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wakaliwood figured out cgi gunplay 11 years ago, whats the big problem
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Oct 26, 2021 18:17
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Gutcruncher posted:but there’s pretty clear reasons a director would demand real guns on set Like Alec Baldwin's rider
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Oct 26, 2021 18:19
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GolfHole posted:wakaliwood figured out cgi gunplay 11 years ago, whats the big problem 
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Oct 26, 2021 18:19
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Sure the costumes are cgi enhanced and the environment is entirely CGI for 3/4 the movie but we must have real guns, having cgi muzzle flash and recoil is too immersion ruining
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Oct 26, 2021 18:19
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the solution is obviously to use humanoid robots with real guns and CGI the correct faces on in post
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Oct 26, 2021 18:20
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Is there anything that looks like the gunfight from Heat that's 100% CGI or does it all look cartoonish like Freddie Wong?
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Oct 26, 2021 18:20
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PinheadSlim posted:Is there anything that looks like the gunfight from Heat that's 100% CGI or does it all look cartoonish like Freddie Wong? Virtually every firefight in all of the John Wick movies are 100% CG (because they often have the gunshot and the person who is being shot in the same frame, so it wouldn't be safe to use even blanks in that scenario). So everyone who raves about the John Wick movies is praising CGI gunfights.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:23
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lol no. the CG guns look noticeably worse. CG has its place and is really useful but practical effects still look way better for certain applications.LanceHunter posted:Virtually every firefight in all of the John Wick movies are 100% CG (because they often have the gunshot and the person who is being shot in the same frame, so it wouldn't be safe to use even blanks in that scenario). So everyone who raves about the John Wick movies is praising CGI gunfights. yeah the guns look silly and cartoonish in that movie though, that's part of the whole style of the film. it doesn't work if you're making something like Saving Private Ryan imo.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:23
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We could outsource media production to developing nations with much looser safety and regulatory hurdles, and if a few people get killed it won’t make the news because they weren’t American.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:24
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LanceHunter posted:CGI guns, especially in TYOOL 2021, are perfectly fine unless you've got a completely dogshit vfx team (and if you've only got the budget for a dogshit vfx team, your production probably couldn't afford an armorer anyways). All the extremely boomer takes about CG being garbage are really ridiculous. I don't really give a poo poo. Melt every single gun in existence and make something useful out of it like graphics cards or cockrings.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:24
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PinheadSlim posted:Is there anything that looks like the gunfight from Heat that's 100% CGI or does it all look cartoonish like Freddie Wong? 
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Oct 26, 2021 18:25
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I'm all for strict gun control IRL but I think we should be allowed to have practical effects in movies and not do literally everything in front of a green screen.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:27
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LanceHunter posted:Virtually every firefight in all of the John Wick movies are 100% CG (because they often have the gunshot and the person who is being shot in the same frame, so it wouldn't be safe to use even blanks in that scenario). So everyone who raves about the John Wick movies is praising CGI gunfights. John Wick 1 and 3 do what they do quite well but I think it has much more to do with choreography and spectacle covering up for the passable but not great effects. This is why John Wick 2, which has the choreography of a 3rd person ps2 shooter, isn't very good That said there's like a billion awesome action movies (many of which are still grossly underappreciated) from the stone ages that use real guns and I wouldn't care much if they stopped using real guns on set for new movies. I can still watch Chow Yun Fat narrowly shoot a stuntman at point blank range between his arm pits with a blank firing gun until my eyeballs fall out and no one has to get hurt in 2021
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Oct 26, 2021 18:33
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given that is extremely unusual for somebody to be shot and killed on set, it seems to me as long as you hire qualified union professionals and allow them to do their job properly there shouldn't be a problem
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Oct 26, 2021 18:34
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They’d been plinking https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/ quote:The gun that killed “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins last Thursday was used by crew members that morning for live-ammunition target practice, an individual with knowledge of the set told TheWrap.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:35
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Further investigation reveals the crew mixed all their blanks and live rounds into a big "take a bullet, leave a bullet" bowl next to the catering tables.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:41
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Vegetable posted:They’d been plinking this suggests to me that the guns probably weren't being maintained properly in any way since apparently they didn't even bother cleaning them after doing this.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:43
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LanceHunter posted:Virtually every firefight in all of the John Wick movies are 100% CG (because they often have the gunshot and the person who is being shot in the same frame, so it wouldn't be safe to use even blanks in that scenario). So everyone who raves about the John Wick movies is praising CGI gunfights. The cgi is the ONE thing in John wick that doesn’t work though. It’s obvious why they use it but it looks like poo poo, but it’s a small complaint when the stunt work and itself is so great
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Oct 26, 2021 18:46
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It's halloween month and no one's even taken the smallest effort to go all pet sematary? That's the real criminal negligence here.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:48
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And to be clear I'm for increasing actor safety in any way but I just wasn't so sure that CGI had caught up to the practical effects from movies that try to be realistic, which is why my example was Heat and not something ridiculous lol.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:49
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Vegetable posted:They’d been plinking gently caress I was thinking it would be something like this ever since the rumors that people were shooting live rounds with the movie guns that's goddamn criminal negligence by the armourer
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Oct 26, 2021 18:52
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dr_rat posted:It's halloween month and no one's even taken the smallest effort to go all pet sematary? It's no good, Baldwin would just use the sematary to keep blowing people away
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Oct 26, 2021 18:53
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the whole production sounds like complete amateur hour lmfao
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Oct 26, 2021 18:55
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twit666 posted:My nephew does FX for movies. I asked him if there's a need for a gun that shoots on a set and here's what he said: Yes, there is absolutely 0% reason to ever have a working gun on a set (other than maybe for a security guard). I've done hundreds of gun blasts in my career. You add a tiny flash of fire for two frames and some stock smoke afterward. If you want to get fancy you can rotoscope the hand and the gun to make it kick back. You can even make the back part of the gun slide out for 3 frames. You can also add a little flash of light on the person firing the gun. But it's all so easy because it lasts 2 or 3 frames. I can do like 20 of them in a day. The cost of paying a gun specialist to load blanks into a working gun ($1,500 ish) is probably 50 times what I get paid to do one VFX gun blast ($25 ish). Corridor crew did a piece on this, and while it's nerdy and kind of nitpicky, the problem is that even on high profile movies like John Wick, the VFX doesn't get the look right. There was a danish startup that produced replica guns with muzzle flashes, that didn't use blanks. They were setup for some major work, but needed an investment and it never got off the ground.
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Oct 26, 2021 18:56
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i wonder if this is going to be bad enough to destroy the armorer's father's career too
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Oct 26, 2021 18:57
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Alec Baldwin and the armorer broke into my room the night before and launched clay pigeons into my rear end in a top hat while firing blanks at me while I was tied to the bed, all while cursing unions and OSHA regulations and I loved it.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:01
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-Competent unionized crew members walking off the set because of bad working and safety conditions created by a greedy production company -Replacing those crew members with random people found locally on the same day -Experienced assistant director who would cut corners and break safety policies under studio pressure to save money and at the same time thought they're bullshit anyway because he knows everything better than everybody else -Said assistant director having a documented history of putting people at risk on movie sets when guns and pirotechnics were used -Inexperienced armorer who got the gig via hollywood nepotism who publically admitted that loading blanks scares her because she has no idea about them -Movie guns that were supposed to be under the care of said armorer being used by the crew to shoot real ammunition on targets in their free time -The exact same accidental cold gun misfiring scenario happening on the set just a few days earlier although with nobody getting hurt What a loving clusterfuck circus
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Oct 26, 2021 19:02
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I think he's one trillion years old
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Oct 26, 2021 19:02
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(speaking confidently to extremely bored date as if i have known about this stuff for a long time) look, you never want to call cold gun without checking the chamber, period. And plinking should be out of the question on any set
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Oct 26, 2021 19:03
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Palpek posted:-Competent unionized crew members walking off the set because of bad working and safety conditions created by a greedy production company look we have no way to know if people on the set were aware of the safety issues that half a dozen crew members walked out over. let's not jump to conclusions that make the producers and alec baldwin look bad.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:03
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:(speaking confidently to extremely bored date as if i have known about this stuff for a long time) look, you never want to call cold gun without checking the chamber, period. And plinking should be out of the question on any set 
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Oct 26, 2021 19:04
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punishedkissinger posted:look we have no way to know if people on the set were aware of the safety issues that half a dozen crew members walked out over. let's not jump to conclusions that make the producers and alec baldwin look bad. and now they'll ALL die and that'll show the world what it's like when someone dies.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:06
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listen babe
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Oct 26, 2021 19:06
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Look, it's literally impossible to make a good movie with non-firing weapons and CGI muzzle flash. We just don't have enough teraflops because it's all being used for bitcoin
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Oct 26, 2021 19:11
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LanceHunter posted:Virtually every firefight in all of the John Wick movies are 100% CG (because they often have the gunshot and the person who is being shot in the same frame, so it wouldn't be safe to use even blanks in that scenario). So everyone who raves about the John Wick movies is praising CGI gunfights. lol at saying the cg in John Wick was good, especially compared to mother fuckin Heat
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Oct 26, 2021 19:15
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imho: use fake guns but bring back squibs filled with comical amounts of stage blood to compensate
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Oct 26, 2021 19:18
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clone the actors and shoot the clones, they aren’t real humans like us
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Oct 26, 2021 19:19
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This production seems likely to kill someone with squibs as well frankly
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Oct 26, 2021 19:19
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Use claymation
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Oct 26, 2021 19:21
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punishedkissinger posted:This production seems likely to kill someone with squibs as well frankly pretty soft girl posted:imho: use fake guns but bring back squibs filled with comical amounts of real blood to compensate
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