punishedkissinger posted:

no i don't. i think he hosed up here, but not criminally.

nvidiagouge posted:

It really seems like this was ultimately the armorer's fault but everyone hates the AD for being a shithead and he was the last one to touch it so he's getting the business, too. Realistically though is he actually trained to recognize a safe weapon or is his job just to relate what the armorer tells him? Seems to be a lot of grudge settling going on but nobody has come up with a good reason why actual bullets were there to begin with and that's totally on the armorer.

brugroffil posted:

There's a reason why in some industries there are strict limits on the number of hours you can work in a day, week, or month.

pentyne posted:

The AD should never have touched the gun under any circumstances or said anything about it being safe.

He was just impatient and wanted to film the scene asap instead of waiting for the propmaster.

Wizard Master posted:

Hmm

Wizard Master posted:

This isn’t 2004-edgelord GBS guys

nvidiagouge posted:

It sounds like from all the info being presented and the 911 call, etc. that there is actually supposed to be some sort of role for the AD in this situation? Like last point of failure or something?

Lolie posted:

Yep. Lots of comments from professionals on social media saying that the AD would usually be the last person to touch the gun before handing it to the actor.

The AD is supposed to check the gun themselves, though, and not just assume it's safe. This particular AD had a reputation for being flippant about safety requirements.

Barnaby Rudge posted:

Big Beef City posted:

Well according to one poster, one of those aspects was literally that as 'co-writer of the script' that made him more responsible. So. Pretty heavy stuff.

Big Beef City posted:

We don't actually know that, though, that's the thing. With larger stars on smaller sets, often times the only times they are there is when they're they are there to rehearse or shoot scenes, not talk shop around people all day. I don't know what the situation was here, but neither do you.

Look, I'm not trying to be #1 Alec Baldwin Fan Guy over here and frankly I don't know wtf actually happened, but your posts are bloodthirsty and weird.

Robo Reagan posted:

remember how in action movies up to the mid 2000s everyone kept fingers on the trigger always? wonder how many misfires your average movie had

Poohs Packin posted:

For all his posturing Alec Baldwin is 100% the type of guy to have armed guards at his house and a saferoom full of short-barrel ARs.

Producer, lead, and co-writer.

To be sure, its not that non-union labor was responsible for making these huge missteps in protocol. However, the idea that they would go on ahead when people were walking off the set in part for safety concerns around firearms handling doesn't really pass the sniff test. Basically a group of people said "we aren't going to work here anymore because there is this machine that explodes and fires hot bits of metal everywhere, and nobody here seems qualified to use it".

Production said, "Okay fine leave now or ill call the cops, now pass me the machine that explodes and fires hot bits of metal everywhere, bitch".

Songbearer posted:

This is from a few pages back but I was actually on set and after Alec's incident he slowly pivoted towards me and the next thing I know the gun is halfway down my throat and he says "If you tell anyone about the Baldwin Blood Curse and what happened today I will give you a 50 caliber enema" then he patted me on the shoulder leaving a huge bloodstain on my shirt

So I can vouch

dr_rat posted:

All lies. At the time of the event I personally eyewitnessed him Jack the rippering things up in london, as per his usually per his blood lust dictates. All this other stuff is just the typical made up anti-baldwin bigotry and I won't have it.

Shame on you goons for falling for it. I expect better from you all.

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I worked in the movies(all of them) and one time at the cafeteria Alec Baldwin ordered a plate of spiders,everybody laughed,but he just stared at them.

GABA ghoul posted:

I don't want to brag, but I have some experience with watching detective shows on tv(for example, Scherlock Homes, you might have heard about him? Colombo is another famous one ). And to me all of this looks like the gun guy on set orchestrated the whole thing to kill the camera women and make it look like an accident. They probably had an affair, which she threatened to disclose to his wife or they are half-siblings and he wanted to get a coheir out of the way. I hope the police is looking into this.

Snowy posted:

Less firing guns in films, more pistol whipping

LanceHunter posted:

So, before John Hamm hit it big on Mad Men, he was in this cop show on Lifetime called The Division. Apparently, it was so low budget that (despite being a cop show) over four full seasons and 80+ episode they never fired their guns. The show couldn't afford the cost of having an armorer or doing the gunfire effects, so they just never wrote any gunshots into the script. The cops would sometimes pull their guns on a perp, and I think once or twice they pistol-whipped someone, but that was it.

steinrokkan posted:

Quick to rebound, Alec is already preparing to play a helicopter pilot specializing in entertaining children's birthday parties.

nvidiagouge posted:

I wonder what actual level of standardized firearms training ADs are given for this. Just look for any sort of ammo at all? How to recognize blanks vs. bullets?

LanceHunter posted:

So, before John Hamm hit it big on Mad Men, he was in this cop show on Lifetime called The Division. Apparently, it was so low budget that (despite being a cop show) over four full seasons and 80+ episode they never fired their guns. The show couldn't afford the cost of having an armorer or doing the gunfire effects, so they just never wrote any gunshots into the script. The cops would sometimes pull their guns on a perp, and I think once or twice they pistol-whipped someone, but that was it.