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wilderthanmild posted:There's also the standard advice that you not take a counter offer from your employer when you have a solid offer in hand. It often creates an adversarial relationship going forward and if it took a threat of you leaving for them to do the right thing, are they really worth staying with? Yeah, the figure I heard is that you stick around for six months tops after retention. I do want to set up my team for success before I leave, so that wouldn't be the worst case scenario.
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There's so many red flags for your current place, I would definitely consider leaving. If neither of the two offers are enticing enough to make it an obvious choice, I would keep interviewing until you get one that is an obvious improvement. There's way too many opportunities to consider trying to fix a leaking/sinking ship.
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Not sure what thread I should post this in, but I need some advice. Just for context, my background is that I'm currently a .NET programmer stuck in legacy code hell with a government contractor. It pays decently, I never work OT, and I get along well with the client and my team, so there's no real pressing need to leave. I received an offer for a fully remote front end position with a consultancy that comes with a 60% salary increase. They wanted me to start a month after the offer, and I accepted and have been waiting to give my two weeks. Tonight I get an email from the HR coordinator that goes over my role with one of the company's client and is asking me to schedule a meeting this Wednesday with them since the client likes to talk to each consultant individually. They also told me my role is going to be doing "QE Activites" so test design and development, executing the backlog of tests, yadda yadda. I guess there's a breakdown of these activities that the client will go over during this meeting I'm to attend. I haven't even signed the goddamn on boarding papers yet. Normally, I'd tell them to pound sand (in a polite way) until my actual start date, but I'm getting real pissed off at the thought going into a testing role without knowing it upfront. I interviewed specifically for the front end position and all discussions were based around that. I've also been in a similar job and was miserable in it. I'm gonna sleep on it but still, if anyone could help give me some perspective or something on what to do, it'd be greatly appreciated. Getting bad vibes here haha.
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Oct 26, 2021 02:13
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Is this the first offer you've received in your current search? If so, and you're not desperate to get out, it might not be a bad idea to keep looking.
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Oct 26, 2021 03:37
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Sounds like a headhunter got you a short term QA job QA is not terrible, but it's a pretty big step down career-wise. As a SWE, I would not accept anything with a 'Q' in the title Keep looking
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This is a very good market to be a developer in. You can definitely do better than a consulting place that apparently is willing to contract you out as a QA analyst or whatever. I'd be really worried that I'd be getting all kinds of unrelated computer touching assignments if their very first assignment for me was so unrelated to development. Like your next one might be cleaning up AD. Next your configuring Dynamics CRM. Then you're setting up a MySQL cluster.
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Oct 26, 2021 04:28
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oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu- *sprays blood from eyes as purple light streams from mouth and withered husk of body begins to writhe and bubble*
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Oct 26, 2021 04:32
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Achmed Jones posted:oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu- not empty quoting
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Oct 26, 2021 05:45
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Beatwad posted:Not sure what thread I should post this in, but I need some advice. Just for context, my background is that I'm currently a .NET programmer stuck in legacy code hell with a government contractor. It pays decently, I never work OT, and I get along well with the client and my team, so there's no real pressing need to leave. seems like a clear pass to me. if you do think you're underpaid for your experience with .NET though, it wouldn't hurt to keep applying elsewhere
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Oct 26, 2021 05:55
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Q: Why does our industry suck at quality so badly? A: Hadlock posted:QA is not terrible, but it's a pretty big step down career-wise. As a SWE, I would not accept anything with a 'Q' in the title But yeah, I wouldn't.
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Oct 26, 2021 13:38
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Never found quality bad at the teams I was on at Google but the companies where quality was bad either lacked automation for it or thought they could have separate people build the product and the tests. Some fell in both buckets. I wouldn't accept a job with Q in the title because it would make me worry it was one of the places where Q is separate from E. From a higher level, building test infrastructure as an engineer might be cool.
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Oct 26, 2021 13:47
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Beatwad posted:They also told me my role is going to be doing "QE Activites" so test design and development, executing the backlog of tests, yadda yadda. more red flags than the tiananmen square
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Btw how do folks feel about the Google SRE books as follow-ups to DDIA? Is there anything you feel would be a better fit or more appropriate? Also thinking of spending time collecting system design examples in different domains (e.g. ai or crypto) but not sure I have good enough general knowledge to pick a specialization to drill into. Or which specialization is likely to get me the most money over the next few years. In general I wanna upskill as efficiently as possible to satisfy two basic goals: 1. Personal satisfaction of being an actual expert at something 2. Have something that will still increase my career income if my business goals don't pan out oliveoil fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Oct 26, 2021 14:00
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you need to upgrade to gettin to eat meat andor vegetables instead of nuts and ramen and not gambling your fuckin money away, how about that (yeah yeah troll - i choose to participate in this kayfabe)
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Oct 26, 2021 14:06
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Welp looks like that's taken care of. Recruiter just called to let me know I got an offer and I accepted. $265k. Just under the $270-280k I was getting before, so probably the same grant value as before, just lower due to lack of stock appreciation. Was expecting them to offer me something ridiculously low like $200k.
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* not asking a google recruiter for more stock * accepting without knowing what the breakdown/initial grant is bait.gif
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Wait I can ask for more stock without a counteroffer? And I know the breakdown. First year is 150 salary, 15% bonus (~22), 93 equity. E: What I don't know is my previous breakdown. Salary was somewhere around 145-150. Total comp at vest was between 270 and 280. But I don't remember what the total value at grant was. So I'm not sure if it's the same value at grant but it seems likely. oliveoil fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Oct 26, 2021 16:39
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Achmed Jones posted:oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu- Seriously. Can I get "A stable, deliberate environment where employees can reasonably expect to work on a thing for more than a day before the company's entire strategy changes, and that the things they work on have an outside chance of seeing the light of day?" Anybody? No? Okay then...
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Oct 26, 2021 17:18
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Achmed Jones posted:oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu-
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Oct 26, 2021 17:43
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Getting to final interviews with a few companies. I hate scheduling these now because my days are so filled with meetings it's hard to find days I can take off or enough non-meeting blocks to accommodate spreading it out without taking days off. Also always fun taking like random Wednesdays off.
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Che Delilas posted:Seriously. Can I get "A stable, deliberate environment where employees can reasonably expect to work on a thing for more than a day before the company's entire strategy changes, and that the things they work on have an outside chance of seeing the light of day?" Go to a bigger company imo it's good
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Achmed Jones posted:oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu- lol gdi
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Am I a bad person if I still take an interview for a senior level position somewhere else? I wanna see if I actually pass it. I told them I wanted $350k/yr and they didn't bat an eye so I feel like their interview would probably be a good measure of what level I could function at. It's at a company I actually really want to work at one day but I'm not comfortable healthwise while joining a startup. Think I really need Google's relaxed culture and health insurance while I figure out what's wrong with me. Don't want to burn a bridge if I turn them down afterward. oliveoil fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Oct 26, 2021 21:21
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there are lots of startups wo crazy hours but shits dominated by law of small numbers also if theyre payin 350k they prolly also give you the good poo poo wrt insurance
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ultrafilter posted:Is this the first offer you've received in your current search? If so, and you're not desperate to get out, it might not be a bad idea to keep looking. Yeah that's the first offer and my current job isn't awful enough that I would leave for just about anything else. It's kind of a shame since they seemed normal up until that. Back to the grind I guess  Achmed Jones posted:oh! a dynamic fast paced environment where employees must thrive in ambiguity and challenge the status qu-
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oliveoil posted:I told them I wanted $350k/yr and they didn't bat an eye
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Honestly suspect I told them too little since that only seems average for senior SWEs at Google and I've heard that other companies in their sector have paid insane stuff like $400k. But I'm probably not gonna get it anyway. I may have read and understood DDIA but I haven't reviewed examples of real systems to look for patterns in how people have actually put all those pieces together, so I'm probably a couple weeks short of passing a senior level sys design interview. I also still haven't gotten through greedy algorithms, I haven't reviewed tree problems, and I don't remember how to analyze divide and conquer algorithms. There was a formula for it but I forgot it and how to apply it. So there's a big chance they toss me a greedy algorithm problem and I get completely lost or they want me to reconstruct a tree from pre and in orders and I take the whole interview to figure it out from scratch, or I get a divide and conquer solution up but can't explain the running time. Also still not super comfy with the language they interview in. Apparently all their interviews are done in Go and I started learning it seven days ago. bob dobbs is dead posted:there are lots of startups wo crazy hours but shits dominated by law of small numbers That's reassuring. If I somehow luck into it I'll feel better then. oliveoil fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 20:19
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oliveoil posted:Honestly suspect I told them too little since that only seems average for senior SWEs at Google and I've heard that other companies in their sector have paid insane stuff like $400k. Go was made for junior engineers at Google, so you should feel right at home there.
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I have a $50/month professional development budget and don't really know what to spend it on. My manager was pretty clear that as long as it is for personal growth (even for areas outside of work), he'll approve it. Any suggestions on what to use it on? I'm drawing a blank other than books?
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Oct 28, 2021 00:11
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Buy DDIA and some nootropics. Internalize it / them. Get a 400k+ job.
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iloverice posted:I have a $50/month professional development budget and don't really know what to spend it on. My manager was pretty clear that as long as it is for personal growth (even for areas outside of work), he'll approve it. Any suggestions on what to use it on? I'm drawing a blank other than books? Udemy courses? Creative hobbies? Electronics kits/projects? Rosetta stone?
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iloverice posted:I have a $50/month professional development budget and don't really know what to spend it on. My manager was pretty clear that as long as it is for personal growth (even for areas outside of work), he'll approve it. Any suggestions on what to use it on? I'm drawing a blank other than books? classic is homelab, related subscriptions. software (eg vmware). maybe design software or similar if that's your jam id try to use it for dumbass ham radio projects if theyd count it
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iloverice posted:My manager was pretty clear that as long as it is for personal growth (even for areas outside of work), he'll approve it. Any suggestions on what to use it on? I'm drawing a blank other than books? More seriously, a lynda.com (excuse me, LinkedIn Learning) subscription.
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iloverice posted:I have a $50/month professional development budget and don't really know what to spend it on. My manager was pretty clear that as long as it is for personal growth (even for areas outside of work), he'll approve it. Any suggestions on what to use it on? I'm drawing a blank other than books? $50 bottles of wine; improve your palate and wine knowledge.
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Had a chance to talk with a hiring manager at dream company late this afternoon. Got the impression they want people who have their heads down coding all day rather than people doing more ambiguous stuff like Google's HMs. Don't like it. Don't want to work on a dev team where work orders just come in from the business side and you mindlessly implement. Could be a multimillionaire within a few years if I got in. Would be an absolutely miserable few years though and I still think I can make a few mil again on my own so my enthusiasm has waned. Still love the product but I hate the idea of being some second-rate part of the business that just churns out product to spec. Really doesn't feel like an engineer-first culture like other tech cos. oliveoil fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 28, 2021 |
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whats the company
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That would dox me but it's a cryptocurrency company. If you're bullish on crypto and a specific company then finding one that'll give you four years of their token rather than four years of RSUs is a much better lottery ticket than a startup because crypto tokens seem to 10x way more often than startups do. If you get $200k/yr in tokens over 4 years and the token multiplies by 10, congrats, you're making $8mil in four years. All you'd need from them is for their token to 10x and you'd be set.
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oliveoil posted:That would dox me but it's a cryptocurrency company. is there a word for an obvious troll that's become really entertaining?
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