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ToxicAcne posted:Is Chloe Zhao an interesting director or was all the praise due to her talking poo poo about China and how great it is to be in the Land of the Free TM? Given that her most acclaimed film is about how it's actually noble and fine to be an amazon picker living in your car because travelling across the country between
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indigi posted:like if tomorrow there was a global, inviolable law enforced by Jesus and Buddha and God that limited absolute personal net worth to $500 million and married couples to $850 million, almost nobody on Earth would notice a change in their material conditions. a relative handful of dekamillionaires would become centimillionaires. Yeah Parasite was much better in this regard by making it clear that being a "good person" is often a luxury that only the rich can afford.
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got the trailer blasted to me on youtube at 2 in the morning, and gotta say the production company who edited it really knows how to polish a turd because I had no idea it'd be a two hour Amazon pr piece and actually wanted to watch it
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ToxicAcne posted:Is Chloe Zhao an interesting director or was all the praise due to her talking poo poo about China and how great it is to be in the Land of the Free TM? nomadland is anticapitalist in the same way squid game is if thats what you define as interesting
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I saw a scene of the Cruealla movie where they disney-fied the Stooges song - I wanna be your dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGu1wUvUMQ
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Femur posted:Hes saying youre dumb
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there's been a big push in US media lately to portray billionaires are cool adventurers and your friends, and it's been sort of successful. Musk and Bezos have gotten fawning coverage over their "Space race." i was looking at a rural local news site for an impoverished area and one of the top stories was sympathetic coverage of how billionaires were concerned that a tax on billionaires would hurt the economy. so while a tv show about how billionaires are sadistic psychos may fail at structural critique, in the current political situation I don't think it's bad. I'm not expecting contributions to Marxist revolutionary thought to come out of a Netflix production anyway. I think there's a qualitative difference between something like Squid Game, which may present a flawed view of the system, and something like Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan, which is propaganda for US imperialism. The latter is something that should be condemned. I'm not sure it's worth the time or energy condemning the former also i never watched Squid Game, but the same analysis applies to the SNL sketch that call billionaires cannibals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQv72I6Ryfc
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Nomadland seems to be actually convincing Boomers to sell their homes, lose all their money living on the road, and finally become proletarians working at Amazon facilities so from an accelerationist perspective I have to congratulate it for contributing to the liquidation of one of the most reactionary parts of the US population. Too bad about the old people who are now going to die on the Amazon warehouse floor and the homes turned into BlackRock assets.
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i make it a point to engage deeply with movies made by billionaires' kids about the dignity and strength of the poor
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Atrocious Joe posted:also i never watched Squid Game, but the same analysis applies to the SNL sketch that call billionaires cannibals https://twitter.com/disco_socialist/status/1453271048842096642
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squid game was good. the final bet was resolved by the power of the state and its capacity to make material interventions in the lives of the poor despite being ignored by people in a position to voluntarily provide aid. that particular scene is enhanced because it’s so clear the subtext is that they’re betting on the relative empathy of the human race as a whole, and then the show comes along and clearly illustrates that capacity for empathy and the extension of basic services is manifested in the form of the state. it’s arguably a very Communist message
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/UrsulaV/status/1453547237259235331?t=Wzb0BZU1M4ZL1Hu54DjDgQ&s=19 i'm imagining a quippy marvel style dune and throwing up in my mouth a little.
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Some Guy TT posted:nomadland is anticapitalist in the same way squid game is if thats what you define as interesting nomadland seems absolutely schizophrenic because it feels like it set out to present a good, noble face of the libertarian(ish) freedom of American workers but the movie is about people living in their loving cars at the whim of global capital so it’s hard to take the movie’s message at face value
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uber_stoat posted:i'm imagining a quippy marvel style dune and throwing up in my mouth a little. they have worms now. they have worms now? THEY HAVE WORMS NOW!
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gradenko_2000 posted:they have worms now. So I just stick my hand in the death-box-thingy? Okay, I guess this is happening...
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babypolis posted:you could apply this to basically all of CSPAM and i think enough people know that posting here isn't marxism or anything i certainly get the argument around the incorrect or downright counterproductive nature of turning a critique of capitalism into a moral condemnation, but i don't think it would make for particularly good entertainment which is what that show ultimately is Dreylad has issued a correction as of 19:01 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Nomadland seems to be actually convincing Boomers to sell their homes, lose all their money living on the road, and finally become proletarians working at Amazon facilities rube
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The reason why the actors are sadistic is because it is a loving metaphor and microcosm. People have to be willfully sadistic agents in the game in order to represent the not-necessarily-willfully-sadistic-but-nonetheless-violent relationship between capital and labor. Pretty much everyone who watches it understands that. What gives away that this person doesn't understand Marx is the statement that capitalism is a social order with “specific problematic relationships” as opposed to one solely composed of these relationships with nothing meaningful outside of them besides maybe natural resource extraction.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:So I just stick my hand in the death-box-thingy? Okay, I guess this is happening... the slow blade penetrates the shield? tell me something I don’t know
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well thats just it squid game isnt actually about how billionaires are sadistic psychos the billionaires are by far the worst actors on the show and their presence only really serves to hamhandedly assert theyre bad theyre only really in there at all to keep us from feeling too sympathetic for the games mastermind a pathetic old man who thinks the squid game is a service for poor people with no other option and he isnt really wrong in the sense that the game itself is completely decoupled from the individual material circumstances that led people to join the game in the first place i do agree we cant expect serious analytic thought from a mainstream netflix production the greater issue is the literati acting as if simplistic acknowledgments of capitalist problems is sufficient bread and circus to compensate for their openly cheerleading a political reality that will insure these problems never actually get solved
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anyway if were seriously discussing the analytics of squid game i should probably link the full article https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/22/squid-game-and-the-problem-with-anti-capitalism/
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Some Guy TT posted:nomadland is anticapitalist in the same way squid game is if thats what you define as interesting Oh yeah, the movie that's literally Amazon-funded corporate propaganda is exactly the same as something that's message is flawed and reductive  indigi posted:nomadland seems absolutely schizophrenic because it feels like it set out to present a good, noble face of the libertarian(ish) freedom of American workers but the movie is about people living in their loving cars at the whim of global capital so it’s hard to take the movie’s message at face value It's only hard to take at face value if you are a leftist, my aunt and her friends saw it and called it 'brave' and 'inspirational.' When I asked them about how her Amazon job barely pays enough to keep her from being on the street, their response was a unanimous 'but she WANTS to live like that  'edit: Some Guy TT posted:anyway if were seriously discussing the analytics of squid game i should probably link the full article Holy living gently caress, unironically linking to Spiked. The nicest thing I think I can say about you at this point is that you're an amazingly bad leftist if you were actually fooled by The 'We're Totally Communist, Which Is Why We're So Lavishly Funded By Capital' Times In case you haven't figured it out yet, let's take a look at some of their current headlines: *https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/29/novara-media-and-the-lefts-tragic-turn-against-free-speech/ Title: Media and The Left's Tragic Turn Against Free Speech *https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/so-now-the-left-cares-about-big-tech-censorship/ Title: So Now The Left Cares About Big Tech Censorship? *https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/29/david-amess-and-the-terrorism-amnesia-industry/ Subtitle: Why the elites are so desperate to avoid discussing radical Islam *https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/22/the-trans-assault-on-freedom/ Title: The Trans Assault On Feedom Oh yeah, these guys for leftists, for sure Random Asshole has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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You put violence in something and all the dunce cap losers think it's about how liberalism is bad
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Dreylad posted:and i think enough people know that posting here isn't marxism or anything plenty of anticapitalist fiction is entertaining. Le Guin, Mieville, Lem, Butler, KSR, etc. you’re just not going to find a major studio to finance it without first stripping the revolutionary/damning critiques (as I expect is happening to the Parable of the Sower/Xenogenesis stuff in development). there’s even postcapitalist anti-liberalism fiction that would make entertaining as hell shows, like Banks’ Culture novels
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indigi posted:plenty of anticapitalist fiction is entertaining. Le Guin, Mieville, Lem, Butler, KSR, etc. you’re just not going to find a major studio to finance it without first stripping the revolutionary/damning critiques (as I expect is happening to the Parable of the Sower/Xenogenesis stuff in development). there’s even postcapitalist anti-liberalism fiction that would make entertaining as hell shows, like Banks’ Culture novels well I think the specific argument is that this stuff wouldn't be Marxist which I mean. sure. whatever. but yeah I take your point about entertaining anticapitalistic fiction.
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I never really looked into nomadland before but it seems like quintessential Oscar bait. Apparently there's a scene where the main character diarrheas into a bucket.
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Also Kumail Nanjiani went to high school at the Karachi Grammar School, a private school so bougie that it has loving houses a la Harry Potter, yet he portrays his background and his upbringing as amongst a bunch of Muslim Savages.
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indigi posted:nomadland seems absolutely schizophrenic because it feels like it set out to present a good, noble face of the libertarian(ish) freedom of American workers but the movie is about people living in their loving cars at the whim of global capital so it’s hard to take the movie’s message at face value people love living in cars and RVs now. I know a bunch of older people who think property taxes are unjust because they don't have kids in school anymore. Some have sold their homes and live in RVs now. I think younger people are into "Van Life" because it sells the idea of a fulfilling life for cheap when other living situations like home ownership or decent rental options are too expensive. yeah accelerationism is dumb
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Laterite posted:they have gom jabbars now?
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Dreylad posted:well I think the specific argument is that this stuff wouldn't be Marxist which I mean. sure. whatever. I think you can get close, though. Mieville and KSR are both at least Marx-ish (Trot jokes aside) and there was that Sally Rooney book people were making noise about recently
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ToxicAcne posted:Also Kumail Nanjiani went to high school at the Karachi Grammar School, a private school so bougie that it has loving houses a la Harry Potter, yet he portrays his background and his upbringing as amongst a bunch of Muslim Savages. he told a story on a podcast (rip The Champs) about how his family had a full time driver and servant who would literally be served their meals on the floor of the home. like, on plates and stuff, but on the floor, while the family sat at the table. lol. Atrocious Joe posted:I think younger people are into "Van Life" because it sells the idea of a fulfilling life for cheap when other living situations like home ownership or decent rental options are too expensive. yeah but they don’t “like” living in vans, as in it’s not a free choice they were given. they’re forced to make compromises to survive, and living in a van is the least-worst option to some able bodied, mostly-fit/young people. if they were given a voucher for a clean, secure, but small 1br apartment in their city of choice they probably wouldn’t forego it to live in a van. rich people living in RVs to dodge taxes isn’t really the same thing imo, if your vehicle has a built in toilet/sink/maybe shower it’s just a mobile home
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All easy mass media is interpenetrated to fit the world view of the people who are the most powerful and dedicated to put their time into make those interpretations. Right now the most powerful-dedicated critics are libertarians. It's very easy for libertarians to be dedicated to stories because stories follow around a single person's actions where the medium makes them the most powerful person. Libertarians are powerful because of sheer numbers and ability to say the same thing. They have this super baseline perspective of, "I made myself. No I don't take in the accounts of the government systems like roads, plumbing and electricity. I Code." Individual superhero movies make them happiest. One reason why Star wars is bad is because the wanna be darth vader and the ray character could be cut out of the story and the world would exist, Also the ray character is not an individual, she doesn't blow up the death star alone with magic powers. She helped, and is helped by friends. She's not king Author. mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 19:55 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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indigi posted:he told a story on a podcast (rip The Champs) about how his family had a full time driver and servant who would literally be served their meals on the floor of the home. like, on plates and stuff, but on the floor, while the family sat at the table. lol. This is most upper middle class and above families in Pakistan. At least in Lahore, they tend to be Christians from an untouchable background. A huge part of why I can't take North American Desi discourse seriously is how blond most people are to how much privilege they have.
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Atrocious Joe posted:people love living in cars and RVs now. I know a bunch of older people who think property taxes are unjust because they don't have kids in school anymore. Some have sold their homes and live in RVs now. I think younger people are into "Van Life" because it sells the idea of a fulfilling life for cheap when other living situations like home ownership or decent rental options are too expensive. I mean, accelerationism IS dumb, but more to the point the film presents the character's lifestyle as a CHOICE, whereas in reality it inevitably comes down to not having any other options. We're seeing such levels of poverty and destitution that we basically have Dust Bowl-era Okies again, something Amazon is gleefully taking advantage of, and the whole point of the movie is to recast their exploitative behavior as enabling people to embrace their choice of a proud vagabond lifestyle, that definitely doesn't have anything to do with material conditions, no sir! If you think that the people working at these warehouses are living one missed paycheck or car accident away from utter ruin by choice, then you've bought into the propaganda.
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ToxicAcne posted:Is Chloe Zhao an interesting director or was all the praise due to her talking poo poo about China and how great it is to be in the Land of the Free TM? She's alright but also I don't think any director can currently do anything interesting with the MCU because it's like a factory line. Thinking about how even though the action in Creed is sick, Ryan Coogler wasn't allowed to touch the action scenes for Black Panther.
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indigi posted:he told a story on a podcast (rip The Champs) about how his family had a full time driver and servant who would literally be served their meals on the floor of the home. like, on plates and stuff, but on the floor, while the family sat at the table. lol. I remember him saying on Harmontown once that his take on the book "Ishmael" was basically "the west shouldn't help foreigners". And I always thought it was bizarre because, and I admit it's been awhile since I've read it, but my initial takeaway was more about how assuming Capitalism will continue to work because it has so far is an incredibly bold assumption to stake the future of the planet on, and that there is no guaranteed "success" when you take the order the west developed and push it onto a underdeveloped country.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:I remember him saying on Harmontown once that his take on the book "Ishmael" was basically "the west shouldn't help foreigners". And I always thought it was bizarre because, and I admit it's been awhile since I've read it, but my initial takeaway was more about how assuming Capitalism will continue to work because it has so far is an incredibly bold assumption to stake the future of the planet on, and that there is no guaranteed "success" when you take the order the west developed and push it onto a underdeveloped country. My friend was telling me a story about how he met some Pakistani guy who came to Canada as a late teenager and was a straight up supporter of the PPC (far right party in Canada) so that's not really surprising. Almost everything people here criticize rich Latin Americans also applies to rich South Asians, and rich people elsewhere too I'm presuming.
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ToxicAcne posted:Is Chloe Zhao an interesting director or was all the praise due to her talking poo poo about China and how great it is to be in the Land of the Free TM? She can do okay but her parents are in the Panama Papers so take that as you will.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Oh yeah, the movie that's literally Amazon-funded corporate propaganda is exactly the same as something that's message is flawed and reductive expecting useful leftist critique from amazon or spiked? thats just crazy anyway let me tell you about how this netflix show that the mainstream press wont shut up about has its heart in the right place
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