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feedmegin posted:My plan is to gather the East London goon massive in my palatial house and form a heavily armed commune. I probably have the skills and enough servos to make some robotic death turret guns too. The ultimate GoonMeet. 
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What is the gist of Plan B? Do you know? Mandatory masks in public and working from home. So basically enough to slow things down until just before Christmas when they'll have to do a full lockdown again. Too little too late as ever.
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Oct 24, 2021 09:43
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So some Newcastle fans are being investigated by the police for unfurling an anti-Saudi banner because it features a man in 'Arabic clothing' but the fans dancing in the street celebrating the takeover with tea towels on their heads were fine.
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JoylessJester posted:So some Newcastle fans are being investigated by the police for unfurling an anti-Saudi banner because it features a man in 'Arabic clothing' but the fans dancing in the street celebrating the takeover with tea towels on their heads were fine. The offending banner: 
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Oct 24, 2021 09:48
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Mandatory masks in public and working from home. So basically enough to slow things down until just before Christmas when they'll have to do a full lockdown again. I wonder what compliance will be like now that people have been able to live and act "normally" for months.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:02
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The mirror article doesn't say anything about next week. It features the word immediate and talks of canvassing opinion for such a timescale. It also refes to plan B as the 'winter plan', which suggests its coming at some point regardless. They should absolutely do it though. What sensible person gives a flying gently caress about wearing a mask and the infrastructure for working from home is surely in place now for every viable role. Sorry youngsters but I can't even be bothered to mention nightclubs.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:05
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Has anyone got some proper info on this spiking stuff going on? The news today has exeter police saying 3 people who reported being injected and put in hospital had no drugs in their system at all when tested. But then Nottingham police have arrested 2 people who did like they had ghb falling out their pockets. It's all a bit bizarre.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:12
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't the obvious solution here just to show up early to the roaming cannibal recruitment drives?  Increasingly relevant by the day
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Oct 24, 2021 10:12
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RockyB posted:This is the crux of it honestly. I've always approached life in a slightly pessimistic way because, as they say, a pessimist is rarely disappointed and often pleasantly surprised. As such I've run into no end of people of the 'cheer up it may never happen' bent that would rather blithely ignore a potential problem than do a modicum of planning for it. People like radmonger who can look at the Finland report and come to the conclusion that it's optimistic, when the understated sarcastic bottom line is actually: I don’t see what is so particularly unrealistic about that prospect that it needs to be ruled out with sarcasm The report is talking on a timescale of 50 years or so, assuming every country in the world in the world being as rich as Finland, with everyone who wants a car owning one, stuff delivered by trucks and container ships, and so on. In that circumstance , it turns out you would need to either find new deposits, recycle lithium, or improve current battery designs. If you think all of these are objectively impossible, then maybe you are a world expert in three separate areas and hold that as a justified belief. Or maybe the part of your brain that does that thinking is broken and tells you ‘this is never going to happen’ even when the question is ‘should I go down the shops and get some food’? If that best case doesn’t happen, some countries remain (or become) poor enough so the average person doesn’t own a car, the way the whole world was before 50s America, and half or more is today. So maybe they have an electric scooter, and travel longer distances by train. Maybe they still live and die the way they do now. In the true worst case, they become even poorer, wars are fought over bottle neck resources, and all those other 20C evils remain or return. The point is, the range of known possible outcomes is wide, and largely dependant on what is in effect luck. What technologies work out and which don’t, what wars start and what don’t, the timing, location and severity of environmental catastrophes, and what political movements succeed and what ones fail. Anyone claiming to be sure of the answers to all those questions is unlikely to have sound justification for their belief. So everyone is free to be optimistic, pessimistic or uncertain as best works for them psychologically. It’s just that there is no requirement, or excuse, for trying to impose those coping strategies on other people as if they were objective fact.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:30
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serious gaylord posted:Has anyone got some proper info on this spiking stuff going on? The news today has exeter police saying 3 people who reported being injected and put in hospital had no drugs in their system at all when tested. They probably got spiked in a more "normal" fashion (through drinks) and did the conspiracy association thing with an insect bite or other wound. You can't inject someone without it being really, really obvious since it's very painful and it's not like the drug is going to work like in the movies where you drop down 2 seconds after being hit.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:36
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I put together a graph based on data my employer have been putting out about number of 'very ill'* people with covid in hospital. It's Sunday, and I'm slightly hungover, so   * - not the phrase they use, but my interpretation of it.
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Oct 24, 2021 10:44
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serious gaylord posted:Has anyone got some proper info on this spiking stuff going on? The news today has exeter police saying 3 people who reported being injected and put in hospital had no drugs in their system at all when tested. ghb is a club drug so there could be some confusion there, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the whole media hysteria has got a few copycat needle psychos actually going out to do it even if it wasn’t real in the first place
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Oct 24, 2021 10:46
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Jel Shaker posted:ghb is a club drug so there could be some confusion there, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the whole media hysteria has got a few copycat needle psychos actually going out to do it even if it wasn’t real in the first place I really don't think there is a surreptitious way to inject someone with enough drugs to achieve the required effect. But yeah now that the concept is in the public consciousness I guess some idiots might be getting ideas
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Oct 24, 2021 10:50
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kingturnip posted:I put together a graph based on data my employer have been putting out about number of 'very ill'* people with covid in hospital. yeah most hospitals have a few in ICU and several dozens hospitalised, and the sick ones are very much middle aged most other countries would be reporting this as a total disaster but our media just shrugs
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Oct 24, 2021 10:54
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Failed Imagineer posted:I really don't think there is a surreptitious way to inject someone with enough drugs to achieve the required effect. But yeah now that the concept is in the public consciousness I guess some idiots might be getting ideas oh i mean that people take it “legitimately “ as a club drug themselves, and these guys could be dealers caught up in the whole thing or just actual rapists
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Oct 24, 2021 10:58
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It's not a common way of using it, but some people do inject GHB recreationally, so there's probably been a crossed wire somewhere along the line.
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Oct 24, 2021 11:03
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fuctifino posted:It's not a common way of using it, but some people do inject GHB recreationally, so there's probably been a crossed wire somewhere along the line. oh i didn’t know that, that sounds nuts when you can just add a drop to your own drink, especially that it’s a cheap drug you can buy by the litre
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Oct 24, 2021 11:13
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Jel Shaker posted:oh i didn’t know that, that sounds nuts when you can just add a drop to your own drink, especially that it’s a cheap drug you can buy by the litre Yeah, never underestimate what people are willing to inject into their bodies. I tried to find an article that I came across a while back about it, but instead came across a study where scientists gave 10 baboons the tools to intravenously self administer GHB laced with cocaine. Conclusion: Primates get the best drugs.
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I had my third primary Pfizer on Friday afternoon and it sucked a lot more than the other two, but thankfully only a day of complete fatigue and cramps. Just warm now.Failed Imagineer posted:I really don't think there is a surreptitious way to inject someone with enough drugs to achieve the required effect. But yeah now that the concept is in the public consciousness I guess some idiots might be getting ideas The needle bit has possibly become like the 'phantom slasher' hoax in East Asia, where there was a huge moral panic about lurking slashers with razor blades that led to both 1) people reporting minor scratch injuries as attacks and 2) some idiots doing copycat attacks with razors.
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Oct 24, 2021 11:33
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Jel Shaker posted:yeah most hospitals have a few in ICU and several dozens hospitalised, and the sick ones are very much middle aged Because we've had actual disaster peaks before, and in comparison this isn't that huge. 47,000 people died in the UK in September, about 4000 of those of covid, and the majority of those 4000 are unvaccinated by choice. If you've kept covid under control those are scary numbers, but when you've already had mismanagement lead to the majority of deaths some months being covid, it's just not a big deal. If the NHS wasn't so underfunded, run down, and ran by a government who was actively hostile to the idea of paying medical staff, it wouldn't be a issue.
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Any amount of IV anaesthetic that'd subdue someone through a needle stick quick enough that they didn't notice would also likely just outright kill them. Given how many of us have received injections recently, we're all aware that even a small shot takes a good 10-20 seconds of sitting pretty still to administer.
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It's also literally a repeat of this, even if it isn't. My "not the needle stabber" pin badge has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my badge.
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Guavanaut posted:people not knowing how anesthetics work tbf even anaesthesiologists don't really know how most anaesthesia works
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is all just propaganda from Patel's office, just so that she can have an easier ride implementing new laws to counter this new 'threat'.... e: vvv Ah, another Pointless Letters fan? I was just about to post the same 
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There were 4 reported injection spikings at one club here last week at a student night. Two of the students spoke to me about it. Apparently they attended hospital and were told that it was consistent with ketamine injection. I don't know if there were any crossed wires with what they were told, and I know that it sounds totally implausible, but nonetheless, please believe women. Theres also been a huge increase in conventional spikings lately so it could be that some weirdos are spiking drinks & then stabbing them with a needle, or some people are getting spiked & then noticing an unrelated blemish, but it could also be that the skepticism is just wrong, who knows what's going on. The important thing for now is that women feel able to come forward and are taken seriously. The good news is that the increase in spikings doesn't seem to be connected to sexual assaults, it looks like it's just a bunch of power tripping weirdos finding exciting new ways to violate women's bodily autonomy, so that's, uh, something
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Borrovan posted:There were 4 reported injection spikings at one club here last week at a student night. Two of the students spoke to me about it. Apparently they attended hospital and were told that it was consistent with ketamine injection. loving hell... :/ That's horrendous. quote:I don't know if there were any crossed wires with what they were told, and I know that it sounds totally implausible, but nonetheless, please believe women. Up until your post, the only sources I heard mentioning any of this was the Home Office and the police. Now you've confirmed it's an actual thing and there are actual victims... I'm kind of shocked and speechless.
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Movies have a lot to answer for re unconsciousness. Specifically that there are numerous ways to reliably render anyone* unconscious in seconds, including needles, chloroform, and whacking them on the head, without doing any harm, and they just wake up a bit hung over, going "where am I". Possibly with birds flying around the bump on their head. * except the comically big guy, who it just makes angrier
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Borrovan posted:There were 4 reported injection spikings at one club here last week at a student night. Two of the students spoke to me about it. Apparently they attended hospital and were told that it was consistent with ketamine injection. I dunno about the actual injections, but general spikings are just awareness and too much alcohol I'd think. It's most likely people just drinking too much, especially after not drinking for a long time. There have been a few studies showing that roughly 90% of self reported spiked drinks are just excess alcohol consumption. It does happen rarely, but I would put down a recent spike among students without a spike in sexual assaults to be people drinking too much and blaming spiking due to media hysteria rather than an actual attack.
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fuctifino posted:loving hell... :/ That's horrendous. It can be both an actual thing and a thing being hyped by the powers that be. I'm certain there's a lot of people looking for ways to rehabilitate the image of the police (big crackdown on spiking! See, we *can* protect women!) while simultaneously chucking in a load of extra dodgy laws and powers - I guarantee that they'll sneak a total ban on sale of food-grade nitrous oxide into whatever law they end up making GBS threads out in response to this and the Wayne Couzens case, which will of course kill more people in a week than have died from nos in the entire history of it's recreational use.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It can be both an actual thing and a thing being hyped by the powers that be. I'm certain there's a lot of people looking for ways to rehabilitate the image of the police (big crackdown on spiking! See, we *can* protect women!) while simultaneously chucking in a load of extra dodgy laws and powers - I guarantee that they'll sneak a total ban on sale of food-grade nitrous oxide into whatever law they end up making GBS threads out in response to this and the Wayne Couzens case, which will of course kill more people in a week than have died from nos in the entire history of it's recreational use. I was thinking it's probably the cops that are doing this, raiding the evidence lockers.
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The injection thing is one of those urban myths that enough professionals believe that it just gets taken as real. There’s a fair few articles about how we go through this myth every few years. Used to be AIDS being spread and injected 20 years back, now it’s just evolved again. A good example is the “blue whale” murder game that was the rage happening amongst kids 6 years ago. We had tonnes of CAMHS emails alerting us about this epidemic and every professional discussed it as real, when again it was just a modern urban myth. From working as a liaison in A&E I find a lot of the spikings are 18-19 year olds who have been started on Antidepressants not being informed of what happens when you mix a lot of them with alcohol. I’m certain some are real, but the toxicology report is normally clear for the vast vast majority who I assessed who had been spiked.
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In lighter news, do any South-East goons want cats? The neighbour of a friend of mine is trying to re-home three cats - an adult male and two kittens. Adult can go alone, kittens should probably go together. Unknown if they're spayed/neutered. (They're a bit neglected  )I can transport them.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I dunno about the actual injections, but general spikings are just awareness and too much alcohol I'd think.  you were probably just drunk."Also the recent spike is according to women's charities, who I assume are fully aware of the realities of the situation. (username/post btw)
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JoylessJester posted:So some Newcastle fans are being investigated by the police for unfurling an anti-Saudi banner because it features a man in 'Arabic clothing' but the fans dancing in the street celebrating the takeover with tea towels on their heads were fine. it was Crystal Palace not Newcastle fans
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Borrovan posted:Nonetheless, please believe women. The important thing is that the other 10% feel able to come forward, which they're less likely to do if the prevailing attitude is " Yea it's a hard problem - because the evidence is both A. Lots of women coming forward have misdiagnosed the issue. B. The issue does actually happen - being aware of (and coming forward with) drinks spiking is important. You have to strike a balance between respecting womens lived experiences, and informing them of things like antidepressant interactions which can lead to them mistakenly think they've been spiked (which itself is a bad thing! No one wants to believe they've been attacked).
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Believe women means making sure they have resources available that will listen and pay attention to their health and experiences, it also means acknowledging that social panics, even things like the London Monster and Taipei Slasher, often have a grain of truth within them, it wasn't just a bunch of women getting hysterical because of their wandering wombs. It doesn't mean playing into the very worst of moral panic mentality though, because that just gets you lynch mobs (usually by men, and often protecting some culturally imagined virtue). The 'ether perfume' hoax got perfume sellers attacked, and this needle panic one is looking about a week away from a diabetic getting beaten. It also often inspires copycat attacks even if the original attacks weren't a thing, and that's no good either. Ludo Friend posted:Used to be AIDS being spread and injected 20 years back, now it’s just evolved again.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Yea it's a hard problem - because the evidence is both A. Lots of women coming forward have misdiagnosed the issue. B. The issue does actually happen - being aware of (and coming forward with) drinks spiking is important. You have to strike a balance between respecting womens lived experiences, and informing them of things like antidepressant interactions which can lead to them mistakenly think they've been spiked (which itself is a bad thing! No one wants to believe they've been attacked). Exactly this is where being empathetic and having unconditional positive esteem for the victim helps. Listen to them, support them, but also support them in knowing what the evidence supports. I’d prefer to listen to their stories and give the support they do need rather than take a statement at face value and give someone the wrong outcome. Edit- Listening is the most important part of my job, I get a ridiculous amount of people being sent to me for bipolar, depression or anxiety who in fact have personality disorders. It’s only by listening to them and their experiences that we can actually go down the right track rather than continuing with the incorrect diagnosis. The wrong diagnosis or support can be counterproductive. Ludo Friend fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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