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Oct 29, 2021 19:56
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The cynical part of me says the university's plan should be to agree, get the money, get the conditions tossed as illegal (not anywhere near passing fire code), then go "aw shucks, we tried but those bureaucrats just won't let us build it"
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Oct 29, 2021 20:06
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The whole thing reminds me of UC Davis's stupid "Death Star" building, which was intentionally designed to be impossible to navigate so that people would have to talk to each other to find their way around. Turns out instead of making people feel more connected people just hate going to the building.Foxfire_ posted:The cynical part of me says the university's plan should be to agree, get the money, get the conditions tossed as illegal (not anywhere near passing fire code), then go "aw shucks, we tried but those bureaucrats just won't let us build it" Yeah but if you pull those sorts of tricks then rich people won't give you money in the future. Of course he's only putting up $200 million out of $1.5 billion total here, so what they should do is scale down to a non-nightmarish hell building that will only cost $1.3 billion.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:13
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The Death Star is rad! I don't think there is a right angle anywhere on the building. Davis is an art college, so it makes sense to have some weird experimental design.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:15
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eSporks posted:The Death Star is rad! I don't think there is a right angle anywhere on the building. Its biggest draw is as more of an ag/vet school. And a bunch of my classes were in that building and I hated it. Like I think the building is visually neat but I am very opposed to the idea of designing something to be intentionally frustrating. I think that's a poor design goal.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:18
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Somebody on Twitter posted screenshots of the ground floor design. There are lots of emergency exits on the sides of the building; there are only two entrances, but a lot of exits. An ancient piece of forced socialization. When my father was teaching college, all the teachers went down to the mailboxes themselves. When a new student center went up, the administration moved the mailboxes there so that the teachers would be visible there. Instead, everybody started sending their staff to pick up the mail.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:20
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I love how a billionaire puts up a fraction of the total price and everyone just bows to his ridiculous demands. well the real value proposition for the public is the invaluable Visionary Leadership from the billionaire
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Oct 29, 2021 20:24
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Centrist Committee posted:Lol this state worships wealth more devoutly than the most pious religious community yes, also every other state does too lol 
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Oct 29, 2021 21:39
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eSporks posted:The Death Star is rad! I don't think there is a right angle anywhere on the building. ive never even heard of anyone choosing to go to Davis for an art degree unless they happen to be from Davis lol
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Oct 29, 2021 22:29
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https://twitter.com/LesserFrederick/status/1454135007992291344?s=20 At first I thought this plan was just laughably dystopian, but when I paged through the design presentation, it didn't look too bad. The lack of windows would suck, but housing stock in the area is basically non-existent. The market rate for a one-bedroom is heading north of $2,000/month. Lucky students are living three to dorm room or bouncing between hotel rooms, the unlucky students are talking about commuting 2.5 hours via Amtrak, or living out of their car. There's certainly other solutions - building ample Haussmann-style apartments, moving the university back to online classes, or constructing traditional apartment tower complexes. But when I think about my own college dorm it doesn't sound too different - just larger. Kaal fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 29, 2021 23:28
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In my dorm, it was impossible for one sick student to block all access to sanitary facilities for 7 other people.
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Oct 29, 2021 23:43
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We're still in the middle of a massive pandemic, creating the densest living environment on the planet seems like a recipe for disaster when the next one comes along. And for the number of people we're talking about those rooftop services seem pretty inadequate, and it seems like the building is pretty far from the regular campus services so you can expect most of the residents to try to use what's on-site. If you brought a similar plan but were only housing maybe a thousand people I'd still think you'd need to add more windows and green spaces but at least it wouldn't bring the host of issues cramming that many people into such a small space is naturally going to have.
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Oct 29, 2021 23:48
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Arsenic Lupin posted:In my dorm, it was impossible for one sick student to block all access to sanitary facilities for 7 other people. Yeah in my dorm they'd have been blocking access to 11 other people. We had two toilets and sinks for 24 students per wing/floor, a couple curtain showers, a study space, and a utility sink. One common room per wing and a basement laundry were the only other amenities. At least we had windows though! Kaal fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Oct 29, 2021 |
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Oct 29, 2021 23:50
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over 90% of "POOR" people have a window!
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Oct 30, 2021 00:01
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Kaal posted:https://twitter.com/LesserFrederick/status/1454135007992291344?s=20 do they say anywhere how much they're going to charge for it because every college student i know avoids school dorms like the loving plague because they charge even more than the slumlords do lol
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Oct 30, 2021 00:05
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Larry Parrish posted:do they say anywhere how much they're going to charge for it because every college student i know avoids school dorms like the loving plague because they charge even more than the slumlords do lol It holds 4500 people, UCSB has a freshman class of about 4800 people each year. They'll just require freshmen to live in the school dorms unless their home address is within some distance of campus. That's what my college did.
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Oct 30, 2021 00:12
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How else do you think they're going to pay for their investment vehicle, scandal hush money, and administrative costs? vvvv sure, but much like housing projects, the goal here isn't any kind of quality of life for the people living there.
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Oct 30, 2021 00:13
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You can do dense housing that doesn't loving suck. Density doesn't necessarily require it to be a piece of poo poo
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Oct 30, 2021 00:13
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Larry Parrish posted:do they say anywhere how much they're going to charge for it because every college student i know avoids school dorms like the loving plague because they charge even more than the slumlords do lol They aren't planned to be finished with the building until 2025, so I don't think there's any rates yet. Average room and board at UCSB is $15,520. When the school year started I think there were still about 900 people on the list of students who wanted school housing and couldn't get it - and that's not including the students who got put up in area hotels or reconfigured lounges. Kaal fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 00:15
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Goodpancakes posted:You can do dense housing that doesn't loving suck. Density doesn't necessarily require it to be a piece of poo poo Who are you to question the vision of a thousand year old billionaire?
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Oct 30, 2021 00:16
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Goodpancakes posted:You can do dense housing that doesn't loving suck. Density doesn't necessarily require it to be a piece of poo poo you need the proles to know their place
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Oct 30, 2021 00:17
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Foxfire_ posted:SB277 in 2015 is the most recent law about school vaccinations. That quoted bit about religious exemptions applies only to when an additional unenumerated vaccine is added to requirements (paragraph 11)
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Oct 30, 2021 01:02
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eSporks posted:The Death Star is rad! I don't think there is a right angle anywhere on the building. lmao no it's absolutely not. I went to Davis and it is far from an art school, and it's history is historically a lot of agriculture and veterinary work and it has world-class programs and facilities in that department; like maybe top in the entire country. By far the biggest swaths are devoted to those two programs and they are very good. It's also become prestigious and more well-known for Engineering (in particular Civil which is what I did) but also has fairly robust Political Science and International Relations given it's deep ties with state government as typical slate of regular stuff but those are more of the things It's Known For. almost no one was there for art, there are actual dedicated art colleges that are far better and far cheaper. and yes death star mostly sucks but it's not that bad to get around. unless you have to find the administrative section at the top tower overlooking the plebs.
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Oct 30, 2021 01:03
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Ok, it's not an "art school," but it's pumped out some notable artists and the culture of Davis itself is very enmeshed with the arts. All I was trying to say is that Davis is weird, so it make sense it would have a weird building.
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Oct 30, 2021 01:14
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Kaal posted:https://twitter.com/LesserFrederick/status/1454135007992291344?s=20 yeah honestly my main problem with it is that he isn't footing the whole bill. Actually looks like more space per person than where I lived for my freshman year. If he wanted to fork over enough of his own cash for UCSB to build a giant pseudo-arcology, I don't think I'd really have any objections, and would probably find it kinda interesting. But evidently he's only forking over $200m towards a proposed construction cost of over a billion, which, yeah, no. If you have that singular and weird of a vision, you cover the whole thing Charlie. https://twitter.com/alfred_twu/status/1454181222855299077?s=20 It would be hilarious is this was what got SB NIMBYs to be ok with normal apartment buildings. Just threaten them with The Cube whenever they complain about views or neighborhood character. Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 02:14
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Fill Baptismal posted:
I had assumed they were going to build this in Isla Vista or on campus, where there are no NIMBYs. Were they planning to build it in Santa Barbara proper?
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Oct 30, 2021 02:24
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VikingofRock posted:I had assumed they were going to build this in Isla Vista or on campus, where there are no NIMBYs. Were they planning to build it in Santa Barbara proper? I was talking more about land use in the general area (have to imagine that boomer NIMBY types wouldn't want something like this anywhere near them at all). I believe that the UC, as a state entity, has a lot more lattitude with land use than normal builders, yeah. But rest assured, lovely older people who evidently didn't know they were buying a house next to giant undergrad university can still gently caress things up. Look at what's happening in Berkeley right now, where they literally managed to sue to get the school to admit less students.
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Oct 30, 2021 02:31
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https://twitter.com/alfred_twu/status/1454174057780318211
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Oct 30, 2021 03:06
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Fill Baptismal posted:yeah honestly my main problem with it is that he isn't footing the whole bill. Actually looks like more space per person than where I lived for my freshman year. If he wanted to fork over enough of his own cash for UCSB to build a giant pseudo-arcology, I don't think I'd really have any objections, and would probably find it kinda interesting. But evidently he's only forking over $200m towards a proposed construction cost of over a billion, which, yeah, no. If you have that singular and weird of a vision, you cover the whole thing Charlie. At a glance, the UCLA student building expansion looks like a much better approach - more refined, more complex, and more flexible. But I would guess that there is a critical element here, in that the UCLA complex also has more than twice the ground square footage, and has a high rise that is quite a bit taller as well. If UCSB is tight on space and concerned about pushback for constructing a 20+ story building along the coast (or blocking an airport route) then there could be fairly practical limitations on how large of an envelope they can fill.
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Oct 30, 2021 03:38
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eSporks posted:Ok, it's not an "art school," but it's pumped out some notable artists and the culture of Davis itself is very enmeshed with the arts. are we living in the same universe because it might be one of the most soulless places I've ever been in my life. its a traffic jam with trendy marketing. lmfao Larry Parrish fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 05:14
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I mean, the rest of campus is also adjacent to the airport
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Oct 30, 2021 05:23
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CPColin posted:I mean, the rest of campus is also adjacent to the airport Yeah, and the campus as a whole actually has better air quality than the city proper because there's much fewer cars. At least according to the AQI maps of the area.
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Oct 30, 2021 06:00
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Larry Parrish posted:are we living in the same universe because it might be one of the most soulless places I've ever been in my life. its a traffic jam with trendy marketing. it has those weird egg head statues around campus and there are some nice green spaces, the arboretum is generally pleasant to walk through. But yeah it's flat and there's not much excitement to be found. I feel like saying the place is weird is akin to saying mayo is spicy.
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Oct 30, 2021 06:20
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Wicked Them Beats posted:it has those weird egg head statues around campus and there are some nice green spaces, the arboretum is generally pleasant to walk through. It has a bunch of a weird co-ops. It has a cool bike mueseum. Theres a bunch of little galleries, not to mention the good museums on campus. Davis is a fun quirky little town.
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Oct 30, 2021 14:08
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Fill Baptismal posted:https://twitter.com/alfred_twu/status/1454181222855299077?s=20 UCLA built a bunch of graduate student housing and then didn’t pay grad students enough to live there and then got mad we weren’t living there and then the department got mad they had to start paying us more or they’d loose their share of housing. At least that was the case in my department. The rental cost was more than our take home.
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Oct 30, 2021 15:22
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MickeyFinn posted:UCLA built a bunch of graduate student housing and then didn’t pay grad students enough to live there and then got mad we weren’t living there and then the department got mad they had to start paying us more or they’d loose their share of housing. At least that was the case in my department. The rental cost was more than our take home. Weyburn terrace?
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Oct 30, 2021 19:20
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MickeyFinn posted:UCLA built a bunch of graduate student housing and then didn’t pay grad students enough to live there and then got mad we weren’t living there and then the department got mad they had to start paying us more or they’d loose their share of housing. At least that was the case in my department. The rental cost was more than our take home. This is the most UC poo poo I've ever heard.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:03
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Weyburn terrace? Yep!
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Oct 30, 2021 22:09
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Why does the building have to be a cube without windows? Where does all the space go? Do you need huge common rooms more instead of windows and toilets, how does the dorm life work? I'm from Finland so I have no idea. If you had to have a common room how many people in the common room would be still a tolerable amount?
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Ihmemies posted:Why does the building have to be a cube without windows? Where does all the space go? Do you need huge common rooms more instead of windows and toilets, how does the dorm life work? I'm from Finland so I have no idea. Most college dorms are just normal buildings with small bedrooms and shared bathrooms. Depending on the setup there might be a smaller communal space for every 4-8 bedrooms or maybe there's a single large communal area for the entire building. That's why this design is so hilariously bad. There's no reason for it to be set up like a prison. It's just some billionaire using money to impose his dystopian vision upon students who will have no choice in the matter.
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