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the poppy is to remember all the weak british men who died during war?
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Relevant Tangent posted:where would you like americans to decolonialize themselves to? most of us don't have any ties to anywhere but america, despite the protestations of racist idiots that they're actually european because they allegedly had a great-great grandparent that was i want you to reread what i said and think very hard
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Oct 25, 2021 17:11
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forkboy84 posted:The British Legion do wee lapel poppies every year in the lead up to November 11th, Rembrance Day. And at some point it turned from remembering people who died in pointless wars into a very American style bonkers SUPPORT R BRAVE BOYS thing. And if you don't wear one (or wear a white poppy which is made by some pacifist charity) it really gets the gammon redder & madder than usual I'd say about the Iraq invasion is when it went full SUPPORT ARE BOYS FUTURE SOLDIER, though maybe that's just when I was old enough to really notice it.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:27
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forkboy84 posted:Would like to see all of Boston relocated to Ireland & being stunned how left wing Sinn Fein are well lets not go crazy
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Oct 25, 2021 17:29
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Thanks for the answers everyone. Does this supporting r troops include getting those hosed up by the war they've been in any psychological/psychiatric assistance or assistance getting back into normal society, or is it all performative ? And no, I am not British, I'm barely Dutch.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:35
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Absolutely not, and it's also pro war
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Oct 25, 2021 17:36
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I think the British Legion does do ex-forces support work with the proceeds, but it is absolutely a secondary concern when buying a poppy to telling people how much you love our brave beautiful troops
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Oct 25, 2021 17:39
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    poppy season becomes an escalating game of insane one-upmanship to prove how patriotic you are to your fellow gammonfolk. If at any point you think 'hmm that seems a bit gauche' a horde of wobbling angry red faced men will loudly berate you as a traitor
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Oct 25, 2021 17:40
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kecske posted:
ah there he is
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Oct 25, 2021 17:41
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they made cookie monster wear a poppy
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Oct 25, 2021 17:46
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The final boss of Remembrance Day.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:51
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this is are country
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Oct 25, 2021 17:53
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An insane mind posted:Thanks for the answers everyone. Does this supporting r troops include getting those hosed up by the war they've been in any psychological/psychiatric assistance or assistance getting back into normal society, or is it all performative ? So yes & no. The people who do the poppy, the British Legion, do actually do a lot of good work with helping people (well, specifically British ex-forces, gently caress them Iraqi civilians) traumatised in war physically & mentally. I remember as a kid, & we're only going back 25 years, it seemed a good cause: a lot of soldiers do get forgotten about, especially the ones who end up damaged in some way by the conflict, & more than that a lot of them were obviously conscripts. But more than that, Rembrance Day was about everyone who died in war: "our troops", the enemy, civilians, didn't matter. It felt like an important thing, remembering the human costs of war. It definitely started to change during the endless War on Terror but tbh I'd pinpoint it to when the last men to serve in World War 1 died off the jingoism ramped up. Because Harry Patch was pretty clear what he thought about war
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Oct 25, 2021 18:06
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ro5s posted:I'd say about the Iraq invasion is when it went full SUPPORT ARE BOYS FUTURE SOLDIER, though maybe that's just when I was old enough to really notice it. It was after Harry Patch died, or at least that's when it became obvious to me Like so many things I'm sure there's no absolute distinct line e; f,b
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Oct 25, 2021 18:19
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What the gently caress, between poppy golems and the loving captain tom effigies I feel like I'm losing my loving mind.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:23
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I used to work with an Irish lad and fondly remember the day when he explained in detail why no, he wouldn't be putting any money in the poppy tin
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Oct 25, 2021 18:25
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i’m old enough to remember when there was a charity whip round to raise enough cash to buy our boys body armour because we either didn’t have any or the stuff they gave them was garbage not sure the poppy helps that though, more for physical and psychological support for those who came back maimed
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Oct 25, 2021 18:30
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forkboy84 posted:The British Legion do wee lapel poppies every year in the lead up to November 11th, Rembrance Day. And at some point it turned from remembering people who died in pointless wars into a very American style bonkers SUPPORT R BRAVE BOYS thing. And if you don't wear one (or wear a white poppy which is made by some pacifist charity) it really gets the gammon redder & madder than usual the timing of this transformation seems to have been the literal day that harry patch died e. goddamn it, should read more posts before responding!!!!
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Oct 25, 2021 18:32
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V. Illych L. posted:the timing of this transformation seems to have been the literal day that harry patch died it was on its way long before then. the poppy appeal started out as pro-war distraction from post-WW1 poverty among demobilised soldiers, and the last 20 years especially have been an escalation of militarism. but patch's death was definitely the go signal for just outright zero-contradiction lying about how wonderful war
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Oct 25, 2021 18:41
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yeah it always seemed conflicted before his death, but once he died there was no more conflict it just became an uncomplicated jingoistic thing immediately - i recall seeing a real shift in tone from my foreign vantage, at least
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Oct 25, 2021 18:49
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the shift towards 'Poppy Week' instead of Remembrance Sunday happened at least in 2013 with the BBC running a full week of pro-war programming (about how wonderful Afghanistan was now, etc)
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Oct 25, 2021 18:51
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Relevant Tangent posted:where would you like americans to decolonialize themselves to? most of us don't have any ties to anywhere but america, despite the protestations of racist idiots that they're actually european because they allegedly had a great-great grandparent that was
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Oct 25, 2021 18:52
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah it always seemed conflicted before his death, but once he died there was no more conflict it just became an uncomplicated jingoistic thing immediately - i recall seeing a real shift in tone from my foreign vantage, at least timing is a bit suspect, i think it might be a correlation rather than causation thing. he died ten months before the conservatives got in and well into the culture war around iraq and afghanistan and how the veterans were being treated and remembered. it's symbolic to say that it was the last vet that did it but it's not like there was any shortage of awful british empire veterans they could roll out in times of national crisis.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:57
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I think FUTURE SOLDIERS, CHARITY SINGLE was before Harry Patch died, the big difference was that politicians (and especially Gove) started going on long Imperialism Is Good, Actually tangents during interviews and ranting about how history textbooks need to be more balanced, by insisting every third page that Britannia is the hero and main character of history. And the press loving loved it, so they decided to never have former soldiers on tv again, just politicians talking about how war is a bangers lark. Public figures just weren't willing to risk being told to gently caress off by decorated ww1 vets.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:00
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Do we go through this again when there's 10 surviving WW2 vets? Or is the cat out of the bag now?
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Oct 25, 2021 19:05
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no they were clever enough to paint that particularly conflict a lovely shade of rose decades ago. we don't pity ww2 vets, we alternately venerate or envy them.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:15
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CoolCab posted:no they were clever enough to paint that particularly conflict a lovely shade of rose decades ago. we don't pity ww2 vets, we alternately venerate or envy them. be fair nazis were v. bad
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Oct 25, 2021 19:34
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Oct 25, 2021 20:11
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wait inflammable means flammable??
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Oct 25, 2021 20:15
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is that like a climate change graph or something, because there is absolutely no chance that newfoundland was more habitable than the british isles? geographically it's literally the other chunk of scotland with less arable land and a much less hospitable climate.
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Oct 25, 2021 20:21
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also biiiiiig chunks of canada at least were extensively human habituated before european colonialism and continuously since. i'm pretty sure i went to high school somewhere right under an A, lol
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Oct 25, 2021 20:22
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I seem to remember it was Tony Blair that kicked off the fetishization of the military. I'll see if I can find a reference.
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Oct 25, 2021 20:23
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going off what i think their definition of "habitable" is that is being way too generous to canada
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Oct 25, 2021 20:24
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It's a hilariously poo poo and suspect infographic for a lot of reasons but the UK being totally uninhabitable is the reason I posted it.
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Oct 25, 2021 20:26
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I seem to remember it was Tony Blair that kicked off the fetishization of the military. I'll see if I can find a reference. i sometimes read peter hitchens' blog and i enjoy that he consistently calls him "the Blair creature" it captures better than anyone else just what an abomination the guy is hitchens is generally crazy, but he does vindicate the decision from time to time and was for a while one of corbyn's biggest defenders in the press, out of nostalgia and contrarianism
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Oct 25, 2021 20:27
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isn't that a big chunk of the great plains in western NA too? huge slam on the people of...montana maybe?
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Oct 25, 2021 20:30
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CoolCab posted:i want you to reread what i said and think very hard you can just say get in the sea
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Oct 25, 2021 20:33
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CoolCab posted:isn't that a big chunk of the great plains in western NA too? huge slam on the people of...montana maybe? that's the Rocky Mountains
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Oct 25, 2021 20:35
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OK there was a thing called Veterans' Awareness Week in 2005. (Blair was PM, post-Iraq). This focused more on living veterans rather than Remembrance Day which focuses on the dead. https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/28381/veterans-awareness-week-july-2005 This then turned into Veterans' Day for 2006/7/8 and thence to Armed Forces Day from 2009 onwards. https://www.armedforcesday.org.uk/about/ And here is a blog article someone wrote back in 2010: https://labelledamesanssouci.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/the-growing-fetishisation-of-the-military-in-the-uk/
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Relevant Tangent posted:you can just say get in the sea you might well think that, i couldn't possibly comment Zoran posted:that's the Rocky Mountains oh, then huge slam on the people of...idaho? god my american geography is terrible
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