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Kuvo
Oct 27, 2008

Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/MachinePix/status/1448024423810928648

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Given the relative density between the vehicle and the medium it's traveling through, has more in common with a submarine than an airplane at this point

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye
A while back I bought an analog Explorer LR4 on a whim when it was on blowout for 130 bucks. I slapped a crossfire setup on it that had been sitting in my shop doing nothing and after finally getting that working it’s best with the latest firmware I am having a blast with this little thing. I previously had zero interest in long range but going out and back a couple miles is a huge thrill. I printed a Session mount for it and it actually takes pretty good footage.

I have some LiIon packs on the way for it, I want to get out and back 5km…will have to drop the Session for that obviously.

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Do any of you guys use a cuav v5 nano and/or a radiolink AT9S Pro transmitter with an R9DS receiver? I built a kit and although I believe I've soldered and wired everything correctly, I can't get it to arm. The transmitter is showing 4 bars that disappear when the drone is unplugged from the battery.
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I believe this means the receiver is bound to the transmitter. But I can't get the motors to spin. The props haven't been attached yet. I do not yet know if the motors spin in the correct direction - they do not spin at all.

I went through the steps in the assembly instructions leading up to arming the transmitter a few times.
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But my step 5 is different because I have a v5 nano instead of the apm 2.8 that came with the kit. But that shouldn't effect the transmitter's arming. I think.

I followed the directions but it feels like I missed a step. There's a safety button on the GPS. Pushing the button can give either three tones or two tones. I don't know which one means "armed." Or maybe is it like a DJI product where you have to press the button twice? The manufacturers documentation https://doc.cuav.net/flight-controller/v5-autopilot/en/v5-nano.html doesn't mention anything about the gps safety button.


I deviated from the manufacturers instructions with one piece of hardware and now I don't know what to do. Are there some generic 1st time setup steps I could follow?

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
I'm not super experienced. Your arming switch could be on a different output/input than expected. Can you hook the receiver up to a computer, to confirm current settings for arming, that the gyros are working and reading level when level, what angle inhibits arming, etc?

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

DreadLlama posted:

Do any of you guys use a cuav v5 nano and/or a radiolink AT9S Pro transmitter with an R9DS receiver? I built a kit and although I believe I've soldered and wired everything correctly, I can't get it to arm. The transmitter is showing 4 bars that disappear when the drone is unplugged from the battery.
.
I believe this means the receiver is bound to the transmitter. But I can't get the motors to spin. The props haven't been attached yet. I do not yet know if the motors spin in the correct direction - they do not spin at all.

I went through the steps in the assembly instructions leading up to arming the transmitter a few times.
.
But my step 5 is different because I have a v5 nano instead of the apm 2.8 that came with the kit. But that shouldn't effect the transmitter's arming. I think.

I followed the directions but it feels like I missed a step. There's a safety button on the GPS. Pushing the button can give either three tones or two tones. I don't know which one means "armed." Or maybe is it like a DJI product where you have to press the button twice? The manufacturers documentation https://doc.cuav.net/flight-controller/v5-autopilot/en/v5-nano.html doesn't mention anything about the gps safety button.


I deviated from the manufacturers instructions with one piece of hardware and now I don't know what to do. Are there some generic 1st time setup steps I could follow?


https://ardupilot.org/copter/docs/parameters.html#arming-check-arm-checks-to-perform-bitmask
Set this to 0. (AND TAKE THE PROPS OFF FIRST!)

Enable one item at the time to find out what's blocking.
You are following an ardupilot guide, right?

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Negative. Do you have a link to one?

edit: For example, before editing bitmasks, I think I am a few steps behind you. Do you mean I should plug a usb port into the FC and run mission planner? I will download the "stable" version.

2edit: Ok. Parameters are under "Config".

Edit3: I'm lost again. Is this under "advanced parameters," "full planner tree," "full parameter list," or am I looking in completely the wrong place?

4Update: I found the radio calibration screen. Mission planner sees my stick inputs. This confirms the radio is connected. Could I get the "explain like I'm 5" version of how to edit parameters?

DreadLlama fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Oct 19, 2021

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYsWjANuAm4qJ8Lko-3xiYNGb2Hh22rDw

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Thank You!

edit: I didn't know that pixhawks shipped without firmware. I wonder if that's what my problem is.

2edit: Can anyone confirm, https://firmware.ardupilot.org/Copter/stable/CUAVv5Nano/ is the correct download "arducopter_with_bl.hex"?

If the accelerometers are working does that mean it already has firmware on it? I got a warning message that updating the bootloader can brick your board and I chickened out.

DreadLlama fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 19, 2021

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

You will need to load the appropriate firmware for just about any pixhawk.
I strongly suggest doing a lot more research and reading.

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
I agree with you. Right now it feels like this vehicle is never going to take-off. I don't believe I even know of all the things I don't know. Right now I'm reading https://ardupilot.org/planner/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html and will probably be for a while.

It's funny. When I first started I thought the soldering would be the most difficult part.

edit:

What wiki page do I read to diagnose this error?

2edit: It turns out the correct file was "arducopter.apj" not "arducopter.hex" hooray.
So far I've been able to upload firmware and calibrate accelerometers and compass.

3edit: And I'm lost again.
His servos say they're motors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zTS_ZuHLb0&t=1121s

Mine are just empty boxes.

What did I miss? I can't find a wiki page about defining motors/servos.

And it's working now.

Did you know that turning it off and on again doesn't just work for computers?

Update5: HOLY CRAP IT ARMED. I got the motors to spin and everything. Now I understand why you build drones. This is crazy! I can't believe it's working.

Update6: Ok dopamine is starting to wear off. Can you believe only one motor spun in the wrong direction? I have gps lock. Thank you again for that youtube series. I'm only on the third video and it almost feels like I could possibly take off maybe. If this were a dji drone and the motors were spinning the right way and there was gps lock I would probably take off. Somehow I have a vague uneasy feeling like that wouldn't yet be prudent. I'm going to finish that youtube series.

Update7: I have battery voltage!


This ardupilot.org wiki is really well thought out. You just follow along and it builds your quad for you.

ImplicitAssembler posted:

You will need to load the appropriate firmware for just about any pixhawk.
I strongly suggest doing a lot more research and reading.
This is good advice.

DreadLlama fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Oct 20, 2021

Enos Shenk
Nov 3, 2011


DreadLlama posted:

It's funny. When I first started I thought the soldering would be the most difficult part.

Ardupilot has the worst aspects of opensource projects. Bizarrely incomplete documentation, finicky everything, and hordes of posts on forums describing problems that if you're lucky maybe end with "Hey I fixed it" and no explanation of how. I had a Matek f405 board I got to try and get a plane flying stable enough to let my 76 year old father take a spin on the controls. It mostly worked, but I was running inav firmware which was modern and easy to set up.

A while ago I got the urge to slap it onto an RC car and run the Ardupilot rover firmware. It took at least 5 days just to get it moving around. That mission planner software is the jankiest piece of janky poo poo that ever janked. The loving thing still doesn't have an arm/disarm because the stability system refuses to let it work (Giving you the gloriously unhelpful error message 'MAV refused command') It gets a perfectly fine GPS lock and everything is calibrated, it will even run all auto functions. But arm/disarm? gently caress outta here, AHRS unhealthy. It mostly works, and it's fun to gently caress about with but half the time it still refuses to work after turning everything on for mysterious reasons.

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
I am a living Dunning-Kruger example. I haven't gotten to the genuinely confusing/frustrating stuff. I don't know how long it would have taken me to figure out that I needed to flash the firmware on the flight controller. I mean, I guess you wouldn't expect an arduino to come with a program already on it, and a pixhawk is an arduino, so one shouldn't expect it to ship empty. I guess it makes sense. But I don't get why there would be .hex files uploaded for hardware that can't use them - unless there's a different version of this specific FC that requires .hex files and can't use .apj. It probably speaks to my lack of knowledge that I would assume there's only one kind of CUAV v5 nano. I'm finding out that there's a lot of basic newbie stuff that one might not think of at first glance. For example carbon fiber is a conductor and you can't just leave your RX antenna in contact with your frame and expect good reception. You have to separate them, so be prepared to spend $0.35 on a 3D printed antenna stand from China if you didn't know that already.

I wish I could help you, but I didn't even know what AHRS is until I googled it just now and have you tried calibrating your compass outside? I can't remember where I read it specifically but calibrations done indoors not working outdoors is A Thing That Happens Sometimes.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

DreadLlama posted:

and a pixhawk is an arduino,

No it's not.
https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/common-history-of-ardupilot.html

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Well I stand corrected.

deong
Jun 13, 2001

I'll see you in heck!
This is cool. https://www.jetsonaero.com/
Drone big enough to ride in. Taking pre-orders now. 22k deposit, 92k total. Comes as a kit to be assembled at home. 20 min flight time for 187lb riders.

https://youtu.be/FzhREYOK0oo

I wondered when we'd get to this.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

deong posted:

This is cool. https://www.jetsonaero.com/
Drone big enough to ride in. Taking pre-orders now. 22k deposit, 92k total. Comes as a kit to be assembled at home. 20 min flight time for 187lb riders.

https://youtu.be/FzhREYOK0oo

I wondered when we'd get to this.

https://composite-fx.com/models/xet/
You can get a turbine heli for the same price with the same licensing requirements (none), with higher top speed and and 2 hour range for freedom sized pilots. (up to 240lbs).

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

ImplicitAssembler posted:

https://composite-fx.com/models/xet/
You can get a turbine heli for the same price with the same licensing requirements (none), with higher top speed and and 2 hour range for freedom sized pilots. (up to 240lbs).

*Engine not included

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Hadlock posted:

*Engine not included

~$25k for a decent Solar T-62.

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

ImplicitAssembler posted:

https://composite-fx.com/models/xet/
You can get a turbine heli for the same price with the same licensing requirements (none), with higher top speed and and 2 hour range for freedom sized pilots. (up to 240lbs).

Yes but helicopters are old news. Multirotors are far better because they don’t have any confusing engines or linkages that would otherwise keep startup bros grounded. Helis may be an order of magnitude more efficient and can autorotate with a power system failure, instead of killing the operator instantly, but they are too boring and hard and not disruptive enough to the flying space.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

deong posted:

This is cool. https://www.jetsonaero.com/
Drone big enough to ride in. Taking pre-orders now. 22k deposit, 92k total. Comes as a kit to be assembled at home. 20 min flight time for 187lb riders.

https://youtu.be/FzhREYOK0oo

I wondered when we'd get to this.

Am I unreasonable for getting nervous that his body is on the same plane that the rotors are?

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Let’s be honest. That is way cooler than a helicopter.

It might not be safer, or more efficient, or even “better” but those things don’t get VC money.

Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 23, 2021

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Helicopters are just further into their design cycle, tell me people wouldn't be lining up to fund Igor's contraption if we hadn't already done it.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




i own every Bionicle posted:

can autorotate with a power system failure,

I don’t want to defend the bazingas here but my guess as to why it has 8 props instead of 4 is because it has two redundant power systems and in the event of a failure of one, the other one can take over and either fly, or if it isn’t powerful enough to sustain a hover, will slow the descent to something survivable, much like a footer going into autorotation.

I say this only because when you see a big drone carrying a $90,000 Hollywood-quality camera, that’s exactly why they have two sets of motors and props. If there is a failure anywhere along the line, the other set can at least land in a way that won’t destroy the camera or injure someone because the drone went into freefall

Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Oct 23, 2021

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Let’s be honest. That is way cooler than a helicopter.

It might not be safer, or more efficient, or even “better” but those things don’t get VC money.

Absolutely. Smaller and more nimble too I’m sure. Actually for a flying toy again to a motorcycle it probably is better for the same reasons multirotors have gotten popular with RC/fpv hobbyists. And having hosed around with quads, hexes, and octos, I agree WRT the safety of octos. Quads will always crash with a motor out, hexes are quite likely to crash with a motor out, but octos aren’t too bad.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_VTquJR6fg

Micr0chiP
Mar 17, 2007
Bought a used mavic and Im loving it, but now i caught the fpv bug and im starting to see were else i can spend my money.
I was thinking about buying a cetus fpv kit. Anyone has one that can give me feedback ?
I also found this on the facebook market near me, would this be better than the cetus kit?
I would at least have a controller that i can use with other drones.


160€

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Micr0chiP posted:

Bought a used mavic and Im loving it, but now i caught the fpv bug and im starting to see were else i can spend my money.
I was thinking about buying a cetus fpv kit. Anyone has one that can give me feedback ?
I also found this on the facebook market near me, would this be better than the cetus kit?
I would at least have a controller that i can use with other drones.


160€

It might be worth it, but I wouldn't spend a dime more than $120 for the whole thing. The transmitter is fine to start with (though beware that these newer models with ACCESS firmware won't support D8 protocol without an external module, which may be relevant if you're looking at buying any EMAX products in the future). The goggles are probably awful, and if they're anything like the VR006's I started with, really uncomfortable too.

The quad itself looks like it's from 2017-2018 based on its design (micros were really dense with huge motors and tiny props back then) and those batteries should be presumed to be worn out. I would be surprised if it had anything remotely modern like an F4 board, OSD, or SmartAudio/Tramp. Probably still way more fun to fly than a brushed whoop like the Cetus though.

Don't forget a LiPo charger (something configurable with a display, bare minimum. IMAX B6 V2 or ToolkitRC M6 are the cheapest worthwhile ones I know of). Since the batteries are XT30, you'll need some way to adapt them to XT60. They're easy to make if you can solder, but you can get them pre-built for not much more than the individual connectors themselves.

Xaintrailles
Aug 14, 2015

:hellyeah::histdowns:
Also, if you're going to fly indoors you'll want something with propeller guards.

Xaintrailles fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 26, 2021

Micr0chiP
Mar 17, 2007
Yeah... I think that i'll go with the cetus kit.
At least i know the state of the batteries and comes with a charger.
It will give me some on hands experience and i can use the radio for the sim.
Then if i still have the fpv bug and the money for it, i'll start to build my own kit starting with a tx16s transmitter and go from there.

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Are OSD and gimbals "listen-only"?

I have three peripherals that want to connect to telemetry ports and only two telemetry ports. My flight controller does not have a Serial 4/5 port. I've read it's possible to double up peripherals on one telemetry port; the documentation I've found suggests that I can have as many listening devices as I want on one port but only one transmitter per port. The three peripherals in question are a 3DR telemetry radio, OSD, and BCG gimbal. Would the correct thing to do be to put the telemetry radio on telem1 and double up the OSD and gimbal on telem2?

Secondly, does anyone know where to get a female-ended Y cable? My flight controller uses custom connections instead of the stock/standard px4 cable ends and I believe it would be easier to stick something on the end of an existing telemetry cable than to splice into the middle of one. Obviously I'd rather just buy a Y cable intended for my FC but Lindy@cuav has stopped answering my E-mails.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

https://docs.px4.io/v1.12/en/flight_controller/cuav_v5_nano.html#serial-port-mapping

UART4 is what you need. You can double up, but some streams requires different refresh rates.
Also, you don't need gimbal for mapping.

You'll find a much better forum for these questions here, btw:
https://discuss.ardupilot.org/

ImplicitAssembler fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 12, 2021

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
Sweet thanks! I've got a UART4 port. I had noticed that the Tx, Rx and ground pins were in the same spot as telemetry but I didn't think I'd be so lucky as for them to be compatible. I'ma check out those forums. Thanks again.

sterster
Jun 19, 2006
nothing
Fun Shoe
Looking for some advise for picking up something for my son. He was given a cheap IR controlled Heli for his birthday earlier this year. He's run it into the ground figuratively and literally however, he really enjoys flying it.

That being said I was looking for advice on probably a quadcopter or something a little better/easier to fly. Something with significantly more flight time than 5min. Price range ~100-130 probably. Saw a couple of 2nd hand DJI Mavics on ebay is that a decent start? I'm really in the dark here so any help is appreciated. He doesn't care about spying on gurls so camera needed.

sterster fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Nov 15, 2021

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




A mavic is for shooting video and taking pictures. If that’s what he likes to do, then a used mavic mini is probably not a bad place to start. They’re hugely popular and well supported.

If he likes to go fast, do flips and all that, then a mavic is not a good choice, they really aren’t meant for that

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

sterster posted:

Looking for some advise for picking up something for my son. He was given a cheap IR controlled Heli for his birthday earlier this year. He's run it into the ground figuratively and literally however, he really enjoys flying it.

That being said I was looking for advice on probably a quadcopter or something a little better/easier to fly. Something with significantly more flight time than 5min. Price range ~100-130 probably. Saw a couple of 2nd hand DJI Mavics on ebay is that a decent start? I'm really in the dark here so any help is appreciated. He doesn't care about spying on gurls so camera needed.

IMO 100 bucks is a lovely price to spend a quadcopter because to get something that won’t be a tremendous disappointment with a camera you need to spend a lot more, and something without a camera but is otherwise a fine toy is a lot less. So the extra money for a 100 dollar quad over a 20-40 dollar quad does not translate to more fun.

Something like this is a lot of fun, and yeah it doesn’t have a long flight time but it comes with multiple batteries (and more are cheap) so just keep charging and swapping and he can stay in the air for a while. It will also take a lot more crashes than a little heli.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PBD6J2W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_2EHF0JTPHNBASV1TDFB9

sterster
Jun 19, 2006
nothing
Fun Shoe

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

A mavic is for shooting video and taking pictures. If that’s what he likes to do

i own every Bionicle posted:

IMO 100 bucks is a lovely price to spend a quadcopter because to get something that won’t be a tremendous disappointment with a camera you need to spend a lot more, and something without a camera but is otherwise a fine toy is a lot less. So the extra money for a 100 dollar quad over a 20-40 dollar quad does not translate to more fun.

Something like this is a lot of fun, and yeah it doesn’t have a long flight time but it comes with multiple batteries (and more are cheap) so just keep charging and swapping and he can stay in the air for a while. It will also take a lot more crashes than a little heli.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PBD6J2W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_2EHF0JTPHNBASV1TDFB9

He has no desire as of yet for taking video. He just enjoys the flying. So if I can get something cheaper with some extra batteries I'm fine with that. My price point was just kind of a guess and based off some random googling. I'm down for more suggestions too. I appreciate it!

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


If you have a decent amount of room indoors the Blade helicopter line is decent. A trello is decent as well for under 100 too but those are both inside things.

If you want outside you need power which means you need more money

sterster
Jun 19, 2006
nothing
Fun Shoe

tater_salad posted:

If you have a decent amount of room indoors the Blade helicopter line is decent. A trello is decent as well for under 100 too but those are both inside things.

If you want outside you need power which means you need more money

I like the blades but transmitter alone was double the price of the heli. Not sure I want to dive down the hobby rabbit hole yet as he hasn't specifically said he wants to do this more.

I like the tello. especially the programming aspect of it. Going to take a close look into this.

As far as outside vs inside we don't have a ton of space inside. Although I live in AZ and it's relatively calm winds most days. I had a 20$ toy drone 4yrs ago I flew outside many times without issues. So maybe not a problem?

Once again thanks for suggestions rc nerds.

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Slash
Apr 7, 2011

FYI this is a good introductory kit for FPV drones. Comes with everything and the drone can be used inside on 1s and is usable outside on 2s.

https://www.rcgeeks.co.uk/products/emax-tinyhawk-ii-fpv-racing-drone-rtf

Sorry for the UK link but I don't know any RC shops in the US.

Plenty or reviews on YouTube if you want to do further research.

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