately enough to recognize its voice from another. A lot of modern top-notch violinists don't even like to play Strads very much, except for the novelty and prestige. Being loaned or given a Strad is a symbol of your standing as a violinist, that you're one of the best of the best. And that you can be trusted with an expensive antique. Day-to-day, though, they'll stick with their modern high-quality, also expensive, very insured violins that sound just as good. Strads are almost white elephants. So, yeah, more cargo cult nonsense from people who don't know anything, but sure want everyone to think they do.
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Yo their axes were sick check out these juicy riffs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGKan6eX5ug
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Powerful Katrinka posted:The funny thing is, Stradivarius violins aren't that amazing. They're good: the Stradivari family made high-quality instruments with good materials, and did those changes in the dimensions that you mentioned, which made them better than their contemporaries. But you can get the same sound out of a modern high-quality violin, and literally almost no one on earth can tell the difference between the two. Blind tests have been done repeatedly, and generally the only people who can distinguish the Strad from the modern, are the violinists playing the drat things. Supposedly, although I can believe that a musician would know their personal instrument intimately enough to recognize its voice from another. Also an idea that things can be just inherently better based on conveniently immaterial, undefinable traits, that boil down to 'because people say they are'. Convenient, eh?
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Oct 24, 2021 17:03
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Oct 24, 2021 23:30
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Yeah Brazil totally listened to Greta Thunberg.
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Oct 24, 2021 23:31
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Wow, every statement in that picture isnt even them being ignorant of the truth, it's literally them lying about it Cool and good
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Oct 25, 2021 02:16
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Kind of unrelated, but I'm not sure what they mean by "modern classical music" Like, one of my favorite pieces of music is Rhapsody In Blue by George Gershwin. It's Art Deco given sound. Is that modern classical? I'm guessing jorp would complain because of the jazz influence.
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vortmax posted:Kind of unrelated, but I'm not sure what they mean by "modern classical music" i think its means orchestral music. really they shouldn't be calling it classical they should call it Renaissance Music. this is classical music  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hOK7bU0S1Y
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vortmax posted:Kind of unrelated, but I'm not sure what they mean by "modern classical music" I like Phillip Glass and Nils Frahm
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