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I don't think there is any price point where they would yield based on finances. Is there even a way out for them without losing massive face?
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As far as I’ve been following this, they had a few - but Polish politicians are extremely adept at burning bridges and slamming every door along the way. In my opinion, Merkel will manage to squeeze a few outs for them before the year is over, in addition to the Polish themselves conceding to dismantle the tribunal a bit prior to the recent Polexit ruling. Fortunately for them, Macron is also being somewhat timid on Poland on grounds of internal domestic political calculus. If this isn’t resolved peacefully before the French election, it won’t be fun for anyone. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 28, 2021 |
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Merkel is now only acting chancellor until the new one can be voted in. She doesn't even have a seat in parliament anymore. I strongly doubt she will personally do much, that would be improper. Though of course, Germany isn't completely rudderless (certainly not more than during the past 16 years  ), and I get the impression that a lot of the other EU countries are collectively utterly sick of Poland's poo poo.
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Palace intrigue in Brussels about this is that Merkel supposedly prides herself in uniting the Europe. Therefore, some are speculating that she’s going to do one last dying breath thing and make Morawiecki and Rutte kiss on lips before she’s on the pension.
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Speaking of Poland, I'm now there since there some public holidays and I didn't want to stay home. Even though I just got back from vacation. Ehm. Anyway, I don't think I've seen a single mask all day. Certainly not outdoors but not indoors either. Pretty bold strategy.
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So what is the worst case scenario if everyone gets a chance to get infected? Maybe they count on it not mattering too much..
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Probably covid finally becoming 'just like a flu' - endemic, with yearly vaccines of so-so effectiveness due to a billion variants.
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Well, that's heartbreaking to read https://echo.msk.ru/blog/tv2today/2926874-echo/
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mobby_6kl posted:Speaking of Poland, I'm now there since there some public holidays and I didn't want to stay home. Even though I just got back from vacation. Ehm. Anyway, I don't think I've seen a single mask all day. Certainly not outdoors but not indoors either. Pretty bold strategy. My parents know a few people in their social circle who are returning to Poland. One of them apparently believes things are "crumbling" here... in Canada. Y'know, where overall vaccination in those 12+ is over 80%, and a 7-day rolling average of about 365 new cases in a province of almost 14 million. Unsurprisingly, almost all of them are unvaccinated, too. Every time my parents watch the weekly broadcast about the local Polish-Canadian community on Saturday mornings, they'll show some mass for something-or-other at one of the churches, and maybe 50% are wearing masks properly, with the rest just below the nose, or on the chin.
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Honest question, why the hell is it that the EU thinks this fine is a good idea? I mean polexit is already a named concept. Without Poland the EU is even more under threat. While not a huge contributor to anything Poland still stands to become another UK and make the EUs status lower.
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Poland needs the EU waaaaaaay more than the EU needs Poland.
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i don't think they actually want to leave the eu. if we did, it'd be 90% pride.
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So did the UK and yet. That said they're welcome to gtfo if they want to continue to be dicks about it
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Honest question, why the hell is it that the EU thinks this fine is a good idea? I mean polexit is already a named concept. Without Poland the EU is even more under threat. While not a huge contributor to anything Poland still stands to become another UK and make the EUs status lower. EU will do literally anything to protect the legal integrity of the single market. It's the one line they will not let anyone cross without consequences. loving around with the supremacy of EU courts in matters of European law is literally questioning the foundation of the entire union, so the current crop of cryptofascists in Warsaw are getting exactly what they knowingly bargained for.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Honest question, why the hell is it that the EU thinks this fine is a good idea? I mean polexit is already a named concept. Without Poland the EU is even more under threat. While not a huge contributor to anything Poland still stands to become another UK and make the EUs status lower. Literally every country's exit now has a name, you take first few letter from the country's name and append exit. The better question is, why do you think that the better idea for EU is to just let its members do whatever?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Honest question, why the hell is it that the EU thinks this fine is a good idea? I mean polexit is already a named concept. Without Poland the EU is even more under threat. While not a huge contributor to anything Poland still stands to become another UK and make the EUs status lower. There aren't exactly a wealth of options for dealing with a state that is disengaging diplomatically and cannot be relied on to follow the treaties it has signed. Appeasement, however, is absolutely certain not to work. By the way, Poland is gearing up to make LGBT illegal. Like, all of it.
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barbecue at the folks posted:EU will do literally anything to protect the legal integrity of the single market. It's the one line they will not let anyone cross without consequences. loving around with the supremacy of EU courts in matters of European law is literally questioning the foundation of the entire union, so the current crop of cryptofascists in Warsaw are getting exactly what they knowingly bargained for. This also has a less “platonic” side. Modern European economy is built upon the fact that a commercial dispute between a German supplier and a Finnish recipient will be treated by a Latvian court to the same standard that they could expect from a Belgian court. A situation where Poland says that it will not comply with ECJ rulings is obviously not helpful here, and if more countries follow the Polish example, we may very well see the entire system collapse. As Western European countries are not really in EU to charitably subsidise Eastern European countries to no advantage of their own, they are thus bound to defend their garden sooner rather than later.
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Poland is surrounded by EU countries, plus a Russian exclave, everyone's favorite dictatorship in Belarus, and a country that probably would join the EU (but realistically never will) in Ukraine. The Polish economy is also much more integrated with the overall EU economy than the UK ever was, they are one of the biggest net receivers of EU money, in contrast to the UK which paid quite a bit more into EU funds than it got out, and Poland also doesn't have it's own currency. The Brits halfway successfully left the EU, though not without some quite big problems, but Poland's economy would probably melt down if they were to leave the European Union.
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Torrannor posted:Poland is surrounded by EU countries, plus a Russian exclave, everyone's favorite dictatorship in Belarus, and a country that probably would join the EU (but realistically never will) in Ukraine. The Polish economy is also much more integrated with the overall EU economy than the UK ever was, they are one of the biggest net receivers of EU money, in contrast to the UK which paid quite a bit more into EU funds than it got out, and Poland also doesn't have it's own currency. The Brits halfway successfully left the EU, though not without some quite big problems, but Poland's economy would probably melt down if they were to leave the European Union. Which won't stop certain people from trying to leave. If economic collapse, political isolation and exposing the country to more Russian influence are the price for keeping The Gays and women in their place then so be it..
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Torrannor posted:and Poland also doesn't have it's own currency. This bit is false. Poland never introduced euro and still uses złoty.
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Poland has own currency. Also it's different from UK in that a vote would be overwhelmingly in favour of remain. So ruling assholes need to get creative. We used to think PiS is simply infiltrated by Russian agents, but over time it's more likely that all those problems are various minor leaders trying to grab some favour of Kaczyński. And it looks like he completely lost touch with reality.
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Antigravitas posted:By the way, Poland is gearing up to make LGBT illegal. Like, all of it. How would they go about doing this?
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:How would they go about doing this? Beatings will continue until morals improve
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It’s more a proposal for a law codifying the christian approach to lgbt, i.e. yeah, be gay but I don’t want to hear or see NOTHING about this. You know, like in Russia. Poland under pis in general has the above words as the primary rule to follow.
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quote:The law would ban public assemblies that “promote”, among other things, “sexual orientations other than heterosexuality”, the idea of non-biological gender, same-sex marriage or civic partnerships, or the adoption of children by same-sex couples. Tag urself, I'm the homosexual commando in the combat gays' onslaught. Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Commando is THE gay movie.
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Antigravitas posted:Tag urself, I'm the homosexual commando in the combat gays' onslaught. You gotta hand it to them, Homosexual Terror is a really good username
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Antigravitas posted:By the way, Poland is gearing up to make LGBT illegal. Like, all of it. big gender is banned energy
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Commando is THE gay movie. Have to admit it's harder to be gayer than this  Poland btw is the only place where I've seen an anti-lgbt protest. Not some assholes getting mad at a pride parade, but just protesting the gays in a middle of the main square in Wroclaw.
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Lol Russia tried to bully Moldova into giving up the EU partnership agreement, paying Pridniestrovie's debt and debundling of the gas market for a long-term gas contract A few million cubic meters bought from Poland and Romania and they folded to a price tied to the global market and an audit of the debt lmao Maia-chan strong
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Osmosisch posted:Beatings will continue until morals improve 
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alex314 posted:Poland has own currency. Also it's different from UK in that a vote would be overwhelmingly in favour of remain. Are you sure that would still be the case after a six-month disinformation campaign across all media? Like in the UK?
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Are you sure that would still be the case after a six-month disinformation campaign across all media? Like in the UK? Poland has a competent opposition, whereas Corbyn was pro-Brexit. Main Polish opposition party, lead by Donald Tusk, has surged from 15% to 25% in polls in the span of 4 month by just repeating “Polexit”, and the elections are far from close.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Poland has a competent opposition Uhhhhh, if this is supposed to be competent then we are doomed.
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mmkay posted:Uhhhhh, if this is supposed to be competent then we are doomed. Compared to the UK’s Labour Party of the last half a dozen years or so, that is. Although I am a Tusk believer in general, so I’d wager that at least KO is above average for what a generic European political opposition is like.
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Yeah, “lesser evil” Tusk is acceptable, “forever-Merkel-Tusk” less so. With the horrid state the Polish left is in, I guess it’s absolutely the best I can hope for in my lifetime anyway.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Poland has a competent opposition, whereas Corbyn was pro-Brexit. Only after Leave had won the referendum. This is like saying Hillary Clinton was Pro-Trump because she didn't continue to try to be President after she lost the election. 
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From all I've seen, Corbyn was *wink* pro-remain*wink-wink*
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Weird how his party voted 63% remain while he campaigned for remain then The pro-Brexit parties were UKIP, conservatives and Plaid Cymru and the anti-Brexit parties were Green, liberal democrats, SNP and Labour
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Labour’s official stance was that they’re pro-Remain, I’m not disputing that. Corbyn’s personal stance was consistently supportive of Britain’s departure, and general Euroscepticism, however, specifically due to him being concerned about future of space communism in Europe more than the machinations of ERG-helmed Tories. As in, his hubris was to deem Brexit a righteous sacrifice for the betterment of the leftist movement on the continent, which supposedly would’ve otherwise been held back by Britain. This was very obvious through the entire Remain campaign, which was “surprisingly” delayed compared to Leave dialling to 11, and did very little to assuage observers’ concerns about the Labour Party being warring mess of feuding factions. Pretending that there wasn’t a noteworthy leftist contingent in U.K. that supported Brexit, even if for different reasons than the ERG-UKIP brigade, is silly. While this is hardly the least biased source possible, you can refresh your memory here: https://www.markpack.org.uk/153744/jeremy-corbyn-brexit/
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