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Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

JacquelineDempsey posted:

Much like he tells Yueh that he can "join" Wanna. He's not lying, per se.

Which... I've seen some fan speculation that the spider gimp thing is Wanna; is there any evidence for that, that I missed? I mean, I assumed she was already dead and Spider-Gimp was just DV's equivalent of "look how gross and creepy the Harks are". Like when Rabban mashes a screaming octopus in a lucite juicebox and the Baron rips out some twink florist's heartplug in the 1984 version.

Also, thank you, David Lynch, for giving me the opportunity to write that last sentence.

I just thought it was a cool reference to Enemy.

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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









No, there's no evidence that's wanna.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
De Wanna Wonga

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




JacquelineDempsey posted:

Much like he tells Yueh that he can "join" Wanna. He's not lying, per se.

Which... I've seen some fan speculation that the spider gimp thing is Wanna; is there any evidence for that, that I missed? I mean, I always assumed she was already dead by the time Yueh shows up on Geidi Prime, and Spider-Gimp was just DV's equivalent of "look how gross and creepy the Harks are". Like when Rabban mashes a screaming octopus in a lucite juicebox and the Baron rips out some twink florist's heartplug in the 1984 version.

Also, thank you, David Lynch, for giving me the opportunity to write that last sentence.
Yueh mentions something about Harkonnens turning her into a doll, so I've been under the assumption that it's a red herring thrown in by Denis, as it's basically open to interpretation at this point.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

wanna? yeah, I Wanna gently caress that spider gimp

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Yueh mentions something about Harkonnens turning her into a doll,

He says they take her apart like a doll, nothing about turning her into one. They tortured her, then they killed her, they didn't make some weird loving chairdog out of her.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




Phanatic posted:

He says they take her apart like a doll, nothing about turning her into one. They tortured her, then they killed her, they didn't make some weird loving chairdog out of her.
Yeah, you're right. I'd forgotten the phrasing used in the movie.
I still maintain that it could be an intentional bit of misdirection, though as I've mentioned before ITT, I think it's pretty definitive that she's dead, since the Baron asks if Yueh wanted her to be set free so that Yueh could join her, and then proceeds to cut his head off - doesn't get much more explicit than that.

the heebie-gbs
Apr 23, 2007

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Phanatic posted:

He says they take her apart like a doll, nothing about turning her into one. They tortured her, then they killed her, they didn't make some weird loving chairdog out of her.

says you. i choose to believe they sid from toy story'd her arms off and jammed them onto that thing

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
*points at spider gimp* "the tleilaxu made that. you don't know what that is? here let me explain! blah blah blah" *a collective groan rolls across the audience*

the heebie-gbs
Apr 23, 2007

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uber_stoat posted:

*points at spider gimp* "the tleilaxu made that. you don't know what that is? here let me explain! blah blah blah" *a collective groan rolls across the audience*

the difference between regular nerd and insufferable nerd is knowing when to keep one's pet pet theories to oneself

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It's so weird that the track called Salusa Secundus isn't the throat singing in the movie. Was disappointed when I went to Hans Zimmer's channel.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Jewmanji posted:

I just thought it was a cool reference to Enemy.

Oh gently caress, this is definitely true

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

Great now I want a robocop 2 montage of all the prototype human-spiders that immediately hang themselves in their webs etc

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Love that the Baron is the super literal doctor from Arrested Development

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Its possible that Wanna was only killed after Yuen went through with it. My read is that it's irrelevant, the spider is there to briefly establish "you really, really don't want to be a captive of the Harkonnens" and whether it literally is her or just could be her is irrelevant

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006

StashAugustine posted:

Its possible that Wanna was only killed after Yuen went through with it.

Agreed. Yueh knew exactly what the Baron planned to do (kill Wanna and him), but she was being tortured until he went through with the betrayal, so he figured death was better than that.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
This post has transcended into the alam al mithal

skasion fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 27, 2021

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

My PIN is 4826 posted:

I liked this scene. I can't remember exactly how much the book reader knows about the Fremen agenda of re-greening Arrakis at that point in the story, but it was nice having a few hints of it scattered around part 1.

Paul IIRC susses it out in talking with Kynes during The Dinner Scene

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

Part 2 has me looking forward to reading the book again in the next couple of years

DebonaireD
May 7, 2007

The date palm scene is to show that although water is vital to life, there are things even more important than keeping individuals alive, like keeping alive the dreams of a people. Theres a bit in the book where Kynes remembers the Fremen asking how long her project of changing the face of Arrakis will take, and she says hundreds of years, expecting them to wail in anguish, but they're just like, yeah ok.
Speaking of dreams, the moment before all the production company logos where someone says dreams are messages from the deep, has any movie pre-empted studio logos with in-movie content before?

Cheap Trick
Jan 4, 2007

https://twitter.com/mayzierita/status/1451957628419014656

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

The date palm scene serves as a explainer for how precious water is, but I honestly wish the scenes with the water conservatory and the water-seller would've been included instead - they make it much more obvious, if you ask me.

I would love to have seen the water conservatory in particular. I get why they cut it since it's not critical, especially given the removal of the Fenrings and cutting back a lot of the build-up to the Harkonnen attack. But I'm sure it would have looked loving gorgeous in this movie, it's the perfect subject for some scenery porn. They seemed to give a little hint of it in the scene where Duncan finds the grow room in the ecological station, but that ended up not really being the same.

DebonaireD posted:

Speaking of dreams, the moment before all the production company logos where someone says dreams are messages from the deep, has any movie pre-empted studio logos with in-movie content before?

I'm drawing a blank on specific examples, but I feel that's a thing I've seen occasionally before. I know some directors like to mess with the studio logos themselves, like the Matrix turning the WB logo all green or Serenity turning the Universal logo into a wasted Earth.

I Greyhound
Apr 22, 2008

MusicKrew Dawn Patrol

DebonaireD posted:

The date palm scene is to show that although water is vital to life, there are things even more important than keeping individuals alive, like keeping alive the dreams of a people. Theres a bit in the book where Kynes remembers the Fremen asking how long her project of changing the face of Arrakis will take, and she says hundreds of years, expecting them to wail in anguish, but they're just like, yeah ok.
Speaking of dreams, the moment before all the production company logos where someone says dreams are messages from the deep, has any movie pre-empted studio logos with in-movie content before?

Tropic Thunder had fake previews (starting with a Booty Sweat fake ad) as the start of the film that rolled seamlessly from the real previews, so it's not unheard of.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
IIRC book Baron does indeed expect to kill the henchmen he sent to get rid of Paul and Jessica. When he's told the henchmen are dead he replies, "Of course they are", like duh, and then is surprised to learn that they were found dead already. Like, somebody killed the goons we were gonna kill before we got a chance.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Imagined posted:

IIRC book Baron does indeed expect to kill the henchmen he sent to get rid of Paul and Jessica. When he's told the henchmen are dead he replies, "Of course they are", like duh, and then is surprised to learn that they were found dead already. Like, somebody killed the goons we were gonna kill before we got a chance.

There's that bit with Jessica musing on her goon killers, and the goons sent to kill the goons, and the goons sent to kill the goons sent to kill the goons.

the heebie-gbs
Apr 23, 2007

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DebonaireD posted:

The date palm scene is to show that although water is vital to life, there are things even more important than keeping individuals alive, like keeping alive the dreams of a people. Theres a bit in the book where Kynes remembers the Fremen asking how long her project of changing the face of Arrakis will take, and she says hundreds of years, expecting them to wail in anguish, but they're just like, yeah ok.
Speaking of dreams, the moment before all the production company logos where someone says dreams are messages from the deep, has any movie pre-empted studio logos with in-movie content before?

some other folks have commented with examples of this type of preemption, but this is the first one i've seen that made everyone in an IMAX screening shut up and focus. it was comical...everyone heard the weird voice, stared at the blank screen, then down at the subtitle, and then just sat in eerie silence through the prologue. great mood-setter

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Tree Bucket posted:

There's that bit with Jessica musing on her goon killers, and the goons sent to kill the goons, and the goons sent to kill the goons sent to kill the goons.

How dumb or optimistic are hark goons anyway. Surely *I* will not be murdered for carrying out my duties like basically everyone before me!!

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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priznat posted:

How dumb or optimistic are hark goons anyway. Surely *I* will not be murdered for carrying out my duties like basically everyone before me!!
I imagine for the most part it is like the army and it is just if you happen to be so lucky as to be on detached duty for some kanly poo poo (as opposed to repairing Rabban's thopter) that you get waxed.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

DebonaireD posted:

The date palm scene is to show that although water is vital to life, there are things even more important than keeping individuals alive, like keeping alive the dreams of a people. Theres a bit in the book where Kynes remembers the Fremen asking how long her project of changing the face of Arrakis will take, and she says hundreds of years, expecting them to wail in anguish, but they're just like, yeah ok.

No, that was Pardot, in his appendix.

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

euphronius posted:

I definitely say har- KO - nen

Just say Härkönen.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
how is the balsamic vingarette dressing supposed to help the baron recover from the poison attack

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

how is the balsamic vingarette dressing supposed to help the baron recover from the poison attack

It's actually made of science, op

It just looks like salad oil

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Goons are obsessed with the gently caress-spider

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

how is the balsamic vingarette dressing supposed to help the baron recover from the poison attack

Yeah this is bullshit. In my family we get all our medical procedures done by a handsome Chinese fellow poking us in the bits

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

ElGroucho posted:

Goons are obsessed with the gently caress-spider

Yeah it was just some weird poo poo showing the harks are loving gross not oh that must be yueh’s wife!!

Plus wouldn’t Mohaim use her BG magic to determine it was one of her acolytes or whatever, smdh

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

uber_stoat posted:

in honor of DUNC i finally bought that Folio Dune that i've been ruminating about. most expensive book i ever bought. lmao

I have such sights to show you.

Note that signed in this case means failson, Swanwick (intro), and Molnar (artist).

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DebonaireD
May 7, 2007

Fuschia tude posted:

No, that was Pardot, in his appendix.

Ahhh good call, mmm ahh mmm, hmm uhm ahh.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

skasion posted:

Yeah this is bullshit. In my family we get all our medical procedures done by a handsome Chinese fellow poking us in the bits

The New Caladan Times Opinion Section posted:

A lot of people are complaining that it's impossible to get ahead in this imperium. It's not easy, but I have five simple steps for success that anyone can follow:

1. Be diligent with your stillsuit wearing.
2. Make spice coffee at home with your own spit.
3. Share sandworm rides instead of chartering expensive ornithopters.
4. Be the fabulously wealthy son of one of the most powerful men in the galaxy, trained and bred from hundreds of generations to become an unstoppable psychic god-emperor.
5. Believe in yourself and work hard every day!

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"
Speaking of the New York Times, Paul Krugman just used his column to positively review Dune (and contrast it to the lame Foundation TV show):

quote:

And yes, it’s fun. When I was a teenager, my friends and I would engage in mock combat in which the killing blow had to be delivered slowly to penetrate your opponent’s shield — which will make sense if you read the book or watch the movie.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/opinion/dune-movie-foundation-series.html

:goonsay:

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Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

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William Bear posted:

Speaking of the New York Times, Paul Krugman just used his column to positively review Dune (and contrast it to the lame Foundation TV show):

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/opinion/dune-movie-foundation-series.html

:goonsay:

Any show with shirtless Lee Pace, by definition, cannot be lame.

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