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christmas boots posted:All true, but we also understand that motorcycles are fundamentally not weapons so we don't really need those descriptors. Like we understand that people aren't supposed to be hit by cars. Guns are typically used for killing things so "prop" is used as--admittedly misleading for the reasons you've noted--shorthand for "this gun wasn't supposed to work like that", immediately framing it as an accident in a way that "Alec Baldwin shoots two people with a gun" wouldn't so much. You know a headline that also conveys that? "Alec Baldwin accidentally shoots two coworkers with gun, killing one." If they're going to go with headlines that distorts the truth they should at least have fun with it. "Alec Baldwin gifts coworker a free helicopter ride and it knocked her dead."
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Why was the prop gun loaded with live rounds? Who did that? Sounds like a murder mystery plot even though it’s probably is just breathtaking stupidity It’s not a “prop” gun it’s a real gun. Headlines keep referring to it as a prop. Real guns are very common in movies but for the past 30 years or so everyone’s done a good job being safe with them
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StrangersInTheNight posted:i am willing to bet the folks complaining about CGI vs practical muzzle flashes can only tell the difference in egregious circumstances, and the majority of CGI muzzle flashes don't even register to you or in fact may even look more passable even if it's exaggerated bc movies aren't real life and people have certain expectations of how movie guns look that differ from reality, same as how how guns needs to make large BCHAOOWWW BANG BANG BLOOW noises to be considered 'real' guns in movies even tho we all knows guns IRL just make lil' pop-pop noises at best Uhhhhh guns are pretty pretty dang loud buddy. Like it’s not a good idea to even shoot a 22 without ear protection, and I always double up on it if I’m shooting something bigger I can’t tell if you’ve either never fired a gun, or you shoot so much that you’re just deaf now
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Ziv Zulander posted:Uhhhhh guns are pretty pretty dang loud buddy. Like it’s not a good idea to even shoot a 22 without ear protection, and I always double up on it if I’m shooting something bigger always remember your ears people
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Why was the prop gun loaded with live rounds? Who did that? Sounds like a murder mystery plot even though it’s probably is just breathtaking stupidity Yeah, I don’t get why live rounds are even allowed to be in a 1 mile radius of the loving set. do they go hunt pheasants on their lunch break? Why are these bullets there ?
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Ziv Zulander posted:Uhhhhh guns are pretty pretty dang loud buddy. Like it’s not a good idea to even shoot a 22 without ear protection, and I always double up on it if I’m shooting something bigger What’s dumb in movies is how guns make a noise when people draw them.
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Bags Fly at Noon posted:What’s dumb in movies is how guns make a noise when people draw them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE4-lCTPTtI
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mrfart posted:Yeah, I don’t get why live rounds are even allowed to be in a 1 mile radius of the loving set. that poo poo should never ever have a live round in it and should be kept disassembled until they are shooting it and then immediately disassembled when they are done
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mrfart posted:Yeah, I don’t get why live rounds are even allowed to be in a 1 mile radius of the loving set. clearly they just hired a local gun nut. my question is was this particular gun so cool that he had to borrow it from work or is he too poor to afford his own guns
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six people died making that scene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)#Massacre
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Budzilla posted:Michael Mann's commentary for that scene was really interesting in relation to the audio. It is still an amazing scene and it makes me greatful we now have large HD TVs to park our asses in front of. The on-set sounds in Heat are so good compared to gunfights in other movies because they're able to record all the echoes off of the surrounding architecture, and it's mixed to be incredibly loud compared to everything else. I don't know what that one guy is on about, gunshots are loud as hell. They just sound more like a pop and crack rather than the explosion that most other films use, but you should still be able to feel it in your bones if you have a good sound system.
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The answer to "why did all this dumb poo poo happen" is because the producer of the film was mad that the union crewmembers were demanding things like a safe environment and to be paid, so they sent all of the union members home and replaced them with local scabs who didn't care about safety regulations on short notice.Coxswain Balls posted:The on-set sounds in Heat are so good compared to gunfights in other movies because they're able to record all the echoes off of the surrounding architecture, and it's mixed to be incredibly loud compared to everything else. I don't know what that one guy is on about, gunshots are loud as hell. They just sound more like a pop and crack rather than the explosion that most other films use, but you should still be able to feel it in your bones if you have a good sound system. A lot of people these days equate "cellphone video" with "real" and so they see a cellphone video of a shooting and they hear the cop's gun go "pip pip" and go "oh so THAT'S what gunshots sound like when it's not in the movies" without realizing that cellphones have shitawful mics deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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ABC, Always Blast the Cameraperson ALWAYS. Blast the cameraperson.
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mrfart posted:Yeah, I don’t get why live rounds are even allowed to be in a 1 mile radius of the loving set. Live doesn’t mean “real bullet” it means “will explode.” Blanks are live
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Oh boy SNL is gonna be awkward next week I'm gonna tell ya
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mind the walrus posted:Oh boy SNL is gonna be awkward next week I'm gonna tell ya He's going to come out dressed as Trump and say "I told you I could shoot someone"
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Bags Fly at Noon posted:What’s dumb in movies is how guns make a noise when people draw them. Actually, it is really cool. The wooshing noises whenever Preston aims a gun are the best part of Equilibrium.
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I like how in movies swords always make sounds. Like they’re always vibrating.
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punishedkissinger posted:six people died making that scene quote:Despite the film's box office – over $400 million against a budget of no more than $48 million – Warner Bros. claimed it ended up losing $35.8 million and "not likely to ever show a profit," which has been attributed to a case of Hollywood accounting.[84]
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Paramount tried to claim Forest Gump lost money and the writer of the novel's sequel told them to go gently caress themselves when they wanted to start filming a sequel. Hollywood is pure scum.
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Gutcruncher posted:It’s not a “prop” gun it’s a real gun. Headlines keep referring to it as a prop. Real guns are very common in movies but for the past 30 years or so everyone’s done a good job being safe with them It’s a prop gun because it’s used as a prop whether it’s real or plastic is irrelevant. As a theatre kid I know that rule one of props is they aren’t toys and you don’t touch a prop that isn’t yours and before you need it even it’s a loving plastic orange instead of a gun. An underfunded Kentucky high school has better prop rules than a major Hollywood production apparently
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Coxswain Balls posted:Nah, Heat owns because all the sound from the big setpiece scene was the audio from the shoot, which they decided not to record over in post because it sounded awesome as hell as is while also looking kickass. It woulda sucked if it was done with CGI. The shootout at the end of Miami Vice was interesting too, there's a few instances where they were shooting live ammo at stuff and then CGing in the people getting blasted/blood.
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If you want live ammo, watch Come and See, where they're firing live rounds over some poor 13 year olds head while he ducks in a trench and they're blowing up trees with real artillery and poo poo.
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Caesar Saladin posted:If you want live ammo, watch Come and See, where they're firing live rounds over some poor 13 year olds head while he ducks in a trench and they're blowing up trees with real artillery and poo poo. Don't watch it if you want to sleep within the next week though.
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Caesar Saladin posted:If you want live ammo, watch Come and See, where they're firing live rounds over some poor 13 year olds head while he ducks in a trench and they're blowing up trees with real artillery and poo poo. You left out that they machine gunned a cow for that film.
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Hannibal Rex posted:You left out that they machine gunned a cow for that film. Was it a prop cow, a real cow or a live cow?
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Not all props are guns but all guns are props
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Chris Pistols posted:Was it a prop cow, a real cow or a live cow? It was a cinemootographer
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Stanley Tucheetos posted:Don't watch it if you want to sleep within the next week though.
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punishedkissinger posted:six people died making that scene I read for the first time from this article that they originally planned to finish the movie with the Joker killing Vicki Vale (portrayed by Alec Baldwin's former wife Kim Basinger) sending Batman into some kind of rage. Jesus, that would have been loving dark even for Burton
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quote:The gun was one of three that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the building where a scene was being acted, according to the records. Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/national/story/2021-10-22/baldwin-was-told-gun-was-cold-before-movie-set-shooting
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Lolie posted:We do know that there had been problems with the gun, which invites the question of why it wasn't replaced. I don't think there was anything mechanically wrong with the gun. The problem was with the people handling it.
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Lolie posted:
And they wonder why they only make 80 cents to the dollar that men do.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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