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The price quoted at $388 was always stated as ex.VAT
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ijyt posted:The price quoted at $388 was always stated as ex.VAT US doesn't have a VAT
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Oct 27, 2021 01:44
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Where is the down arrow key? Is it Fn+Up?
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Oct 27, 2021 01:48
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Second post on my brand new Unicomp Mini M. It is incredible. It is so loud lmfao. The youtube videos of it don't do it justice. this is amazing. it was like way louder, in a bassier, rumblier way, than my old Filco Majestouch with blues. it is so weird. it sounds like a contraption. like some kind of machine. its epic.
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Oct 27, 2021 02:45
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:US doesn't have a VAT You absolutely do have import fees and sales tax lol
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Oct 27, 2021 09:01
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ijyt posted:You absolutely do have import fees and sales tax lol I have never paid any of those for any of the GB boards I've purchased. Here's a recent one:  You only run in to sales tax for purchases made from companies within the US -- which varies state to state. You also only run in to import tax above $800 for certain circumstances (complete keyboards are actually exempt, but parts of keyboards are not). Unless you're running your own GB or importing something extremely expensive you're unlikely to run in to any additional costs if you're buying keyboards from within the US.
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Oct 27, 2021 13:21
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Unsinkabear posted:They're in-stock on their website for $50 per 200. I'd offer to split a box with you, but someone itt said Matias/Alps switches are not compatible with regular hotswap boards so idk what we'd put them in. I don't have the first clue about soldering PCBs, but if you go down that road maybe you'd have more options? So I really like the split on the Kinesis Gaming Freestyle Edge RGB (what a name) and have had no trouble adjusting to the tented typing. I think it should be a very easy switch for any touch typist (I have learned I cross type Y and B with the wrong hands, but I'm getting over it pretty quickly and it's been more funny than anything). I love the attached wrist wrests and the mobility to position the halves however I want depending on what I'm doing. The only problem is that it pings. Idk if it's the Cherry browns or the board, but to my bad ears it's not so much a per-key thing as it is a subtle high-pitched bell resonance that is somewhat drowned out by the keys themselves and then continues onward for a second or two after I stop. Like some part of the board itself is pinging when struck in tented mode (I didn't notice it before adding the lift kit but that could be a coincidence). Whatever it is, it's very distracting. I've seen ping mentioned in reviews for other boards, is this the same thing? Anything I can do about it? Unsinkabear fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 18:20
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Gearman posted:I have never paid any of those for any of the GB boards I've purchased. Here's a recent one: As the consumer, yes - as the company importing and selling the keyboard to you? Very much doubt it.
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Oct 27, 2021 18:20
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ijyt posted:As the consumer, yes - as the company importing and selling the keyboard to you? Very much doubt it. Yes, I covered all of that in my post. Ultimately, the consumers don't really care and just see a product that was marketed as being $380 now being sold at $480.
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Oct 27, 2021 21:09
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Very weird thing to get hung up on considering the ridiculous prices people pay in this hobby.
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Oct 27, 2021 22:25
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Huh? Other people do all kinds of dumb things with their money, but that's not a sound argument for throwing away your own. Keyboard people are just nerd sneakerheads, I swear to god.  An extra $100 (or a more than 25% increase, when looked at the other way) is a pretty legit thing to get hung up on imo. That's going to dramatically change what alternatives you're comparing it against.
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Oct 27, 2021 22:33
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Smythe posted:Second post on my brand new Unicomp Mini M. It is incredible. It is so loud lmfao. The youtube videos of it don't do it justice. this is amazing. it was like way louder, in a bassier, rumblier way, than my old Filco Majestouch with blues. it is so weird. it sounds like a contraption. like some kind of machine. its epic. This post made me aware that Unicomp finally put out a TKL with buckling springs and I ordered one immediately.
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Oct 27, 2021 22:55
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Unsinkabear posted:Keyboard people are just nerd sneakerheads, I swear to god. Help, I'm in this post and I don't like it
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Oct 28, 2021 10:28
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I never understood why the number pad was next to the arrow keys on the right side by default. It 100% makes more sense to me to have all your navigation on one side and then your input on the other. With the arrows and numbers on the right side of a keyboard I find myself moving my left arm across my body to use arrows plus numpad. And when I add mouse input to that then I shift my left arm further to do numbers while my right hand mouses. If the numberpad was on the left then I can just stick my left arm there and move one arm to either arrows or mouse.
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Oct 28, 2021 17:23
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pre-mouse era where most people are righthanded and rapid entry of numbers was important for a lot of business computing purposes is my guess.
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Oct 28, 2021 18:45
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Unsinkabear posted:Keyboard people are just nerd sneakerheads, I swear to god. You have the sneakerheads, who see every new nearly identical 60% board or different pairing of colors fed in to the keycap molds as yet another Pokemon to catch. You then have the audiophiles, who debate the merits of different lubricants and how their magic fingers can definitely tell the difference between the red plastic and the purple plastic shells. Finally there are the ergonomics nerds, who will spend hours performing repetitive motions finishing 3D printed parts for their latest custom design intended to reduce repetitive motions. Obviously there's a lot of overlap between those groups too, some people are firmly in all three.
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Oct 28, 2021 18:48
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wolrah posted:IMO keyboard enthusiasm has three main camps that all get way off in the weeds the deeper in you go.: I meant the fact that like sneakerheads, both categories 1 and 2 (and somewhat 3, why do none of these pricey split ergo boards have PBS keycaps?!) appear to be completely fine with seemingly predatory inflated prices, artificial scarcity, and arbitrarily limited runs intended to induce FOMO. The breakdown is hilariously real, though. wolrah posted:
Also, help, I'm in this post and I don't like it. (No 3D printer yet, but I did spend double my intended budget on a split keyboard  )
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Oct 28, 2021 19:18
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:pre-mouse era where most people are righthanded and rapid entry of numbers was important for a lot of business computing purposes is my guess. I recently switch from a full size to a TKL and I realised how much that numpad meant to me. Even though I only use it intermittently for calling numbered records, it really is so much faster to key it out on the pad than to fiddle around with the number row. Time for a full size mech I guess, or a macropad? I'm guessing after a certain point people stopped having calculator drills in school? I remember my various teachers all going on about how being able to touch-calculate was essential for optimal exam performance.
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Oct 28, 2021 19:41
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I think we all want the numpad in an ideal world, they were just saying (and I agree) that it should always go on the left side. Unfortunately both market-standard designs and the humans who buy them get set in their ways easily, so rn it seems like your options are Epomaker or a separate numpad (Leopold looks good, Varmillo seems like a good value but is weirdly tall in comparison)
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Oct 28, 2021 20:22
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Unsinkabear posted:I meant the fact that like sneakerheads, both categories 1 and 2 (and somewhat 3, why do none of these pricey split ergo boards have PBS keycaps?!) appear to be completely fine with seemingly predatory inflated prices, artificial scarcity, and arbitrarily limited runs intended to induce FOMO. Yeah the artificial scarcity is annoying as hell, though it's obviously very grey as to what level is artificial versus what's just a practical result of this being a niche market where the long tail isn't really large enough to justify predictable production runs. I do wish more projects would plan to do additional group buy runs though, that shouldn't be too unreasonable. Set a goal for production run 2 based on the performance of production run 1 and if there's enough demand then it should be easier to do the second time around. quote:Also, help, I'm in this post and I don't like it.  I got in to mechanical keyboards for the feel and to some extent the sound but it was the ergonomic stuff that really got me rabbit-holed. My 3D printer is still packed up from my last move otherwise there would likely be a Dactyl Manuform in some stage of construction vying to replace my Moonlander.
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Oct 28, 2021 20:48
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If Unicomp will just bring out a standalone buckling spring numpad to go with its new TKL model, I will have everything I, or indeed anyone, ever needed out of life.
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Oct 28, 2021 20:56
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Eric the Mauve posted:If Unicomp will just bring out a standalone buckling spring numpad to go with its new TKL model, I will have everything I, or indeed anyone, ever needed out of life. this would own, but also i understand it is a very niche ask. these poor men can only do so much. the usb cable that came with my kb was still in its monoprice bag. g*d bless.
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Oct 28, 2021 20:59
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wolrah posted:Yeah the artificial scarcity is annoying as hell, though it's obviously very grey as to what level is artificial versus what's just a practical result of this being a niche market where the long tail isn't really large enough to justify predictable production runs. I do wish more projects would plan to do additional group buy runs though, that shouldn't be too unreasonable. Set a goal for production run 2 based on the performance of production run 1 and if there's enough demand then it should be easier to do the second time around This is happening more, but oftentimes it's still just one person doing the design, and there's still limits on doing the fulfillment, QC, samples and prototypes, etc. Especially if you're doing a group buy as a way of producing a board that you as a designer really want, you're probably less inclined to do a 2nd run. Also, supply chain is screwing everything. But yes, I would like it if there were more things that weren't group buy only.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:13
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ijyt posted:You absolutely do have import fees and sales tax lol States do have sales taxes (some don't) as do localities. At the moment, complete boards (HS 84.71) are exempt from tariffs. Keyboard components such as keycaps are not exempt though. ijyt posted:Very weird thing to get hung up on considering the ridiculous prices people pay in this hobby. You mean the hobby where people are totally okay with people flipping boards for 4x the gb cost despite adding no value other than "I managed to get one and you didn't"? The hobby where those same people lauding flippers also think that "GMK is too expensive so I'll just buy clones from a lovely, design-stealing sweat shop"? It's a weird space, and that's definitely not even close to the weirdest thing to get hung up on in this hobby. But while boards are expensive yeah, I think it's more a question of value over money. At $380, its expensive and already not a great value in terms of what I want from a keyboard design. At $450 it's completely out of it's class. At that point it's just as far away from it's original stated price as it is from the Austin's GB price. And the Austin is one of the best designed boards in existence. Hell $450 is more than a J-02 was originally. Those are incredible boards by very well established designers with excellent track records running through trustworthy vendors. For comparison, W1-AT preorders opened today at $370. https://swagkeys.com/collections/w1-at Now, despite the fact that the W1-AT is a considerably better board in every regard, also has more parts, a novel mounting system, hefty and detailed brass weight, it is still cheaper. This is mostly due to it being an open unlimited preorder and Geon already having a well established production system and good indications of about how many will be ordered. It will likely sell thousands of units versus the Viendi's hard limit of a few hundred. The downside is that it will also take a considerable amount of time to produce. I fully anticipate that it will be about a year despite the projected July 2022 delivery date. However, I really would be surprised if the Viendi delivered any sooner than that to be honest. Personally I'm not even concerned about the price, I'm concerned about UPAS dropping the GB citing "importing uncertainties", and KFA picking it up. I think UPAS is very savvy, and I wouldn't give KFA $5 let alone $500.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:47
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:For comparison, W1-AT preorders opened today at $370. https://swagkeys.com/collections/w1-at  ISO is good actually <  >
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Oct 28, 2021 22:54
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interrodactyl posted:This is happening more, but oftentimes it's still just one person doing the design, and there's still limits on doing the fulfillment, QC, samples and prototypes, etc. At least in the custom PCB and case niches as lot of designs get open sourced either from the beginning or after the production run is ended so those who are interested down the line always have an option to build one. I think that's a great way to handle those situations, scratch your own itch with the official production run and then let the world do with it what they want.
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Oct 28, 2021 23:03
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repiv posted:
I've actually come around to liking ISO. If I manage to land a J-02 Blackout edition I'm definitely building it with ISO enter. Same for equinox. 
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Oct 28, 2021 23:37
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:We do not have a value added tax. I'm not just being pedantic, those are different things substantially. It's complicated. For instance, I only like XDA profile, and almost all of the ones I like (cool colors) are cheap clones from lovely sweat shops, but I can't get XDA from the main good artists because everyone is loving obsessed with Cherry profile. Also, everyone being nuts about 65% boards but the reality is, I actually really do use my function row a lot, and the ergonomics aren't better than a TKL. The reality is, after deep diving for a few weeks here and on twitch and reddit, I'll just get a GMMK PRO, switch out the stabs and lube better ones, and call it a day. That's still going to be an amazing board with either kiwi's or Boba's, whichever I decide I like better (I have kiwis and love them, but I am waiting on the Boba's.) Will I buy knock off pharaoh keycaps because I don't want to pay $300 for original ones and the clones will actually come in XDA? possibly. And that's considered a cheap board and or a "bad board" which is nuts. That board will last me the rest of my lifetime in theory. and that will still coast me around $300 with all the parts.
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Oct 29, 2021 00:01
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I've actually come around to liking ISO. uhm
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Oct 29, 2021 00:02
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Smythe posted:uhm We love and accept our crazy uncle Charlie despite his taste for whacky boards. Also, just a reminder that I sell FR4 plates for the GMMK Pro (https://avxworks.com/). Unlike the stock aluminum plate, these don't suck and you can actually use good aftermarket stabilizers like Durock V2s with them. Lastly, I have a discount of $4.20 to fellow Goons. Just use the code MANGOSTEEN at checkout.
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Oct 29, 2021 00:29
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Smythe posted:uhm I agree, winkeyless is absolute madness for those who regularly use Windows
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Oct 29, 2021 00:33
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Gearman posted:Also, just a reminder that I sell FR4 plates for the GMMK Pro (https://avxworks.com/). Unlike the stock aluminum plate, these don't suck and you can actually use good aftermarket stabilizers like Durock V2s with them. can confirm it doesn't suck, and works with stabilizers that don't suck, unlike the glorious stabilizers which suck a lot
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Oct 29, 2021 00:38
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wolrah posted:IMO keyboard enthusiasm has three main camps that all get way off in the weeds the deeper in you go.: And then there are us clicky enjoyers, who easily find happiness in Box Jade/Navy switches and some case foam. Though I'd try an Alps switches based keyboard once, if I had the money to burn. HappyCapybaraFamily posted:I agree, winkeyless is absolute madness for those who regularly use Windows
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:I agree, winkeyless is absolute madness for those who regularly use Windows go full on chaos and put it smack dab in the middle of split space.
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Oct 29, 2021 03:37
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The windows key showed up with windows 95 and can go right back to hell where it came from. You kids and your windows keys and emojis and pokemans.
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Oct 29, 2021 03:55
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Without the windows key how else do you pull up a launcher?
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Oct 29, 2021 03:56
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anothergod posted:Without the windows key how else do you pull up a launcher? Ctrl+Alt+Fn+Space+W like any sane person would do. Wait till you find out how I type numbers.
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Oct 29, 2021 05:53
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anothergod posted:Without the windows key how else do you pull up a launcher? Use a Mac
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Oct 29, 2021 05:57
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Ctrl+Alt+Fn+Space+W like any sane person would do. LionArcher posted:Use a Mac  In other news, further testing has revealed that it's not the backplate or whatever, the springs (?) on this Kinesis are in fact pingy as gently caress. I tested it and nothing happens when I press down, it's on release that I hear it. And on some of the right side keys the resulting ring is pretty loving noticeable, so now that I have heard this I can't stop hearing it.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I've actually come around to liking ISO. Wait there's going to be an all black version of the J-02? Where do I learn more?
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