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Guns don't kill people. People kill people. With guns. A pity Mr Alex Baldwin didn't have a rl Liz Lemon to help keep him from loving up. Also  Show business, it's a dangerous business.
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punishedkissinger posted:He was a producer In name only. This is common. quote:and co-writer How could this possibly matter? quote:this happened after a series of accidents with the firearms quote:after the union walked off due to these safety violations. Except that isn't why that particular branch of the union walked off. It was due to lack of pay and accommodations. quote:He was aware of this Look, I'm not trying to be #1 Alec Baldwin Fan Guy over here and frankly I don't know wtf actually happened, but your posts are bloodthirsty and weird.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:25
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Big Beef City posted:In name only. This is common. Baldwin must hang for this fanfiction I wrote in my head about the incident There is no other choice
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Oct 23, 2021 15:28
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how the gently caress is it bloodthirsty to be upset at a multimillionaire producer for killing someone while scabbing?
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Oct 23, 2021 15:29
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you seem to be minimising the death of this woman by getting more mad about the union stuff than the accident
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Oct 23, 2021 15:30
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punishedkissinger posted:how the gently caress is it bloodthirsty to be upset at a multimillionaire producer for killing someone while scabbing? Sounds like the cinematographer and the director shouldn't have been scabbing either. How is the actor scabbing? It wasn't the actors that walked out lol
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Oct 23, 2021 15:32
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punishedkissinger posted:how the gently caress is it bloodthirsty to be upset at a multimillionaire producer for killing someone while scabbing? I think you kinda answered your own question there champ
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Oct 23, 2021 15:32
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Caesar Saladin posted:you seem to be minimising the death of this woman by getting more mad about the union stuff than the accident if they had listened to the union complaints no one would be dead. "you seem more caught up in the labor complaints than the deaths of all those women at the shirtwaist factory"
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Oct 23, 2021 15:33
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all i know is i need to express my opinion IMMEDIATELY
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Oct 23, 2021 15:34
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Mozi posted:all i know is i need to express my opinion IMMEDIATELY The Poster's Creed 
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Oct 23, 2021 15:35
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punishedkissinger posted:if they had listened to the union complaints no one would be dead. they didn't walk out because of poor gun safety there weren't any evil bosses putting bullets in the guns like the locked doors at the shirtwaist factory what an incredibly dumb comparison
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Oct 23, 2021 15:36
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Has he killed anyone today?
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Oct 23, 2021 15:36
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One of the most frustrating things about the way unions have been shrinking throughout basically my entire lifetime is that now you've got a bunch of idiots who recognize that unions are good, but have absolutely zero experience with them and so just start cargo-culting phrases they recognize like 'scabbing' without understanding exactly what they mean.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:39
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Caesar Saladin posted:they didn't walk out because of poor gun safety yes they did https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set quote:Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set. punishedkissinger fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 15:39
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Caesar Saladin posted:they didn't walk out because of poor gun safety A spokesperson for the union cited lack of safety meetings as a reason for the walkout, on top of making them drive 50 miles to the set.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:42
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LanceHunter posted:One of the most frustrating things about the way unions have been shrinking throughout basically my entire lifetime is that now you've got a bunch of idiots who recognize that unions are good, but have absolutely zero experience with them and so just start cargo-culting phrases they recognize like 'scabbing' without understanding exactly what they mean. AV/post combo 
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Oct 23, 2021 15:44
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Well alright, fair enough. I'm still going to say that blaming Alec Baldwin for this is just being hungry for famous blood.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:44
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the armorer is the person most at fault here but every other producer is also responsible to some extent.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:45
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Big Beef City posted:In name only. This is common. I like how you (correctly, I might add) criticise him for making assumptions, only to then go right ahead and do the same. Might well be that he's just a producer in name only, but he also co-wrote the movie and his production company is involved, so maybe not? As an aside, actors are given instructions on how to safely handle the guns they use. It's kind of wild that they aren't also instructed on how to check that the 'cold' guns they're handed are, in fact, cold.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:45
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lol
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Oct 23, 2021 15:45
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If you're going to complain about "scabbing" isn't this a net positive event for you? Two "scabs" got shot?? No one should be working without proper safety and I'm a little surprised a seasoned actor wouldn't ask to know that a gun is safe, but I also wouldn't necessarily expect an actor to know how to recognize a gun is/isn't loaded.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:47
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ilmucche posted:If you're going to complain about "scabbing" isn't this a net positive event for you? Two "scabs" got shot?? yes, generally if a person doesn’t approve of something it’s safe to assume they want the perpetrator shot. People who cut in line, people who talk on the phone in the grocery store, tall people who sit in front of me at the movie theater— they should all be shot to death with bullets by Alec Baldwin
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Oct 23, 2021 15:51
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Scherloch posted:I like how you (correctly, I might add) criticise him for making assumptions, only to then go right ahead and do the same. ...by literally saying "I don't know what happened and neither do you". Great take. You really got me this time.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:52
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the DP choosing to keep working is wayyyyy more sympathetic than Baldwin too. Like, I get it, they dont have a ton of experience in the industry and theyre trying to have a career. It wasnt the right choice but I understand and empathize. By contrast, Baldwin is a multimillionaire with an established career and a ton of sway.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:53
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punishedkissinger posted:the DP choosing to keep working is wayyyyy more sympathetic than Baldwin too. Like, I get it, they dont have a ton of experience in the industry and theyre trying to have a career. It wasnt the right choice but I understand and empathize. By contrast, Baldwin is a multimillionaire with an established career and a ton of sway. So it, quite literally, is just you being mad at rich people, then. Got it.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:55
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:yes, generally if a person doesn’t approve of something it’s safe to assume they want the perpetrator shot. People who cut in line, people who talk on the phone in the grocery store, tall people who sit in front of me at the movie theater— they should all be shot to death with bullets by Alec Baldwin alec baldwin is a man on a rampage, filled with insatiable bloodlust, a homicidal maniac hellbent on killing all who have grieved the posters in this thread, and i am responding by putting a bounty of one. thousand. dollars. on his head, dead or alive, payable in gold doubloons, to mollify and pacify this thread and to once and for all put an end to alec baldwins ruthless, sanguinary spree
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Oct 23, 2021 15:56
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Big Beef City posted:So it, quite literally, is just you being mad at rich people, then. Got it. Yes, rich people cut corners and that lead to a woman being killed. a normal human reaction to this would be anger. Im glad you can parse this.
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Oct 23, 2021 15:56
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punishedkissinger posted:he's not solely responsible but he is responsible. people make stupid mistakes all of the time and this was one of them. the director wrote it, not Alec Baldwin
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Oct 23, 2021 15:58
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Big Beef City posted:...by literally saying "I don't know what happened and neither do you". Great take. You really got me this time. I was referring to this here: Big Beef City posted:He was 'producer' in name only. Big Beef City posted:In name only. This is common. It's an assumption presented as a fact (twice.)
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Oct 23, 2021 15:59
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I’m a scab armorer. You got a nasty scab on your body, I’ll fit it for a suit of tiny armor!
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Oct 23, 2021 15:59
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punishedkissinger posted:Yes, rich people cut corners and that lead to a woman being killed. a normal human reaction to this would be anger. Im glad you can parse this. What if the rich people paid the armorer more so that the job was done correctly and in the process made THEM rich
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Oct 23, 2021 16:00
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If live rounds were present at all on this set - much less loaded into a firearm and left sitting around - the armorer is extremely at fault. Especially if the claim about multiple negligent discharges taking place earlier is true. Criminal negligence here at best. Baldwin is at least somewhat at fault too because you should never, ever be pointing a gun at somebody and pulling the trigger. Even if you "know" it's not loaded. Especially if you think it has blanks in it. Extra especially if you didn't even have to do it and were loving around. The other producers and managers are also absolutely at fault if their staff complained about dumb, unsafe poo poo being done with the firearms on set and they chose to ignore it. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 16:01
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Look nobody knows how aware or close to the production he was but when hes a producer, co writer, and actor on a smaller budget film it seems a reasonable assumption he would have known about the walk out, police being called on the walk out, reasons for it, etc. The fact that its up for debate is indicative of the fact that his culpability is directly tied to it. Obviously he wasnt expecting to kill anyone, but THATS THE REASON for worker protections. The management does not take safety seriously as they are the least likely to be directly affected. Obviously movies have to make money. I think its reasonable to be mad that someone was killed because of a series of missteps and decisions that were motivated by profit. Hollywood gazillionaires arent exactly known for being great people. Im surprised anyone would care to defend them at all.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:06
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Im been hearing about this on the radio and they wont mention the non union workers, probably scared that Alec will go after them next
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Oct 23, 2021 16:07
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The producers, which includes Alec Baldwin, chose to ignore repeated concerns about gun safety from the crew and decided that it was ok to cut corners and that their money was more important than having a safe set. Now a person is dead because of it. He and the rest of the higher-ups are totally at fault for having an unsafe set and allowing it to continue. The fact that he was the one who pulled the trigger isn't really relevant, it could have been anyone and it would still be the producers fault.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:08
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i have also specifically said i dont think Baldwin is criminally culpable or anything. I just think he's an rear end in a top hat who helped create the dangerous situation. I dont get how that makes me blood-thirsty.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:08
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Warbadger posted:If live rounds were present at all on this set - much less loaded into a firearm and left sitting around - the armorer is extremely at fault. Especially if the claim about multiple negligent discharges taking place earlier is true. Criminal negligence here at best. Yeah, even if he isn't criminally responsible, he's guilty of being an idiot. They have replica guns to use when they're practicing cool gun moves or are supposed to aim at others.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:09
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Big Beef City posted:In name only. This is common. the millionaire defender has logged on
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Oct 23, 2021 16:10
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When the media latches on to the big name involved, that's bad. When I do it though, that's good.
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Lucky Guy posted:the millionaire defender has logged on No, I'm actually.... Mr. ....Snrub, from someplace......Far away.
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