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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:cynical, tinfoil hat take - nearly all comedians eventually run past their prime and dave is trying to hedge his aging audience by not alienating bigots too hard with the criticism of white supremacy That isolation from the everyday and the very real need to build rapport with an audience leads him to draw heavily from subjects gleaned from third party sources. And when the material was frankly under the surface very conventional and, it's almost certain going to take a hard turn into chud country. Also money is brain poison.
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Ambitious Spider posted:There was a relatively recent Eddie Murphy interview where he talked about cancel culture and woke stuff, and he basically said “there’s a lot of material I don’t do any more as I’ve learned more. As a comedian my goal is to make people laugh, and I never intended to hurt anyone” Not stand-up, but still his work: Coming 2 America came out on Amazon Prime earlier this year. IIRC there wasn't anything overtly offensive but it definitely felt like a milquetoast nostalgia grab. Could have been a Zoolander 2 though, so there's that at least. Ellie Trashcakes posted:Eh, I think it's more the fact that his wealth has put him in rarified strata, away from the sort of lives his audience lead. Like, what, he's gonna do jokes about his au pair's personal assistant? About how small your weiner looks when getting out of an indoor pool because your idiot valet didn't turn on the heating this morning? "Now now, before you start clutching at pearls, my employees are like family to me. So I didn't have him beaten until after I fired him." I was in the pool!
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Eh, I think it's more the fact that his wealth has put him in rarified strata, away from the sort of lives his audience lead. Like, what, he's gonna do jokes about his au pair's personal assistant? About how small your weiner looks when getting out of an indoor pool because your idiot valet didn't turn on the heating this morning? "Now now, before you start clutching at pearls, my employees are like family to me. So I didn't have him beaten until after I fired him." I enjoyed his first couple of Netflix specials and some of the better bits were talking about his family life in a semi-rural area, or recounting his OJ run-ins; that's interesting to me. His obsession with the LGBTQ+ community is frustrating because I really like his general style and stage presence and I'll probably never be able to revisit his prior works in an enjoyable way. Like GOT it's become retroactively worse.
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Eddie Murphy played Dolemite in the faux documentary released on Netflix
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:And according to Don Glover, Tina Fey told him the only reason he was hired was because he was Black and NBC's diversity hire program paid for his salary. Holy poo poo, is that why there's an episode of 30 Rock about Toofer quitting because he finds out he was a diversity hire?
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I enjoyed his first couple of Netflix specials and some of the better bits were talking about his family life in a semi-rural area, or recounting his OJ run-ins; that's interesting to me. Like there was this sketch about great moments in the history of hooking up (I think it was was called gently caress Chronicles?) hosted by some beardo with a very prominent cold sore that he muggingly points out in the coda. Now that I think about it, the running gag of a Korean man speaking in broken english wasn't awesome. The sketch where a white guy (complete with rape jokes!) gets kicked out of a Real Word analog for making people uncomfortable, inspired by one of his buddies getting kicked out for ripping a duvet off a woman in her underwear and framing it purely in misleading term, also kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, yeah, again I don't remember seeing any of his stand-up so maybe that's where all the incisive, cutting social commentary was.It certainly wasn't in the choir singing the diarrhea song in response to criticism, the wonderful life sketch about convincing the woman to not get a breast reduction, loving a volcano or all the ones about the guy addicted to crack. I think there are some serious rose-colored glasses being worn here
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:I dunno, I'm not a huge fan of standup so I can count on the fingers of one hand how many I've seen in the past ten years (6, to be exact) but not to be all "heh, I was critiquing him before it was cool 😏" but I remember a couple bits of Chappelle's show that kinda rubbed me the wrong way in terms of content or delivery. Chapelle's Show had a lot, lot, lot of misses, it's just that when it hit, it hit hard, and one of its most memorable sketches was from the first episode- Black White Supremacist. Coming outta the gate swinging like that gave it a lot of leeway in people's minds, I think.
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Baba Yaga Fanboy posted:Chapelle's Show had a lot, lot, lot of misses, it's just that when it hit, it hit hard, and one of its most memorable sketches was from the first episode- Black White Supremacist. Coming outta the gate swinging like that gave it a lot of leeway in people's minds, I think. Was that from the first episode? drat, that's a hell of a start.
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Ambitious Spider posted:There was a relatively recent Eddie Murphy interview where he talked about cancel culture and woke stuff, and he basically said “there’s a lot of material I don’t do any more as I’ve learned more. As a comedian my goal is to make people laugh, and I never intended to hurt anyone” Hell, didn't Richard Pryor kinda do the same thing? Like he used the N word in his shows a lot, and then he went to Africa or something and he resolved to stop. I know it's not a 1:1 comparison, but, similar ballpark.
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the_steve posted:Hell, didn't Richard Pryor kinda do the same thing? Like he used the N word in his shows a lot, and then he went to Africa or something and he resolved to stop. I know Chris Rock had that joke about 'black people versus N-words' that he stopped using once he learned that white racists loved it.
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Cleretic posted:I know Chris Rock had that joke about 'black people versus N-words' that he stopped using once he learned that white racists loved it. He said the racists thought it gave them the right to say the n-word.
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Rockman Reserve posted:wait Ellie do you seriously have six fingers on one hand because Inigo Montoya is obsessed with that stuff
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Mister Kingdom posted:He said the racists thought it gave them the right to say the n-word. 15-year-old me was a stupid racist and hell yes we did.
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the_steve posted:Hell, didn't Richard Pryor kinda do the same thing? Like he used the N word in his shows a lot, and then he went to Africa or something and he resolved to stop. Yeah. I was looking for a video I saw a few years ago that intercut that bit you're describing from Pryor with the "no bad words" bit George Carlin did and it was pretty shocking, honestly. Unfortunately I can't find it anymore. Pryor's bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hULhZqhw9yU I don't really want to link the Carlin bit because its just him saying literally every slur there is and then saying it doesn't matter because of context or something. Its really lovely and bad.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Yeah. I was looking for a video I saw a few years ago that intercut that bit you're describing from Pryor with the "no bad words" bit George Carlin did and it was pretty shocking, honestly. Unfortunately I can't find it anymore. Are you talking about Carlin's seven dirty words and the followup? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words That's about FCC censorship, not general cultural use. The point there isn't that words can't hurt people or that words can't be dangerous, it's that not looking at why we use words to mean things is lovely. It's literally an argument for telling people to shut the gently caress up for using slurs, and Carlin spent a LOT of time over the years taking people to task for arguing slurs worked the same way. I think there's a follow up where he lists off a bunch of slurs to explain WHY it's not something you can just say randomly as a dipshit. e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY i think this is the skit you mean and yeah, it's a follow up to his general talk about the meaning of words overall throughout his career and is very much not saying slurs don't matter or can't hurt someone. Obviously this is a youtube clip of a larger special, but even the last 1:30 of it makes it really clear Carlin isn't arguing people should be tossing around the n-word without any heed or consideration. e2: of course the youtube people are all treating it as george carlin DESTROYS sjws, which is complete loving bullshit. Arivia has a new favorite as of 01:19 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Arivia posted:Are you talking about Carlin's seven dirty words and the followup? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words That's about FCC censorship, not general cultural use. No, I'm not. He has a bit where he recites a litany of uninterrupted slurs for the better part of a minute straight and ends the bit calling Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor the n word. You can search youtube for "george carlin they are only words" if you really want to hear it. And then read the comments for even more fun times! e: yeah thats the one and its pretty hosed up, imo.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:I don't really want to link the Carlin bit because its just him saying literally every slur there is and then saying it doesn't matter because of context or something. Its really lovely and bad. He did say this: "Bullshit! It’s the context that makes them good or bad. The context. That makes them good or bad. For instance, you take the word “N*****.” There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word “N*****” in and of itself. It’s the racist rear end in a top hat who’s using it that you ought to be concerned about. We don’t care when Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy say it. Why? Because we know they’re not racist. They’re N*****s! Context. Context." That threw me because I don't recall him ever using that word before. I always wondered if Pryor or Murphy saw that.
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He also says there's literally a racist in every living room in every house in America, calls himself a bunch of slurs, and says you should absolutely be worrying and watch out for bigots and racists in your own communities - that saying the words is a sign of people being shitbags but you have to look at who's actually saying it. I'm really not sure how you can take that skit as anything other than "words are literally just words" [point 1] and "racism is bad and people use slurs to hurt each other and there are a lot of lovely loving racists" [point 2]. Carlin's "don't ban words because they could be offensive" obviously hasn't aged well, but it's only not aged well because general societal decorum decided to go the other way, not because Carlin was being hurtful or attacking anyone himself. Carlin put his livelihood and his life repeatedly on the line to try and make things better for everyone, which is why he can make that bit work, because he'd proven for decades that he was the One Guy who could actually talk about words just being words and have a proven track record that he wasn't using slurs to hurt people. e: in case it's not obvious, Carlin's whole thing (which started with the Seven Dirty Words) is arguing against blanket bans on using words overall. That's it. He's not arguing that using words is innocuous or completely without hurt or blame at any step, just that they are words. Someone saying a word that's offensive or actually hurtful getting in trouble still made sense to Carlin. The only recent event that I can think of where someone got "cancelled" where Carlin would have defended them was the firing of Wendy Mesley from CBC News in Canada, where she said the title of an infamous Quebec politics book that includes the n-word when she was trying to discuss the book itself. Carlin never argued using slurs was a good thing, or appropriate, or that people should "lighten up" or "grow a thicker skin." He knew words could actually hurt people, that was his job, and that was why he was so careful and why he was so good at it. Arivia has a new favorite as of 01:38 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Mister Kingdom posted:He said the racists thought it gave them the right to say the n-word. Even if racists didn't start quoting him verbatim his bit was basically indistinguishable from what racists were already saying.
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https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1453731160215851012?s=20 https://www.billboard.com/articles/events/oscars/8492982/kevin-hart-oscar-hosting-controversy-timeline quote:After two days of online scrutiny, Hart finally broke his silence and posted a video to Instagram. In it, he explained that the Academy had delivered an ultimatum: publicly apologize for the tweets, or step down. To the surprise of many, Hart refused to apologize.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:And according to Don Glover, Tina Fey told him the only reason he was hired was because he was Black and NBC's diversity hire program paid for his salary. New Yorker posted:Zazie Beetz had told me that she’s often cast for her light skin, as “a pop of color” in a role that could go to a white actress, and that she knew some fans of “Atlanta” had wanted Van to be darker-skinned. “I don’t know if I was cast off of talent instead of look,” she said. “That’s my insecurity.” Glover said that it was talent. “But I was also, like, ‘People are going to feel that way about her—and they should.’ We have to show the consequences.” He noted that his own skin color had surely influenced his career, beginning with his first job, as a writer on “30 Rock.” “I wondered, Am I being hired just because I’m black?” Tina Fey, the show’s creator and star, told me that the answer was in large part yes; she admired Glover’s talent but hired him because funds from NBC’s Diversity Initiative “made him free.” quote:Chevy Chase, one of Glover’s co-stars, often tried to disrupt his scenes and made racial cracks between takes. (“People think you’re funnier because you’re black.”)
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:bout how small your weiner looks when getting out of an indoor pool because your idiot valet didn't turn on the heating this morning? Please, it's a natatorium.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Please, it's a natatorium.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:And according to Don Glover, Tina Fey told him the only reason he was hired was because he was Black and NBC's diversity hire program paid for his salary. That was an episode too
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If anything, slight props to Tina Fey for being honest about it. I suppose that's at least a diversity program arguably working as intended to mutual benefit.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Please, it's a natatorium. lol that means "childbirth store" to me
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Birthing supplies and indoor swiiming, lol.
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Alhazred posted:
Well, it's a Phillip K. Dick novel. That's how those things go.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Even the most decisive Nazi victory imaginable (without magic or sci-fi tech) would've at most had them take over eastern Europe to depopulate it for their planned reenactment of Manifest Destiny. Yeah, and it would have been a loving horrible mess with no ultimate "good" outcome for anyone involved. The Nazis were really, really poo poo at running an empire. Among other things.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Even the most decisive Nazi victory imaginable (without magic or sci-fi tech) would've at most had them take over eastern Europe to depopulate it for their planned reenactment of Manifest Destiny. The myth of the super efficient and hyper competent Nazi war machine is so pervasive people generally won't believe you if you try to tell them it was more like a three stooges skit with the house burning down around them. The milhist posts about the Nazi uniforms are emblematic of the entire German mentality to war at the time, like requiring 4-5 people at a time working on a single, custom fitted helmet for infantry while the Allies just made one size fits all on nearly automated production line. Their uniforms were a disaster of planning and supply needs, with each 200 person unit needing a personal tailor to keep the uniforms in order. The entire upper echelon of leadership was constantly keeping secrets from each other and deliberately sabotaging their rivals in hopes of looking better to Hitler and getting more power/promotions (or terrified of being shot by the SS for being a traitor/unproductive). Hitler sunk massive amounts of resources into pure fantasy projects because no one was willing to tell him no.
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Even the cartoon Archer calls out the Nazis for being fuckwits, in Archer Dreamland Krieger's 1940s backstory is that he was a Nazi scientist who was deliberately wasting all of their money on a useless ubermench project that he was deliberately sabotaging, because every failed test subject that he murdered was a few thousand bombs and planes that they could no longer buy.
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Late to the party, but what exactly did Dane Cook do to make himself universally hated? I remember him being all dude bro alpha bullshit one day and disappearing from public awareness the next. Was there a specific event or...?
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Mr.Chill posted:Late to the party, but what exactly did Dane Cook do to make himself universally hated? I remember him being all dude bro alpha bullshit one day and disappearing from public awareness the next. He made Good Luck Chuck
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Mr.Chill posted:Late to the party, but what exactly did Dane Cook do to make himself universally hated? I remember him being all dude bro alpha bullshit one day and disappearing from public awareness the next. He went from obscurity to selling out MSG in a short time, then people started going hard on him for joke theft, meanwhile his edgy frat boy humor aged like milk in the Arizona sun. Also around the same time he discovered his brother had stolen all his money, so he had to do a ton of comedy shows on his own to try and make some $$$ real fast, and did so well he decided he'd rather just do comedy gigs like that then shows/movies/huge events.
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