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I assume there are no EVs that aren't connected to the internet all the time for over the air updates (and so car manufacturers can track your car), right?
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I'd go as far as to say that connectivity of some sort is almost mandatory for any EV that wants to claim usability beyond one charge worth of range. The ability for the nav system to be aware of charger availability is a major feature if done correctly.
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Oct 29, 2021 18:50
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wolrah posted:I'd go as far as to say that connectivity of some sort is almost mandatory for any EV that wants to claim usability beyond one charge worth of range. The ability for the nav system to be aware of charger availability is a major feature if done correctly. plus preconditioning for HVAC and remote monitoring of charging
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Oct 29, 2021 19:14
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wolrah posted:Technically you've still paid Apple royalties though which is slightly annoying. Any device that supports CarPlay has to have a special Apple authenticator chip in its USB path that does nothing but confirm that the vendor paid Apple a few bucks for that device. When I upgraded my Fiesta to Sync 3 it gained all the hardware and software required to technically support both Android Auto and CarPlay, only Android Auto actually worked because Ford put the magic Apple blessing in the USB hub instead of the main unit itself. If I cared about CarPlay I would have had to spend another $50 on a new USB hub that was otherwise functionally identical but contained the component that Apple got paid for. I think, but am not entirely sure, that this isn’t the case for newer implementations. If the infotainment system supports WiFi and Bluetooth (and thus could do wireless CarPlay), then I think the chip’s function can be implemented in software. There was a similar change for HomeKit auth chips when Apple realized that almost all manufacturers will pay for a MFI chip to plug their device into iPhones, but few will pay for a physical chip to allow iPhones to plug into their device. I’m sure there’s still a royalty, though, for both CarPlay and Android Auto. I also believe the infotainment system has to expose certain telemetry to the phone (speed, GPS location, etc.) for analytics.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:00
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wolrah posted:I'd go as far as to say that connectivity of some sort is almost mandatory for any EV that wants to claim usability beyond one charge worth of range. The ability for the nav system to be aware of charger availability is a major feature if done correctly. If only people carried around computers in their pocket that had internet access
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Oct 29, 2021 20:08
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gwrtheyrn posted:If only people carried around computers in their pocket that had internet access oh well EVs will just never work in this cruel and soon to be unlivable planet. Edit: also I mentioned this before but if you stole the map memory card out of a first gen leaf the heat and air conditioning couldn't functions because the screen would just stay locked on insert map card, lol.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:11
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My Polestar is supposed to be ready Tuesday.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:22
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some_admin posted:My Polestar is supposed to be ready Tuesday. I saw one on the road today. Looks real nice I also saw a powder blue Taycan on the same drive. That looked real real nice
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Oct 29, 2021 22:54
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Russian Bear posted:I assume there are no EVs that aren't connected to the internet all the time for over the air updates (and so car manufacturers can track your car), right? That's probably correct Polestar claims that their Polestar 2 and 3 vehicles cannot be tracked natively; that was a feature of the Polestar 1. You can turn off mobile data or even remove the sim card if you want the car to be offline, it's in a little slot next to the overhead lights. Not sure if it's possible to turn off the GPS
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Oct 29, 2021 23:24
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Dying to see what the Polestar 3 looks like btw, I hope its launch isn’t too delayed by all the chip shortage crap. They really need to have their performance package have the blue paint option too.
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Oct 29, 2021 23:26
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And I can almost guarantee that within 10 years people will have figured out how to root their Android Auto car, all bets are off at that point. poo poo will be super weird the first time someone hits a pedestrian and tries to blame it on their car's custom Android ROM
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Oct 29, 2021 23:30
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QuarkJets posted:poo poo will be super weird the first time someone hits a pedestrian and tries to blame it on their car's custom Android ROM The custom Android ROM the PO installed without their knowledge* For extra complications.
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Oct 30, 2021 01:29
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:This Chad doesn’t need your modern, life saving safety features getting in his way during an emergency Yes. Spend a few hundred hours honing emergency response is a far better safety option than generic electronics but that wont happen for the general populace. For Automotive Insanity types high performance driving courses even if you have a lot of track time is life saving and educational. I would recommend finding a day at a wet skid to maximise embarrassment, realisation and learning.
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Oct 30, 2021 05:09
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yes. Prove it
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Oct 30, 2021 05:37
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Spending hundreds or thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to save 5mb of weight in my car's infotainment.
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Oct 30, 2021 06:53
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VideoGameVet posted:You'd love my old Toyota: Brand new Toyota: 
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Oct 30, 2021 07:58
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yes. What does that have to do with Apple Carplay. Also, lol.
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Oct 30, 2021 08:05
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QuarkJets posted:And I can almost guarantee that within 10 years people will have figured out how to root their Android Auto car, all bets are off at that point. poo poo will be super weird the first time someone hits a pedestrian and tries to blame it on their car's custom Android ROM The Android OS runs on a virtual machine to insulate it from the rest of the car's systems. Also, I imagine an OS from Google to be far safer than all those rickety infotainment systems in existing cars. QuarkJets posted:That's probably correct GPS doesn't have a back channel, it's a one-way system. Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 08:07
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CyberPingu posted:It only applies to cars under £20k iirc but I'll need to check The only EV on the market right now with a boot like the Outlander is the Skoda Enyaq.
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Oct 30, 2021 08:32
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Yeep posted:The only EV on the market right now with a boot like the Outlander is the Skoda Enyaq. Oh no I'm not expecting the same size as an Outlander that would be mental.
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Oct 30, 2021 09:04
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CyberPingu posted:Oh no I'm not expecting the same size as an Outlander that would be mental. I think you’re going to struggle to find anything without a poo poo boot for under £20k. That’s realistically a second hand Zoe, i3 or Leaf. The first 2 are small city cars and the leaf is a large hatchback. All of them will have sub-200 mile range and on the off chance you find a long range Leaf in budget you’ll have to deal with Nissan’s bizarre decision to bolt the subwoofer bang in the middle of the boot. £28k is the maximum loan for a new EV. It used to be a £35k loan on cars up to £50k but I can’t see an upper limit on the vehicle value any more and there are cars on the eligible list that start at £48k. Second hand cars have to be £20k or less to qualify for the loan. The Energy Savings Trust can be really slow, so if you think you’re going to buy a car soon, especially one that might disappear like a second hand vehicle, get the application started now. If you pay anything other than a deposit you can’t apply for the loan and at one point they were taking over 6 weeks to process applications.
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Oct 30, 2021 09:57
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bird with big dick posted:Prove it If you are challenging that that then I have to think you haven't done a advanced driving day. And you really should do a few because it's the best investment car-wise you will ever make, not trying to be a smartass either, you genuinely should as it will make you a much better and safer driver, it's also a good deal of fun. But in the end you learn and you become a better driver. Driver training is something I'm am passionate about and have done on both sides for many years - I have also run events catering to beginners or up to national level racers and while I realise a lot of this cant be put into hard numbers I can talk about a slew of things electronics can not correct. Do you know how your car transitions when you are on the brakes? Do you know it reacts to sudden movements, have you even engaged ABS? Do you know where to sit to best control a car? Can you catch a oversteer movement? Do you understand the principle of smooth inputs? How about being able to not freeze when you realize it's all gone wrong? Or that the best strategy is learn how not to get into a bad situation in the first place? That sounds kinda dismissive but there are some simple things you can do like the proper place to be looking forward, situation awareness, or even down to do you check your tyre pressures? That's actually a bit of a trick I've had pulled when being a student and done later myself - while the attendees are being spoken to about catch and recover theory, go round and check tyre pressures on the cars.... it's quite normal to have a bunch with pressures just simply too low. Tyre pressures make such a difference to getting your rear end out of a bad situation but have you checked them lately? So how about the smoothness principle? What am I going on about there? Well, think about this and this will make sense when you stop and think. If you wanted to get the most juice out of an orange to drink, would you squeeze it or smash it with a bat? Same goes for a car chassis - rough inputs upsets the chassis and puts you in an even worse situation, while smooth (and that doesnt mean slow either, you can be smooth and lightning fast) works with the chassis and coaxes the best out of it so that in an emergency you arent making it worse. Braking is the same. Squeezing the brakes gets the car to threshold, slamming the brakes just makes the tyres lock - you should be squeezing progressively enough that the ABS doesnt kick in and you will stop considerably shorter. Also do you know the correct response to when ABS does begin to pulse and push back against the brake pedal? Because most ordinary drivers dont and poo poo themselves and make the situation worse. Push back harder. Drivers unaware of ABS pulsing often just lift brake pressure. They just slam into the back of the car in front I dont want you to shitpost or be all "k, whatever" or wether I didnt spread out numbers, I want you to stop and think about the questions I'm asking about your driving knowledge and ability here. I wont be writing anywhere near enough to even scratch the surface, this takes hours of lectures and hands on to become something you can execute in a swerve and recover (Do you know the worst thing you can do in the initial swerve is brake and being on the throttle is often the right idea? Do you know why?) . This is me being genuinely concerned that you are able to get home at night because there sure as gently caress are a lot of people who wont be who very, very likely would be still with us if they had some real driver training and why I want you to stop and really think about this issue. None of this is about going fast I add. This is about you and me just simply being safe, competent drivers able to deal with emergency situations more ably - or even better - just not get yourself in the situation in the first place. There more to saying electronics aren't as good as humans should be than wether you can catch a 160kph slide and more to saying driver licensing is woefully inadequate than how do you brake in an emergency This is one time you shouldnt shitpost in reply but to take a step back, think, then go book a driving day. It's not going to too far to say the life you could save is your own, lord knows before I had my first advanced day I was loving crap. Hell, the first thing I do once I get the turbo setup in my Forester going is go book a skidpan day to work on my driving safety, because in the end I really do have a passion for being the best driver I can be and helping others be likewise.
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Can you brake individual wheels? No, not even with hundreds of hours at the skid pad. The computer can and it does it before you can react. Driver training complements electronic aids, it doesn't replace it. I am going on both a skid pad and an ice lake when I get my Model 3, but it will be to learn how the entire car works, including the electronic aids.
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Oct 30, 2021 10:27
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Didn't you just describe basically everything you are taught when learning to drive?
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Oct 30, 2021 10:28
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Long rant Your points work only on your skilled driver angle. You are missing every granma with poor eyesight, any teenager texting, any imbecile with a truck with less visibility than an IFV and lots of others. The driving aids are not there because the motoring industry wants to throw shade, they are there because the average of drivers are poo poo and the majority of distracted/inattentive drivers sure as gently caress are not going to invest time on drivers ed. When the average driving license barely requires a pulse you need something to compensate for poo poo drivers, which is the gizmos in driving aids main purpose, making a poo poo driver slow down or be attentive on the road and taking control to save lives if required. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 10:32
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Also do you know the correct response to when ABS does begin to pulse and push back against the brake pedal? Because most ordinary drivers dont and poo poo themselves and make the situation worse. Interesting. Must be due to lack of decent drivers ed. Not braking hard enough using the ABS is pretty much the only segment in the risk assessment course you can fail the whole course on.' MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 10:38
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Electronic stability control and electronic traction control are features that absolutely save lives outside of the race track. If anything these features are still very inadequate, just watch videos of people driving on icy bridges and see how 99% of them slam on the brakes when they start to spin out.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:03
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Also do you know the correct response to when ABS does begin to pulse and push back against the brake pedal? Because most ordinary drivers dont and poo poo themselves and make the situation worse. First of all, this is extremely insulting. Second of all, absolutely none of this is any sort of evidence that you're better at controlling a car that e.g. hits a patch of snow mid corner than modern ESC. Its reasoning that good drivers are better than bad drivers, not good drivers are better than ESC. Ola posted:Can you brake individual wheels? No, not even with hundreds of hours at the skid pad. The computer can and it does it before you can react. Driver training complements electronic aids, it doesn't replace it. I am going on both a skid pad and an ice lake when I get my Model 3, but it will be to learn how the entire car works, including the electronic aids. I agree with Ola.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:37
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A reasonably skilled driver with the assistance of modern ABS/SCS equipment is nearly immune to single-car accidents. An idiot with the same vehicle will still roll it. A reasonably skilled driver might be a few tenths faster around a dry racetrack with all that stuff turned off. These are all separate arguments.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:40
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MrYenko posted:A reasonably skilled driver with the assistance of modern ABS/SCS equipment is nearly immune to single-car accidents. The argument here though isn't really any of those three things though is it? It's that a skilled driver is safer in emergency maneuver/inclement weather/icy conditions with all that stuff turned off, right?
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Oct 30, 2021 13:49
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bird with big dick posted:The argument here though isn't really any of those three things though is it? One could argue that, but it’s demonstrably false. You can be FASTER in those conditions, but not safer. Anything else is just stroking your own ego.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:58
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Oct 30, 2021 14:01
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I'm really confused that someone is coming into the most pro-tech thread in AI, and making GBS threads all over tech and expecting people to slap their back and agree wholeheartedly. Or they're just screaming into the ether. That's weird as hell too.
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Oct 30, 2021 16:57
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Look, I just want a simple 1970s car without any fancy pants "e-lectricals" like "ABS" or "Collision Avoidance Braking". Why doesn't the market cater to my edge-case needs?! Why am I forced into subservience by these tech lords!
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Oct 30, 2021 18:09
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Yeep posted:The only EV on the market right now with a boot like the Outlander is the Skoda Enyaq. Listen, I know that car names are getting more ridiculous evey year, but at least try to put a bit more effort than just slamming your hands on the keyboard and calling it a day.
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Kunabomber posted:I'm really confused that someone is coming into the most pro-tech thread in AI, and making GBS threads all over tech and expecting people to slap their back and agree wholeheartedly. Or they're just screaming into the ether. That's weird as hell too. I agree with them. I’m converting my Tesla to an classic mechanical engine design that I read about on the Internet. No fancy chips or buttons, and it even reduces my electricity use to zero! Just fill up a tank with old dinosaur juice and go.
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Oct 30, 2021 18:40
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Sonic Dude posted:I agree with them. I’m converting my Tesla to an classic mechanical engine design that I read about on the Internet. No fancy chips or buttons, and it even reduces my electricity use to zero! Just fill up a tank with old dinosaur juice and go. Crate 350, man.
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Oct 30, 2021 18:44
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:If you are challenging that that then I have to think you haven't done a advanced driving day. And you really should do a few because it's the best investment car-wise you will ever make, not trying to be a smartass either, you genuinely should as it will make you a much better and safer driver, it's also a good deal of fun. But in the end you learn and you become a better driver. OK we get it, you don't like Apple CarPlay
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Oct 30, 2021 19:01
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Sonic Dude posted:I agree with them. I’m converting my Tesla to an classic mechanical engine design that I read about on the Internet. No fancy chips or buttons, and it even reduces my electricity use to zero! Just fill up a tank with old dinosaur juice and go. Ok Mr rich rebuilds
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I’m honestly surprised how slowly the newly announced Toyota EV does 0-60. I know there are other important measures of acceleration (0-30 and throttle response) and it isn’t a priority for their target demographic, but is there any justifiable reason a mainstream consumer EV should take more than 8 seconds to get there? I’m mostly considering this from a safety perspective.
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