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Caesar Saladin posted:If you want live ammo, watch Come and See, where they're firing live rounds over some poor 13 year olds head while he ducks in a trench and they're blowing up trees with real artillery and poo poo. That movie is great in showing just how brutal the Nazis were to the ordinary Soviet people, and how brutal the Soviets were when they fought back. I've seen people say "Baldwin should have been able to tell the gun is loaded" because they're all high level former SpecOps that can tell just by feel how many rounds are in a gun, right? That it was somehow his fault, while it seems like it was the armorers fault, because why were live rounds left in a gun that was on an active set?
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Personally I would simply not point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.
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Aardvark! posted:By the way, regarding the plot of the movie they were shooting: lmao nice
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Oct 23, 2021 08:02
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We still don't know if it was a blank or not, right? Prop gun, real gun, hot gun, cold gun, live round, all I've seen are terms with very specific gun nerd/film crew meanings that don't actually explain anything at all for the layman.
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Oct 23, 2021 08:10
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Sometimes you shoot the film and sometimes the film shoots you. That's life
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Oct 23, 2021 08:13
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In actual press releases I mean, not just like, whatever text message someone on Reddit claimed to screenshot from their friends uncle who worked nearby but knows a guy on set.
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Oct 23, 2021 08:13
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They were really lucky that they weren't making a film about the inventor of the Gatling gun
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twistedmentat posted:That movie is great in showing just how brutal the Nazis were to the ordinary Soviet people, and how brutal the Soviets were when they fought back. Excluding the Nazis, the Soviet rape of the Germans is an often excluded part of history, and Come and See is a fraction of a glimpse into the horrors of that war.
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Oct 23, 2021 08:37
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Watch this person rise to fame and become a fixture on right wing news shows.
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 Oh Adam, however will we get the Deetzes out of our house?! Don't worry Barb, I have a few ideas
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Songbearer posted:
I cannot abide the assassination of Otho.
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Novo posted:i am not a physicist or a firearms expert but it seems like plugging up a real gun and then putting blanks in it is maybe not the best idea They have to be plugged else they don't have enough pressure to cycle the next round (semi autos, anyway). It also prevents mishaps; the barrel will blow up if you try to shoot a real bullet through it, assuming the chamber hasn't been modified so that it can't seat a full size bullet (blanks are just the casing with powder and a crimp on it). Blanks aren't safe, though. Remember In Bruges when Colin Farrel blinded that dude with one? That would really happen. Also, actor Jon Hexum put a .44 magnum with a blank up to his own head and pulled the trigger, apparently unaware that it would blow his skull into his brain and kill him from the pressure alone. not a cop fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 10:28
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My theory is Baldwin did it on purpose to support the union.
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Strategic Tea posted:Excellent work, 47
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Oct 23, 2021 11:13
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All right everyone, this is Goot and she will be handling everything about our guns to make sure they're safe. Nobody touches them unless she hands you one and give it back immediately when you're done. *5 minutes later* Hey Hannah, toss me that gun on the table over there would you, dear? What Goot? Yeah, she probably checked it out already it's fine.
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FoolyCharged posted:All right everyone, this is Goot and she will be handling everything about our guns to make sure they're safe. Nobody touches them unless she hands you one and give it back immediately when you're done. Susanna said she wanted to deregulate and eliminate the film industry in NM
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Oct 23, 2021 11:42
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Seriously though, they had a dedicated gun personm why were other people handling the guns?
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FoolyCharged posted:Seriously though, they had a dedicated gun personm why were other people handling the guns? *points to OSHA thread* seriously, between working for a CMO pharma company and a prolific audio manufacturer, OSHA exists for a reason and that's because people do stupid loving poo poo around machinery all the time and everything you do should be triple checked before proceeding
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mossyfisk posted:Personally I would simply not point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. When in Rome...
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Oct 23, 2021 13:07
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Does anyone know which episode of Colombo this is from? Someone set up a star to shot someone and Peter Falk figures out who done it.
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Chris Pistols posted:Was it a prop cow, a real cow or a live cow? Was it union?
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Was it union? Soviet Union, yes. Maybe it was a trotskyite cow, I suppose.
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Was it union? Soviet Union E: loving beaten so bad I’m getting sent to the gulag
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The broader story here is that you've got strikes and union walkouts across the US. These companies are of course trying to continue on making a buck without their workers and people are getting really hurt, and in this case killed. John Deere forced their middle management to take the place of their rank and file and had an accident that thankfully wasn't fatal. I hope that these sorts of horrible accidents ignite some awareness of the sheer necessity we have for workers rights, and how they've been stripped away to the point some people are in mortal danger at work. Also, a big gently caress You to Alec Baldwin for continuing to shoot this film while the union labor walked out. For all his piss weak liberal whinnying he's still on set trying to make the film go ahead and swinging unsafe guns around. What a piece of poo poo.
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it should also put into context that rich actors saying they "stand with" the other unions means jack poo poo and they will literally kill you before showing any actual solidarity.
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Poohs Packin posted:The broader story here is that you've got strikes and union walkouts across the US. These companies are of course trying to continue on making a buck without their workers and people are getting really hurt, and in this case killed. John Deere forced their middle management to take the place of their rank and file and had an accident that thankfully wasn't fatal. I hope that these sorts of horrible accidents ignite some awareness of the sheer necessity we have for workers rights, and how they've been stripped away to the point some people are in mortal danger at work. What penalty would you like to see Mr. Baldwin pay for using what he thought was essentially a safe toy gun in a situation he was quite possibly not aware of because you're mad about labor unions?
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Big Beef City posted:What penalty would you like to see Mr. Baldwin pay for using what he thought was essentially a safe toy gun in a situation he was quite possibly not aware of because you're mad about labor unions? he shouldnt have stayed on a production after half the crew walked out because the armorer kept accidentally setting off firearms he co-wrote and produced the loving movie though, so how can you blame him for wanting to protect his investment?
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I think that blaming Alec Baldwin, who is probably traumatised for life, is a bit of a stretch.
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he's not solely responsible but he is responsible. people make stupid mistakes all of the time and this was one of them. he absolutely had the power to prevent this. the idea that the multi-millionaire producer and co-writer of the film could have done nothing after half the crew walked off due to serious safety violations (including multiple negligent discharges!) is loving stupid.
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I like fact that he was told the gun was safe so he shot someone with it just to make sure. I mean he was told it was safe. Of course he should then be pointing it at and shooting people with it. That’s what it’s for.
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I don't understand why you're so blood thirsty to see him pay for this. "half the crew" is ... an embellishment. He was 'producer' in name only. He is not personally responsible to double-check the armorer/safety team's jobs. What gives, man? Did Alec Baldwin personally slight you at some point? Is this some 'jab at authority' thing? What the gently caress does being 'co-writer' of the script have to do with this accident?
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Oct 23, 2021 15:11
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His job in the scene was to point the gun and pull the trigger and say some lines. He probably wouldn't have the expertise to even judge whether the guy in charge of guns was qualified.
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I just think it’s funny he shot someone and they died and there should be no punishment because he was told the gun was safe.
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Big Beef City posted:What penalty would you like to see Mr. Baldwin pay for using what he thought was essentially a safe toy gun in a situation he was quite possibly not aware of because you're mad about labor unions? I like unions, i dont know what you mean? Im not out for blood its a real tragedy. I dont think theres really any punitive measures that could be reasonably taken. Maybe charge him with manslaughter? We will have to see how aware he was of IATSE union members walking off due to unsafe conditions specifically around firearms. My guess is that as a lead actor and producer he was likely acutely aware of these massive issues and said "gently caress it" so they didnt lose any days shooting. If he thought "This is a toy gun", then sure, but the guy has been around movies and TV long enough to know thats not the case.
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He was a producer and co-writer I dont get why people are acting like he was completely powerless here. this happened after a series of accidents with the firearms and after the union walked off due to these safety violations. He was aware of this and chose to scab and this resulted in someone dying. i dont think he should be like charged with anything, but pretty much the entire production should be bankrupted by this.
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Poohs Packin posted:The broader story here is that you've got strikes and union walkouts across the US. These companies are of course trying to continue on making a buck without their workers and people are getting really hurt, and in this case killed. John Deere forced their middle management to take the place of their rank and file and had an accident that thankfully wasn't fatal. I hope that these sorts of horrible accidents ignite some awareness of the sheer necessity we have for workers rights, and how they've been stripped away to the point some people are in mortal danger at work. That John Deere thing is so so so stupid. Yeah, just get a bunch of office workers to start driving forklifts on the fly. What can go wrong? I can't believe their insurance is even letting the do that. First thing I would do if I was their insurance carrier is call them stupid idiots
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i hope alex baldwin hangs for this!!
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punishedkissinger posted:He was a producer and co-writer I dont get why people are acting like he was completely powerless here. Yeah, this. He's a good guy democrat who makes fun of the orange cheeto man but when it comes down to standing up for workplace safety his big fat bottom line was more appealing.
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