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Feel like there's room for a heartwarming British comedy starring idk Toby Jones about a gang of brinks mat style hijackers from the 70s and 80s who have to drive lorries to save Christmas. Maybe a funny scene where they have to get used to modern lorry driving techniques or a computer. Maybe they're even older and haven't read a newspaper since they went in prison so they've never seen a motorway and there are antics
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jaete posted:But hey, maybe electric cars will save everything 50 years from now. They'll need to immolate drivers at a much faster rate to make an impact on climate change.
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jaete posted:This whole post reads as ridiculously optimistic to me. I mean, to take just one country as an example, in India alone there are more than a billion people who will literally be able to no longer live where they are a few years from now, due to climate change loving up the environment completely. I think the key words here are ‘reads’ and ‘seems’ they are descriptions of your mental state, the situation that exists inside your head. This is a topic on which you, like anyone, are a world expert. And so you are no doubt entirely correct about how you feel. It’s just that that meant that causes you to read a objectively utopinly optimistic report, with a step by step plan for what needs to be done, as a declaration of doom. But the world of climate and politics exists outside your head; the fact that you are sad does not imply anything about how things will turn out.. They may indeed be bad, but the best case for the future is still clearly above the present. The future is a football match that hasn’t been played yet, it is certainly possible that we will lose 6:0, but that is not baked in.
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OTOH, and I don't mean to be rude, Radmonger, but you seem to be consistently wrong about everything you post about ITT.
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I'm resigned to the worst case scenario because the world is controlled by worst sorts of people who won't stop their gravy train. Why would they? It's not in their interests. The world has only taken the most miniscule attempts at reversing climate change, and the onus seems to always be on gaslighting the public into burdening the blame while continuing to allow the corporations to pollute and have an easy ride. We are regularly seeing capital cities around the world flood now, and that still hasn't panicked governments into taking swift action. We are 30-40 years too late already. I don't dwell too much on this poo poo, because it's depressing, and my coping mechanism is to carpe diem each day whilst taking a load of cannabis, but at least I'm a realist about it all. Pretending that everything is going to be ok is also a coping mechanism, and I get why some people go down that path... but for me, believing in something only to have that hope destroyed is the worst case scenario for my mental health.
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Also exactly what proportion of prisoners does he think have a HGV licence? Never mind running off with the lorry, they'll just plough into the nearest Tesco Express.
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I like how prisoners have become this limitless supply of theoretical labour. Crops rotting in the fields? Prisoners! Hgv driver shortage? Prisoners! Can't wait for it to be the solution to the shortage of care home staff lol.
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We are just one shite Christmas from reinstating slavery.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I like how prisoners have become this limitless supply of theoretical labour. Crops rotting in the fields? Prisoners! Hgv driver shortage? Prisoners! Can't wait for it to be the solution to the shortage of care home staff lol. Recruitment for prisoners is much cheaper, quicker and more flexible than for the army, and prison labour has way more opportunity to enrich Serco et. al. than using squaddies.
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jaete posted:This whole post reads as ridiculously optimistic to me. I mean, to take just one country as an example, in India alone there are more than a billion people who will literally be able to no longer live where they are a few years from now, due to climate change loving up the environment completely. yeah see this thread did the 'hope is a lie' poo poo before cspam blackpilled itself what a ridiculous mindset, where even if you're right all you've done is made yourself miserable, depressed and demotivated during the calm times i've suffered from depression since i was a teenager and unfortunately it's made me really unsympathetic to people choosing to wallow in this poo poo
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Pistol_Pete posted:I like how prisoners have become this limitless supply of theoretical labour. Crops rotting in the fields? Prisoners! Hgv driver shortage? Prisoners! Can't wait for it to be the solution to the shortage of care home staff lol. "I heard there's a childcare shortage?"...  ... and if Patel has her way, there will in fact be a limitless supply of prisoners. edit: Raab: Ex-cons will be trained to pull pints to help hospitality 'thrive' this Christmas quote:The new scheme will take place across several prisons, encouraging "vetted and appropriate ex-offenders" to play their part. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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I think we'll get the worst case scenarios but also survive for a far longer time than the doomers seem to think. Society and all the things that wind you up are still gonna be chugging for a long time through some absolute poo poo. There's a certain brand of doomer optimism where depressed folk are like "well at least everyone is dying with me" which I think is just wishful thinking. We've been through multiple climate disasters going back hundreds of thousands of years to when there were only thousands of us. Historically, the one factor that actually stops a species going extinct is large numbers when the mass extinction starts and there's loads of us. We're also generalists which helps a lot. One thing we do know from human history is we are gonna continue to get real weird with it. I'm sad I won't get to see all of it but these are some enjoyably insane times themselves if you can take a breath to appreciate them from time to time in between being exasperated at them. Even in some kind of blasted hell scape there will still be people falling in love, fighting each other, making friends, going insane over trivial bullshit, the works. Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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the sex ghost posted:Feel like there's room for a heartwarming British comedy starring idk Toby Jones about a gang of brinks mat style hijackers from the 70s and 80s who have to drive lorries to save Christmas. Maybe a funny scene where they have to get used to modern lorry driving techniques or a computer. Maybe they're even older and haven't read a newspaper since they went in prison so they've never seen a motorway and there are antics Remake of The Italian Job, renamed 'The Brexit Job'. All ex-con gammons, trying to steal a shipment of turkeys and drive them to cockney london so their ole mums can celebrate sovereignty. Ending up on a teetering on cliff edge, pallet of Bernard Matthews on one end, them on the other. One lets out a slow fart, and it slowly starts to topple over the edge. Fin.
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is there some kind of secret free port then where an enterprising cargo stealer can fence a hijacked trailer full of gardeners compost or whatever
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think we'll get the worst case scenarios but also survive for a far longer time than the doomers seem to think. That's very much dependant on location, health and wealth. People trapped in other parts of the world aren't able to be as optimistic as you.
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Bloody Prisoners, coming out of jail, taking our jobs etc
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kecske posted:is there some kind of secret free port then where an enterprising cargo stealer can fence a hijacked trailer full of gardeners compost or whatever Free ports are on the cards, so probably yes!
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Jakabite posted:Chisinau is in Moldova. Decent enough place. It has 24 hour bars that also do food all night which is VERY dangerous I heard Chisinau was one of the shittest capital cities in Europe but I have absolutely no way of verifying this and the guy might just have been being an rear end about it
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feedmegin posted:Also exactly what proportion of prisoners does he think have a HGV licence? Never mind running off with the lorry, they'll just plough into the nearest Tesco Express. Yet again, people are going to be killed by the decisions of a Tory minister who will face absolutely zero consequences as a result.
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A wise man once said that you can’t solve a problem with the same mindset that created it (and that mans name was Albert Einstein) Personally holding out that reincarnation gets empirically proven, I think even the rich would be less inclined to cause a mess if they realised they’d be coming back to live in it. As a rat, perhaps
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think we'll get the worst case scenarios but also survive for a far longer time than the doomers seem to think. It'll be fine for healthy, able bodied people, but god help you if you fall through the cracks, or the government decides what you do for fun or as a compulsion is suddenly illegal, or if you get injured by the new working conditions and are no longer able to be a productive member of society. So no, I find it hard to be optimistic that 'we' will survive the worst-case scenarios that are coming.
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You know what what I'll say it. If the government wants to provide training and a job with a decent wage to non-violent offenders that's... a good thing? Of course that's not what I'll will be in practice. loving chain gang farm labour probably.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It'll be fine for healthy, able bodied people, but god help you if you fall through the cracks, or the government decides what you do for fun or as a compulsion is suddenly illegal, or if you get injured by the new working conditions and are no longer able to be a productive member of society. And this is different from the status quo how
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And this is different from the status quo how
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Pistol_Pete posted:I like how prisoners have become this limitless supply of theoretical labour. Crops rotting in the fields? Prisoners! Hgv driver shortage? Prisoners! Can't wait for it to be the solution to the shortage of care home staff lol.
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feedmegin posted:Also exactly what proportion of prisoners does he think have a HGV licence? Never mind running off with the lorry, they'll just plough into the nearest Tesco Express. And like so many Conservative policies, there's the germ of a decent idea that they've managed to warp by their need to punish people who they deem to have transgressed. If there's a long term, systemic shortage of HGV drivers, giving people in prison the opportunity to do the training and get the license could be genuinely rehabilitative. There's a reason why so many people in the forces get their ticket while they're in - not only is it encouraged by the MoD because it's obviously useful to them, but it's a useful skill to have in your back pocket for civvy life. But presumably Rabb isn't talking about spending money and time to give prisoners useful and in-demand skills that will improve their prospects and let them earn a wage once they're out. He just sees it as a free labour pool that the state already has sway over to solve the immediate short term problem, because prisoners are bad people who shouldn't be helped. You can tell they're bad because they're in prison. And they're in prison because they're bad.
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I personally get irked by people saying "We'll be ok" and "We'll survive this", because most of those people say things like that from the perspective of good health, meaning they have the ability to work, fight or flee. Not everyone is so lucky. As a weak cripple who is 100% reliant on state welfare, and someone who has already watched over 120,000 of their fellow compatriots socially murdered by the state with many more socially murdered by incompetent Covid policies, I can't be so positive. The world isn't going to make any meaningful attempts to reverse climate change while old men can become insanely rich by burning fossil fuels and destroy our world's resources. As the world burns, it will be a case of the fittest, wealthiest and luckiest surviving. I don't see this point of view as being doomsaying, but realistic, and based on reality. False hope is as toxic as any of the new-age wellness bollocks, and it nearly destroyed me after the 2019 election after people in this very thread told me to have hope.... fuctifino fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It depends if you see yourself as part of 'we' in that statement. Same as all the people in this thread that advocate for the collapse of society because 'we' can simply launch a revolution. I just mean we as in humanity and organised society, who knows what's in store for anyone personally. Certainly nothing good if you're on the margins and the margins are being widened anyway Vulnerable people have been being trampled on certainly for my whole life with or without climate change
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Pistol_Pete posted:Thing is, there's not *that* many prisoners in the 1st place. It's just so dumb. Do you honestly think that this is the most difficult problem for a Tory government to resolve?
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Darth Walrus posted:Do you honestly think that this is the most difficult problem for a Tory government to resolve? They are already building the camps. They just now need to fill them.  You can understand why the UK government hasn't been that critical about China. I guess we've been taking notes.
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They could just start recruiting all those asylum seekers and refugees. Give them all Tier 2 working visas.
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Z the IVth posted:They could just start recruiting all those asylum seekers and refugees. Give them all Tier 2 working visas. Service[1] Guarantees[2] Citizenship[3]! [1] "Apprentice" contracts at £2/hr [2] If you complete the minimum required amount of hours (8000 in two years) [3] Offer void if you get so much as a parking ticket or the Tories are lagging in the polls and need to throw out some darkies to mollify the gammons
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BalloonFish posted:There's a reason why so many people in the forces get their ticket while they're in - not only is it encouraged by the MoD because it's obviously useful to them, but it's a useful skill to have in your back pocket for civvy life. Even after national service finished most of the van drivers for the GPO, gas board, water board, mines and quarries, and other sectors that needed a LGV/HGV fleet would be trained in some way down at the local army base, in the same way that a huge number of the first crop of commercial pilots either were or got trained by RAF crew and instructors. That doesn't fit in with the narrative that it should be about idle youths being screamed at Full Metal Jacket style until they stiffen their upper lips and turn into a Ford Transit or whatever the current Express reader fantasy is though.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:In that some people are advocating for this situation to worsen. The situation is already worsening. The things you are scared of happening if change happens because change is scary are already happening.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The situation is already worsening. The things you are scared of happening if change happens because change is scary are already happening.
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smellmycheese posted:Bloody Prisoners, coming out of jail, taking our jobs etc And they'll all be forriners you know, bunch of criminals them forriners.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Service[1] Guarantees[2] Citizenship[3]! My joke was that the Tier 2 visas are entirely at the whim of the employer so they could be withdrawn and deported at will.
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Z the IVth posted:My joke was that the Tier 2 visas are entirely at the whim of the employer so they could be withdrawn and deported at will. Yeah, I was trying to expand on that (and point out that we're explicitly not guaranteeing citizenship to any of the workers we've suddenly realised we really desperately need).
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