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Kalli posted:Yeah, I pretty much agree with McMagic that they should fire their GM at this point. It was a mistake to hire a young defensive coach who is completely uninvolved in the offense when you are going to have a rookie QB. So very dumb.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, I pretty much agree with McMagic that they should fire their GM at this point. You might head off the gm throwing futures firsts away, trying to save his job by acquiring andrew whitworth or something.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:45
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Kalli posted:The Jets were almost completely lifeless yesterday. Corey Davis was going hard, and that's about it. Their defensive effort was just loving embarrassing. My poor Corey 😢
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Oct 25, 2021 17:48
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I mean, they've been absolutely brutalized by injuries this year as well. It's not JUST that the roster is bad; all their good players are injured as well. They've have by far the most cap space allocated to IR over the course of the year of any team. https://twitter.com/TheJetPress/status/1452640865017602050
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Oct 25, 2021 17:48
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There aren't many coaches who were fired too early but sure as poo poo most are fired too late!
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Oct 25, 2021 17:49
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i don't have a reaction to it. But that is a kind of reaction. Mind thoughts.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:51
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Diva Cupcake posted:I mean, they've been absolutely brutalized by injuries this year as well. It's not JUST that the roster is bad; all their good players are injured as well. They've have by far the most cap space allocated to IR over the course of the year of any team. Hard to blame injuries when they have been dogshit even when most of these guys played.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:52
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It was a mistake to hire a young defensive coach who is completely uninvolved in the offense when you are going to have a rookie QB. So very dumb. They need to hire a QB whispererer. Is Gase currently free?
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Saleh and Douglas are tied at the hip with Wilson. Wilson will get at least 2 years to not be trash; ergo so will Saleh and Douglas. The Jets haven't hired a retread head coach since Parcells, I want to say? 25 years. mcmagic posted:Hard to blame injuries when they have been dogshit even when most of these guys played.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:There aren't many coaches who were fired too early but sure as poo poo most are fired too late! I remember someone saying saying that "it's important to be early at that position". I dunno if I trust that, it was said by someone who went 5-9 last season and 1-4 this season against teams not called The Jets. What could that guy possibly know?
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Oct 25, 2021 17:59
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There wasn't a slam dunk hire available to them this last offseason but I think it's unarguable that if they would've hired someone like a Marvin Lewis (which I would've hated at the time) that they wouldn't be this completely hopeless as a team. They completely ignored experience on the staff and it's killing them.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:05
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:There are many examples that prove this sentiment to be wrong. Better to clean house now and not waste another year of your rookie QB and possibly get him ever more injured with incompetence. I generally agree with this but I think firing Saleh after one year, being stuck with a rookie QB you didn’t draft and have to make work, on top of the general curse of being the Jets would make it a very unattractive job.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:18
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mcmagic posted:There wasn't a slam dunk hire available to them this last offseason but I think it's unarguable that if they would've hired someone like a Marvin Lewis (which I would've hated at the time) that they wouldn't be this completely hopeless as a team. They completely ignored experience on the staff and it's killing them. Is Jim Caldwell still around. He’d be a good choice.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:20
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Is Jim Caldwell still around. He’d be a good choice. They should've at minimum had someone like that as OC.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:22
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Jets haven't hired a retread head coach since Parcells, I want to say? 25 years.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:22
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:huwhat? What does that make Adam Gase? a brilliant offensive mind
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Not a particularly new observation but in retrospect we really did Caldwell dirty in the court of public opinion. I'm using that term wrong but don't know how to phrase it better than just saying everyone hated him when he was probably better than he should have been most of the time.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:28
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It was a mistake to hire a young defensive coach who is completely uninvolved in the offense when you are going to have a rookie QB. So very dumb. I mean, wasn’t part of the original idea with them hiring Greg Knapp as QB coach to help develop Wilson until he died. Doesn’t excuse the others on the offensive staff/organization, but that doesn’t help…
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Oct 25, 2021 18:28
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fartknocker posted:I mean, wasn’t part of the original idea with them hiring Greg Knapp as QB coach to help develop Wilson until he died. Doesn’t excuse the others on the offensive staff/organization, but that doesn’t help… Knapp wasn't enough experience even if he didn't die.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:30
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Metapod posted:My poor Corey 😢 come back to nashville corey
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Grittybeard posted:Not a particularly new observation but in retrospect we really did Caldwell dirty in the court of public opinion.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:36
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:There aren't many coaches who were fired too early but sure as poo poo most are fired too late! It's very hard to know if a coach has been fired too early, since they have no opportunity to prove otherwise shyduck posted:In the first half of Eagles/Raiders game, the Eagles forced a 4th and 4 around midfield, and the Raiders brought their punt unit on the field. I can understand this was a mistake but can also forgive him for thinking that maybe his defense could NOT give up 30 yards on 3rd and 14.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:37
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Caldwell's never the solution, but he can be a very good fix to a very serious problem. The Alex Smith of coaches.
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Eagles DC is absolutely getting shitcanned and that's what they'll use to give Sirianni cover for another season
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Probably Magic posted:Caldwell's never the solution, but he can be a very good fix to a very serious problem. The Alex Smith of coaches. This is what the Jets needed. A baseline level of competence.
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mcmagic posted:This is what the Jets needed. A baseline level of competence. I honestly think they still end up this bad even with Caldwell. There's just no way to judge Saleh until next season.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:50
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:There aren't many coaches who were fired too early but sure as poo poo most are fired too late! How could you possibly know if a coach was fired too early What would you even base that on? I just think this is a totally fruitless way to think about coaching, and in general I think the way we talk about coaches and drafts is super results focused even though we know the results are significantly if not mostly random.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:51
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It's not random when a team shows up completely unprepared for their opponent week after week. It's not random when a coach makes bad strategic decisions in games week after week. It's not random when a team plays sloppy and undisciplined in all three phases every week. I think you have to be really incompetent to lose every week in the NFL, especially in embarrassing fashion like the Jets are doing. I think even a baseline level of competence will get a poor roster to 4 or 5 wins and will at least make your team look competitive in games. When a coach shows you who they are, believe them.
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They have gotten completely dominated by the patriots, broncos and falcons which are all mediocre at best teams.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It's not random when a team shows up completely unprepared for their opponent week after week. It's not random when a coach makes bad strategic decisions in games week after week. It's not random when a team plays sloppy and undisciplined in all three phases every week. Why would this be true when every other team you play is so much more talented than yours? If you have the worst team in the league talent-wise you are expected to win zero games or maybe just a couple at most. Not 4 or 5. The fact that they beat the Titans is loving incredible, almost unbelievable. Not something I would've expected with this roster. I haven't been impressed with him so far but literally everything is against him so you have to give some leeway. Worst team in the league in terms of talent, huge amount of injuries to the exact guys that you couldn't afford to lose, untested rookie quarterback, etc.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It's not random when a team shows up completely unprepared for their opponent week after week. It's not random when a coach makes bad strategic decisions in games week after week. It's not random when a team plays sloppy and undisciplined in all three phases every week. I’m responding to the sentiment that in general coaches are fired “too late” and you should churn through them more often. I haven’t watched a jets game I have some self respect
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mcmagic posted:They have gotten completely dominated by the patriots
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Play posted:I can understand this was a mistake but can also forgive him for thinking that maybe his defense could NOT give up 30 yards on 3rd and 14. Carr is only behind like, Kyler for most explosive downfield plays
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shyduck posted:Belichick probably has these games circled to be fair So? That's an excuse to be completely embarrassed by a team in your division that isn't even any good?
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Oct 25, 2021 19:25
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No I just think Belichick is a psychopath is all
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shyduck posted:No I just think Belichick is a psychopath is all He clearly is and he enjoyed that game yesterday more than he enjoyed winning any super bowl but that doesn't excuse the way the Jets showed up and played that game.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:28
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:huwhat? What does that make Adam Gase?
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Diva Cupcake posted:Holy poo poo. I think my brain intentionally hid that fact from me. You can be forgiven for not putting Parcells and Gase in the same category. Also Parcells wasn't really in the retread category the way someone like Lewis and Caldwell and of course Gase are.
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Marvin Lewis is good and not a retread
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Marvin Lewis is good and not a retread He's a 500 coach who lost all 7 of the playoff games he coached, 4 of them at home. He's competent but "good" is a stretch.
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