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Won’t regular autopilot change lanes if you put the turn signal on?
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Oct 26, 2021 14:22
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PenisMonkey posted:Won’t regular autopilot change lanes if you put the turn signal on? No, you get a little pop up stating you need to manually change lanes. I think Enhanced Auto Pilot did that but as far as I know you can't get that anymore.
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Oct 26, 2021 14:27
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Decent ACC helps out a ton with traffic fatigue. But even then you have to be alert and aware of the dumbasses that see a car length of space and think I GO FASTER THIS LANE and just try to gun it over without care. My wife's 2017 minivan has a more natural and cozy ACC than her 2014 i3 did, and I wager it's the increased number of cameras on the car that contributes.
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Oct 26, 2021 14:36
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:No. Its honestly a sad mess of hype being punched by reality. Yeah I agree. I like adaptive cruise. Lane keep, I guess it's a nice to have, but what else am I going to do with my hands, I might as well use one to keep the car in between the lines. But sometimes there's a cool flock of goats by the side of the road and you look at the goats and the car starts wandering toward the goats, lane keep can bail you out there so you don't terrify your wife in the passenger seat and every time there's goats beside the road get told "uh oh, look out, there's goats beside the road".
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Oct 26, 2021 14:48
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Yeep posted:
This is my worry, as I have been looking for an EV for commuting like OP. Don’t think I would invest in a Chademo vehicle.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:07
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 I’ve got a big battery Leaf and have used fast chargers 3 times, mostly for the sake of using the EVGo credit you get and less because I actually needed it. Commuting + L2 charging at home = virtually no need for fast charging. I don’t even have very good L2 charging because the electrician said electrician things about it. Mine is like 12 miles/hour I think? Which is enough for me to charge once a week and be good. I think the bigger reason to avoid a Leaf is the utter lack of battery conditioning
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Oct 26, 2021 15:25
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Sonic Dude posted:
I'm pretty sure your Y doesn't have radar, so perhaps that implementation is a bit different. I think the Tesla TACC is pretty smooth but I've only driven it with radar. As for changing lanes, I like how the MEBs work. You can just steer a bit, change lanes, whatever, it doesn't disconnect the travel assist. Let go and it keeps on assisting. Might be a bit unnerving if you're used to being able to cancel it like that.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:32
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VideoGameVet posted:Hyundai Ionic? In terms of legroom, I'll cosign this. I'm 6'5" and fit fairly well into a 2020 Ioniq. Not as roomy as a Sonata (wish they still made PHEV Sonatas) but it's fine.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:41
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OldSenileGuy posted:Maybe I’m a weirdo but I really have no desire for that level of autonomy and really just want them to perfect highway “on-ramp to off-ramp” with hands free autopilot. I've said this in the past but I don't think autonomous driving for modern cities is possible without vehicle to vehicle networking which will require government regulation to establish a standard and a bunch of hardware that isn't in most cars right now. That's without going into the pedestrian challenges in an urban environment. To answer your question though - I've used Autopilot and navigate on autopilot a fair bit on the highway and it's pretty darned good in most situations. Takes all of the stress out of highway driving, you arrive very relaxed. In a year I might have a handful of driver takeovers, usually related to other drivers doing weird poo poo or the car being a bit too apprehensive. It is still not hands off/eyes off though and frankly never should be when you're traveling at those speeds.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:25
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PenisMonkey posted:Won’t regular autopilot change lanes if you put the turn signal on? Not without FSD. There’s not even a popup, it just disengages autosteer (maintains speed though) when you turn the wheel, and putting on the blinker significantly lowers the resistance to turning the wheel. Then you get in the new lane and double-pull to re-engage it. Nissan’s was nice because the blinker disengages steering immediately, and then it re-engages automatically when you get to the center of another lane. Ola posted:I'm pretty sure your Y doesn't have radar, so perhaps that implementation is a bit different. I think the Tesla TACC is pretty smooth but I've only driven it with radar. Correct, I have “Tesla Vision,” which is pretty
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Oct 26, 2021 16:28
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Sonic Dude posted:Not without FSD. There’s not even a popup, it just disengages autosteer (maintains speed though) when you turn the wheel, and putting on the blinker significantly lowers the resistance to turning the wheel. Then you get in the new lane and double-pull to re-engage it. Nissan’s was nice because the blinker disengages steering immediately, and then it re-engages automatically when you get to the center of another lane. Yeah this is my biggest beef with basic Autopilot. It's such an arbitrary restriction and clearly intended to push people to upgrade to the absurdly expensive FSD option. Up here you can't even buy navigate on autopilot by itself outside of very limited promo windows, usually tied to quarter end pushes.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:31
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OldSenileGuy posted:Maybe I’m a weirdo but I really have no desire for that level of autonomy and really just want them to perfect highway “on-ramp to off-ramp” with hands free autopilot. Not sure about anyone else but Ford definitely hasn't.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:33
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The days of free CircleK charging is over. I'm not too sad though. Often wait times, chargers that didn't work or were slow as hell. Worked out pretty well with a "Mer" charging account for 450kWh a month for about $45 a month. Decent per kWh prices if I exceed that. Will last me my commute no problem, and a bonus is that I can put the car on charge 5min from work.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:38
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PenisMonkey posted:Won’t regular autopilot change lanes if you put the turn signal on?      
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Oct 26, 2021 16:48
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Sonic Dude posted:Not without FSD. There’s not even a popup, it just disengages autosteer (maintains speed though) when you turn the wheel, and putting on the blinker significantly lowers the resistance to turning the wheel. Then you get in the new lane and double-pull to re-engage it. Nissan’s was nice because the blinker disengages steering immediately, and then it re-engages automatically when you get to the center of another lane. lovely about needing FSD for auto lane change but if it makes you feel better mine has radar and will also launch itself as the car in front starts just creeping.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:49
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Russian Bear posted:How badly can a bicycle bully a tesla in fsd mode at slow speed? Asking for a friend. Also, for whatever it's worth the email I got before the software was pushed to my car is pretty explicit that this is not "take a nap in your car" quality. Tesla posted:Full Self-Driving is in limited early access Beta and must be used with additional caution. It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel and pay extra attention to the road. Do not become complacent. When Full Self-Driving Beta is enabled, your vehicle will make lane changes off highway, select forks to follow your navigation route, navigate around other vehicles and objects, and make left and right turns. Use Full Self-Driving Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately, especially around blind corners, crossing intersections, and in narrow driving situations. Every driver is responsible for remaining alert and active when using Autopilot and must be prepared to take action at any time.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:53
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Our Model 3 played the "what key?" game this morning. After the software update last night, my wife had to update her android app. She then drove our daughter to school, only to find that her phone key no longer was active when she tried to leave. Key card was conveniently at home on our mantle...
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Oct 26, 2021 16:56
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the spyder posted:Our Model 3 played the "what key?" game this morning. After the software update last night, my wife had to update her android app. She then drove our daughter to school, only to find that her phone key no longer was active when she tried to leave. Key card was conveniently at home on our mantle... Does Tesla have anything for an emergency backup? With Ford if your Phone As A Key stops working you can punch your pin code into the door to open the car and then you have a password set you type into the dash to start the car.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:04
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bird with big dick posted:Does Tesla have anything for an emergency backup? With Ford if your Phone As A Key stops working you can punch your pin code into the door to open the car and then you have a password set you type into the dash to start the car. Even if your phone isn’t paired as a key, if you’re logged in to the app you can unlock and start the car remotely. If I remember right, the app asks for your account password and gives you a limited amount of time to start the vehicle.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:17
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bird with big dick posted:Does Tesla have anything for an emergency backup? With Ford if your Phone As A Key stops working you can punch your pin code into the door to open the car and then you have a password set you type into the dash to start the car. I keep my black credit card key in my wallet. It hardly takes up any space and on the off chance I forget my phone somewhere/it stops pairing to the car I can still drive.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:39
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Russian Bear posted:How badly can a bicycle bully a tesla in fsd mode at slow speed? Asking for a friend. I've been saying for years that once cars drive themselves, only the rich will be able to afford manual driving, and they will absolutely use this to be dicks to everyone else, counting on the robots making split-second coffee-spilling avoidance maneuvers. If there's one thing you can count on, it's (a subset of) rich people using their money to be complete assholes.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:57
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the spyder posted:Our Model 3 played the "what key?" game this morning. After the software update last night, my wife had to update her android app. She then drove our daughter to school, only to find that her phone key no longer was active when she tried to leave. Key card was conveniently at home on our mantle... That sucks, I'm sorry it happened to you. This is why I keep the key strapped to my driver license.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:58
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bird with big dick posted:Does Tesla have anything for an emergency backup? With Ford if your Phone As A Key stops working you can punch your pin code into the door to open the car and then you have a password set you type into the dash to start the car. I always liked that about the fords having the keypads on there. Seemed like a good idea if you get locked out for whatever reason. I think Subaru has something similar too, so you don’t have to take your keys with you when whitewater kayaking or whatever it is Subaru owners get up to.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:17
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Aino Minako posted:Even if your phone isn’t paired as a key, if you’re logged in to the app you can unlock and start the car remotely. If I remember right, the app asks for your account password and gives you a limited amount of time to start the vehicle. You can also add another account owner who can do this for you as well. I always keep the black card in my wallet and have only ever needed it a few times.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:36
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priznat posted:I always liked that about the fords having the keypads on there. Seemed like a good idea if you get locked out for whatever reason. I think Subaru has something similar too, so you don’t have to take your keys with you when whitewater kayaking or whatever it is Subaru owners get up to. Yeah the keypad comes in handy more often than you'd think, lot of times I'd be out in the yard and want to get something out of my truck and I could just use the keypad without having to go fetch the fob. I've also used it when my truck was sitting in the driveway and a friend wanted to drop something off at my house I just gave them the code to the truck and they put it in there rather than leave it on the porch. And the Mach-E takes it a big step further. I can lose the fob (if I carried one), and my wallet, and my phone, and still be able to not only get inside the car but be able to drive it home. Or give the codes to someone else in an emergency and they could. So presumably it will all get hacked and there will be a rash of Mach-E thefts.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:56
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bird with big dick posted:So presumably it will all get hacked and there will be a rash of Mach-E thefts. This will just bring back nostalgia for Mustang owners so it could work out well! A friend of mine had an old 5.0 mustang that got stolen about 4 times before the insurance co finally just wrote it off.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:03
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Lol My current and last Ford both had a feature where if you were behind someone slow and turned your blinker on to pass it accelerates automatically. No auto lane change yet though.
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Oct 26, 2021 21:28
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The Gunslinger posted:I've said this in the past but I don't think autonomous driving for modern cities is possible without vehicle to vehicle networking which will require government regulation to establish a standard and a bunch of hardware that isn't in most cars right now. That's without going into the pedestrian challenges in an urban environment. The way I explain this to non-technical folks when they ask is as follows:
If they ask questions then I'll elaborate on each point in more detail. When I make the first point online, someone who has just enough technical knowledge to be dangerous will usually respond by saying "oh, Tesla just needs a bit more training data". In addition to being a textbook example of the nonsensical "sufficiently smart compiler" argument, this argument also fundamentally misunderstands how deep models "learn"; beyond a certain threshold you need exponentially (literally, not figuratively) more training data for incremental improvements in accuracy. At their core, deep learning models are a bubbling cauldron of linear algebra, calculus, and statistics that are virtually indecipherable to humans. This means they react in unpredictable and counterintuitive ways to "odd" scenarios, where "odd" is defined as "anything the model has not been sufficiently trained on". As long as cars are driving in urban environments, driving in natural environments, and reacting to vehicles driven by people, there will always be an unfathomably large number of "odd" scenarios. Advocates will respond by claiming those scenarios are "outliers", seemingly unaware that responding to exceptional situations is the whole drat point of a self-driving car! In other words, we don't care about the number of miles of straight, unobstructed highway that the car can drive down without incident; we care about how the car responds when there is an emergency vehicle on the shoulder, unexpected pedestrians, or a family of geese crossing the road in a weird place. Another argument I hear is that the system can just disengage when it encounters an "odd" scenario. As a previous comment pointed out, these systems often don't even realize that they are in an "odd" situation. Even when they do, there are decades of studies on human context switching which show that it can take several seconds for a human to become fully aware of the situation, make a decision, and respond appropriately. The last few paragraphs are why I tell people that the current self-driving systems do do not "fail-safe" (point #2). If the combined computing power and expertise of Tesla, Google, and several other tech companies are unable to adequately solve a problem with a given piece of technology, then it's fair to say "the technology to solve that problem does not yet exist" (point #1). The reason I tell people that Full Self Driving is a scam (point #3) is because Tesla's engineers are well aware of all of the problems above, yet Tesla as a company continues to dishonestly market what amounts to a limited driver assist program as if it is either much more powerful, or will be "soon". For what it's worth, I'm fine with self-driving systems operating at limited speeds in a geofenced area, provided there is sufficient testing, independent model validation, and strong regulatory oversight. Edit: Fix typos.
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Oct 26, 2021 21:30
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the spyder posted:Our Model 3 played the "what key?" game this morning. After the software update last night, my wife had to update her android app. She then drove our daughter to school, only to find that her phone key no longer was active when she tried to leave. Key card was conveniently at home on our mantle... I've had this happen a couple of times (Model 3, Android phone). Usually hurling profanity at the car, waking up the phone, or toggling Bluetooth is enough to make things cooperate. I also keep the card in my wallet like another comment suggested, but I've never had to use it.
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Oct 26, 2021 21:39
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What's happening in the video?
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Oct 27, 2021 02:04
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The cars either slowly drifting into another lane due to road crowning or she’s fingertip steering it like a planchette on a loving ouija board
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Oct 27, 2021 02:12
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Lol wrong thread
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Oct 27, 2021 09:35
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I've found the driver assist in the Kia Niro very helpful in a mostly unobtrusive way. It mostly just gently nudges you around corners in a way you don't really notice unless you try to steer against it. It does a good job of staying in lane in the dark too which is nice on country roads when you can't see the lines. The ACC is pretty smooth, the only time I've had problems is when the car in front goes around a bend for long enough for it to think the road is clear and floor it up to the speed limit at a time when you should be slowing down for the corner and the solution to that is probably to not use it on winding back roads. As an added bonus, the lane assist yells at you if you straddle a bike lane, which as a cyclist makes me very happy.
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Oct 27, 2021 11:36
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bird with big dick posted:The cars either slowly drifting into another lane due to road crowning or she’s fingertip steering it like a planchette on a loving ouija board So she’s insisting the car will make an automatic lane change when she signals and then Ford stomps in and says this isn’t actually a thing?
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Oct 27, 2021 12:07
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QuarkJets posted:Today I became the first person in my state to own a 2022 Polestar 2, about a month early Post pics!!!
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Oct 27, 2021 13:47
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:So she’s insisting the car will make an automatic lane change when she signals and then Ford stomps in and says this isn’t actually a thing? Yep
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Oct 27, 2021 13:57
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QuarkJets posted:Today I became the first person in my state to own a 2022 Polestar 2, about a month early do a burn out the logo projected by the sunroof is hilarious
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Oct 27, 2021 13:58
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Post pics!!! Friggin seriously UGH We need to see pictures
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Oct 27, 2021 14:48
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What if Ford just forgot that they programmed this feature.
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Oct 27, 2021 15:23
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Yeep posted:I've found the driver assist in the Kia Niro very helpful in a mostly unobtrusive way. It mostly just gently nudges you around corners in a way you don't really notice unless you try to steer against it. It does a good job of staying in lane in the dark too which is nice on country roads when you can't see the lines. The ACC is pretty smooth, the only time I've had problems is when the car in front goes around a bend for long enough for it to think the road is clear and floor it up to the speed limit at a time when you should be slowing down for the corner and the solution to that is probably to not use it on winding back roads. That and the adaptive cruise work quite well. It's a nice benefit.
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