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zoux posted:Book question, Herbert likes to hyphenate things like Ah-h-h-h and Hmm-m-m-m, is that anything or just a quirk of his I think it works and as sean10mm points out, it's used in a very explicit way to convey something that would've likely would've read very differently without them. Ithle01 posted:I think Yueh's wife was a Bene Gesserit so we can assume the answer is pussy magic. That whole storyline also plays a part in Bronso of Ix's supposed treasonous acts, although I can't remember if that's from GEoD or Dune Encyclopedia. A Wizard of Goatse posted:iirc one of the prequel books mentioned FH's notes made more clear that Leto just thinks he's getting a Suk doctor, what everyone was actually saying is Yueh "sucks as a doctor" 
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Cheap Trick posted:Looking forward to the Cinematic Duniverse It might better than the original literature if the rest of the books really are as lovely as pictured in this thread!
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Everyone's political calculations are wildly wrong, because their machine-like thinking is unable to account for Suk conditioning being overstated.
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:It might better than the original literature if the rest of the books really are as lovely as pictured in this thread! "the rest of the books" by the original author are not lovely, just weird and a bit too horny "the rest of the books" ""written"" by his son are poop from a butt
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The Bloop posted:"the rest of the books" by the original author are not lovely, just weird and a bit too horny
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So speaking of Suk conditioning, and how it's broken - when it comes down to it, the reason that Yueh breaks is because of his love for his wife. And the reason why Jessica disobeys the Mother Superiors direct orders is because of love for her Duke. So it seems that the Bene Gesserit were right to fear love above all else.
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Love and also some low grade BG training. If I was the BG I'd be more worried about the sisters just teaching people their secret techniques all willy-nilly, like Jessica and Wanna both did.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:So speaking of Suk conditioning, and how it's broken - when it comes down to it, the reason that Yueh breaks is because of his love for his wife. Love upending a bunch of carefully constructed math problems is def dunc
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I figured Yueh was logic bombed in some way but it's been awhile since I read the book.Imagined posted:Padishah is an actual word It is indeed.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Love upending a bunch of carefully constructed math problems is def dunc Pure, raw, Dunc. Jessica's love of  upends the carefully constructed problem of Alia being a non-conscious fetus I'm not really sure how that gets addressed in a modern movie. Like straight up, the theme and idea behind all of that is so antithetical to modern society that I don't get how its approached. EDIT - Jessica knew what she was doing, full stop, and just drank that worm-drank. Its been a while since I've read the book, and Dune 1984 drops the ball, but I guess I just don't understand Jessica's motivation. Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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Flakey posted:Love and also some low grade BG training. Vampire Panties posted:Pure, raw, Dunc. Jessica's love of BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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Vampire Panties posted:Pure, raw, Dunc. Jessica's love of She had to do to to save Paul or something I don’t remember
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:As did Margot Fenring. doesnt the current, old, dying RevMo freak out when she finds out that Jessica is pregnant, but its way too late and they're already high AF? In a weird rear end book, its an extremely weird plot point. IIRC the mechanism of Abomination is introduced roughly .02 seconds before Jessica is like welp its time
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Vampire Panties posted:doesnt the current, old, dying RevMo freak out when she finds out that Jessica is pregnant, but its way too late and they're already high AF? The only one to call Alia an abomination is Mother Superior Gaius Helen Moahaim, and at that point she isn't one. That doesn't happen until Paul has become The Preacher. EDIT: Children of Dune also reveal that the fear of bomination is likely what caused Alia to become an abomination, since both Leto II and Ghanima conquered it by accepting a dominant ego-memory. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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zoux posted:In the book, Herbert makes a huge deal about Suk conditioning, to the point that the Baron has to lie to the emperor about Yueh being a fake Suk Dok because that's more plausible than the breaking of his conditioning, but I never got what the lever was that was able to break that conditioning. What, taking his wife hostage and torturing her was enough for him to break through this legendary mental discipline? Seems like it'd be pretty easy to turn any old Suk doctor if you were really doing some kanly. Or to put it more simply, Ithle01 posted:we can assume the answer is pussy magic.
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Ulf posted:This isn't relevant to the movie (which doesn't even say the word "Suk"), but there's fan headcanon out there that since Wanna is Bene Geserit it's actually her control over him that overcame the Suk conditioning, and that was how Piter got in. That's what I'm sayin'! Men don't love Bene Gesserit women like other women, they are loved like some sort of a sea anemone .. with rockin' tits.
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So wanna was an agent like Jessica
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Ithle01 posted:That's what I'm sayin'! Men don't love Bene Gesserit women like other women, they are loved like some sort of a sea anemone .. with rockin' tits. Someone should've told Frank that 
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euphronius posted:So wanna was an agent like Jessica Yeah she was a bene gesserit
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Yeah but I never considered she was like working at a job
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I feel like they did my girl Alia dirty in the second book. Falling out with your own close family is so sad. Makes the tone feel darker than the first book, and it never lets up for the entire rest of the series.
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I'm bummed we'll never get to movies with the Honored Matres.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:More proof that Dune is anime. Hwi is a literal anime waifu whose dilemma is that she cannot consummate her love for her 3300 year old virgin teenage boy friend who is also a giant monster penis. Yeah, not only is Dune anime it is the worst kind of anime, it's multiple awful forms of anime rolled together into one.
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StashAugustine posted:idk, i think they pretty much got the idea that leto is willing to risk saving his men and prioritizes them above money (or, cynically, thinks its good to be seen doing that); its just paul having the first onset of his visions that messes it up Why doesn't the crew just ride on the carryall?
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:this point that Duke Atreides is morale and good is honestly pretty irrelevant to the story. Dude dies in like the next scene and his little governorship is over. Lol they are all fascist nobles and insane zealots. There's no morale in this sci-fi dream.
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Dude better sell some pizzas inspired by Dune. 1 layer of cinnamon 1 layer of cumin (it's inedible)
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Dude better sell some pizzas inspired by Dune. Cumin deez nuts
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The Bloop posted:I actually forgot to mention this. I don't remember the Suk having any special powers in the book but I don't think it described the examination at all and I liked that they gave them something similar but different to what the bene gesserit and what the mentats do Yeah, I loved that element and it was a neat little  moment when I realized what he was doing because it fits in so perfectly with the rest of the setting. "Holy poo poo, Suks are basically medical mentats!"Groovelord Neato posted:I'm bummed we'll never get to movies with the Honored Matres. Guildenstern Mother posted:There's enough sex in it HBO might pick it up I had that exact thought at one point, there's no way to make PG-13 versions of the Horny Sequels that are anywhere near as faithful to the source material. That said, and this may earn me a trip to the pain amplifier... I don't really feel like the sequels need to be made into movies. Like, I appreciate DUNC for putting this weird-rear end universe into a very well executed visual format. But the sequels, especially the Horny Sequels (GEoD and onward), wouldn't really tread any new ground with the visual aesthetic, or they focus more on the political and interpersonal machinations of the characters that don't benefit much from a film adaptation. I mean sure, it would be great to see Benedict Cumberbatch or whoever monologuing as a giant penis worm, but OG Dune lends itself a lot better to being a straightforward plot and adaptation than any of the sequels.
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James Spader as the worm If I'm going to hear someone just verbally masturbate for three hours I want it to be him
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Ithle01 posted:Hwi is a literal anime waifu whose dilemma is that she cannot consummate her love for her 3300 year old virgin teenage boy friend who is also a giant monster penis. Yeah, not only is Dune anime it is the worst kind of anime, it's multiple awful forms of anime rolled together into one.
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Phlegmish posted:Alia... Falling out Hehehe The Bloop posted:James Spader as the worm David Spade as the prosthetic dick
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Vampire Panties posted:EDIT - Jessica knew what she was doing, full stop, and just drank that worm-drank. Its been a while since I've read the book, and Dune 1984 drops the ball, but I guess I just don't understand Jessica's motivation. Jessica did not know what she was doing. She thought it was cute that the Fremen used the term RM, quote:Pass within, she thought. An odd way of putting it. But the rest of it fitted into the cant well enough. And she felt a cynical bitterness at what she had done. Our Missionaria Protectiva seldom fails. A place was prepared for us in this wilderness. The prayer of the salat has carved out our hiding place. Now . . . I must play the part of Auliya, the Friend of God . . . Sayyadina to rogue peoples who've been so heavily imprinted with our Bene Gesserit soothsay they even call their chief priestesses Reverend Mothers. She also doesn't know what the ritual is to become a Fremen RM (or indeed a BG RM, that they all use the spice is a retcon in the future books), just that it's potentially dangerous quote:The stuff in the sack had a bitter smell subtly akin to many poisons that she knew, but unlike them, too.
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