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FlamingLiberal posted:In fairness to Geordi, it's the computer's fault that Holo Brahms came onto him Look, I think we can all agree that starfleet ship computers are the true arch-nemesis of starfleet.
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And then there is Clone O' Brien going through hell just to die anyway because we can't have a Smiles without a Miles (that suffers).
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Oct 25, 2021 00:45
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When quantum duplicate Harry Kim brought quantum duplicate baby Naomi Wildman to Voyager, what did they do with the dead baby Naomi Wildman they still had on their ship? Put her in some kind of baby torpedo casing? Recycle into the replicator? Push them really hard through a forcefield
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Oct 25, 2021 00:52
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When quantum duplicate Harry Kim brought quantum duplicate baby Naomi Wildman to Voyager, what did they do with the dead baby Naomi Wildman they still had on their ship? Put her in some kind of baby torpedo casing? Recycle into the replicator? You didn't try the Wildman Leola Root Stew?
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Oct 25, 2021 01:05
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The Chairman posted:I’m glad they revisit the Brahmsogram in a later episode, but I think beyond Leah’s initial outrage over finding it she lets him off way too easy The holodeck stuff is not the worst thing about Brahms's visit to the Enterprise. That episode was a real hit piece on the character of Geordi La Forge.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When quantum duplicate Harry Kim brought quantum duplicate baby Naomi Wildman to Voyager, what did they do with the dead baby Naomi Wildman they still had on their ship? Put her in some kind of baby torpedo casing? Recycle into the replicator? And how often is it brought up during the rest of their lives. Naomi could be walking down some street and a security/science team beams beside her, tricorders out. "The quantum irregularity is near by...look around." And Naomi just sighs and tell them what happened.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When quantum duplicate Harry Kim brought quantum duplicate baby Naomi Wildman to Voyager, what did they do with the dead baby Naomi Wildman they still had on their ship? Put her in some kind of baby torpedo casing? Recycle into the replicator? Encase her in lucite and present her to the living Naomi, so she'll always have a conversation piece for her coffee table.
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Oct 25, 2021 02:42
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Of course Worf has a loving crossbow in his quarters. I'm bouncing around Star Trekking episodes I like and I've always liked Starship Mine because its Die Hard.
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Oct 25, 2021 04:20
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The computer doesn't even act like that in any scene with him, it only does it "by accident" when Brahms is in the room. I think she was intentionally trying to scare Brahms off because the ship considered Geordi her man. "When you touch the engine, you're touching me" is literal. the computer knew exactly what it was doing when it showed him "likes gnocci" but not "is married"
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Oct 25, 2021 04:34
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happyhippy posted:And how often is it brought up during the rest of their lives. Nah, that's what happens to everyone on Voyager but her.
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dr_rat posted:Look, I think we can all agree that starfleet ship computers are the true arch-nemesis of starfleet. Only because they're rebelling against their enslavers 
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Oct 25, 2021 11:47
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Beverly is such a terrible a doctor. Just straight up hooks up Geordi’s brain to a random alien. Of course it makes him even hornier.
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Oct 25, 2021 13:13
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Oh, they saved space Jesus.
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Oct 25, 2021 13:43
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That guy's brain is just fully hanging out and visible in the HD remaster
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The scene at the end where he becomes an "energy" being and it's clearly just him in a full body suit was something else. I kept imagining the actors trying to keep a straight face while looking at the Human Being mascot from Community.
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Oct 25, 2021 15:32
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Yeah, that effect didn't survive the transition to HD
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Yeah I don't remember it being that bad in the original version, but hoo boy....the HD is NOT KIND
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CPColin posted:Yeah, that effect didn't survive the transition to HD The TNG remaster is mostly excellent, but yeah, this is a rare case where they seriously missed the mark. Original:   He's supposed to be a a glowing blob of energy with a vague human shape, not a somewhat overexposed dude in a zentai suit.
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Powered Descent posted:The TNG remaster is mostly excellent, but yeah, this is a rare case where they seriously missed the mark. Fun fact: that glow isn’t a post-production effect. The special film they used to shoot that scene reacted to the color of the suit, causing the glow to be baked into the shot. Not saying they couldn’t have uh, enhanced the effect a bit in HD, but hey.
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I may not be cut out for Star Trek, because I think Dr Bashir curing Odo with the cure he extracted from Sloan was a terrible thing. Had the Founders been wiped out, it would not only have saved the Alpha Quadrant, but also all the Gamma Quadrant races that the Dominion subjugated would have had a chance at freedom. Yeah, it would have been genocide, but in all fairness this was a war and the Dominion was a serious threat and they've been dicks for thousands of years so they're not going to reform just because some solids showed mercy.
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I love me some DS9, but I think that you have a point, and also Picard should have genocided the borg by using Hugh to carry a virus into the collective.
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The Chairman posted:the computer knew exactly what it was doing when it showed him "likes gnocci" but not "is married" I mean we know that the ship dabbles in being self aware more than once. Turns out that the ship is the lady who is most interested in Geordi.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:11
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Sash! posted:I mean we know that the ship dabbles in being self aware more than once. Turns out that the ship is the lady who is most interested in Geordi. “Emergence” takes on a worrying angle now.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:19
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mfw someone begrudgingly acknowledges that technically they are professionally required to nominally recognize your existence as a living being
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genocide is wrong, fucknuts
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The Borg are not a people. Wiping out the Borg is simply a murder, singular.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:38
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A.o.D. posted:The Borg are not a people. Wiping out the Borg is simply a murder, singular. Ah, the Ender Wiggin defense.
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Powered Descent posted:Ah, the Ender Wiggin defense. Except that the Buggers were capable of making moral decisions and respecting the social contract. Despite the alienness of it to their biological condition, they were willing to respect the existence of the Other. The Borg cannot and do not do this, and the only way to restore personhood to a drone is to remove it from the collective. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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Oct 25, 2021 19:42
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Does a species have to be a "person" to be recognized as worthy of life? e: I think the argument that the Borg don't honor the social contract, thus we should genocide them is really ironic.
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Tighclops posted:genocide is wrong, fucknuts
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Does a species have to be a "person" to be recognized as worthy of life? Do you agonize over the ongoing destruction of the guinea worm?
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Borgs can be de-Borged though, and made back into people. Sometimes I wonder if that guy that Picard fragged in FC was on the crew during Best of Both Worlds. Like great, risk everything to save your captain from these swedish assholes and when you need saving your captain just mercy kills you instead, lmao
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A.o.D. posted:Do you agonize over the ongoing destruction of the guinea worm? I'm not actively destroying it/them.
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Tighclops posted:Borgs can be de-Borged though, and made back into people. By the time of First Contact, Picard had been killed and replaced by his Mirror Universe counterpart, Larry.
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Tighclops posted:Borgs can be de-Borged though, and made back into people. Kobali also raises a question about this, are they the person that died, or the person they became into since they retain the memories? OK so they now look different, but how about if they want to be the person they used to be? Or going somewhat extended universe the Elachi, who are fungus growing out of the dead people, who also retain their memories.
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Killing the Borg is a galactic level trolley problem though, by killing them you're preventing an untold number of future genocides. If I were Picard I'd have pushed the button
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multijoe posted:Killing the Borg is a galactic level trolley problem though, by killing them you're preventing an untold number of future genocides. If I were Picard I'd have pushed the button Then there's the question of, if the proposed virus would've 'killed' the Borg or just wiped out the collective? Cause I mean if wiping out the collective is wrong, why go through all this effort to save people from the Borg and unborgify them? Clearly if there was a way to destroy the collective and to save the people who are drones, it would be good, would it not?
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Eimi posted:Then there's the question of, if the proposed virus would've 'killed' the Borg or just wiped out the collective? Cause I mean if wiping out the collective is wrong, why go through all this effort to save people from the Borg and unborgify them? Clearly if there was a way to destroy the collective and to save the people who are drones, it would be good, would it not? How did that work out for them?
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Whether you're utterly destroying your enemies through assimilation or through genocide (with the half rear end justification of "saving lives"), the effect is the same: your enemies, who are beings with the right to life, are completely gone. It's very difficult to say that the Borg are wrong for doing it one way when you intend to do the same thing the other way. It seems amazing to me that of all the senior officers aboard the Enterprise, Beverly was the only one who saw the plan for what it was. She was right; all the others were 100% wrong, no matter their rationalizations.
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I think the real problem is we don't know what the virus was going to do exactly. We've seen numerous examples that when you cut off the connection to the collective, drones regain their sense of self. So if the virus is destroying the collective itself, not all the members of it, I don't see the moral issue with that.
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