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Vashro posted:wow it's Mary's lack of original sin that was immaculate? I thought it immaculate because she was a virgin and got pregnat Yeah, it's specifically a catholic doctrine (not even official until the 1800s either)
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Jestery posted:The immaculate conception resulted in Mary's birth, not Jesús's 
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Oct 27, 2021 18:47
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Starting to feel like Mary is just somebody's OC.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:57
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exquisite tea posted:Starting to feel like Mary is just somebody's OC. It's where we get the overly competent "Mary Sue" from. It's not 
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I think someone just had trouble reconciling "Jesus was born of woman" and "women are icky gross sinful whores" in their mind and came up with this solution. I don't really get it either.
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RoboRodent posted:I think someone just had trouble reconciling "Jesus was born of woman" and "women are icky gross sinful whores" in their mind and came up with this solution. Specifically, the Catholic church went all-in on Saint Augustine's doctrine of Original Sin where we're all born with an already tainted nature that we inherited ultimately from Adam and Eve. That is, not just that we're sinners, but we explicitly bear their sin as well. Since Jesus needs to be without sin, Immaculate Conception lets Mary have an untainted nature and therefore no original sin for Christ to inherit. IC is actually a pretty controversial doctrine and while you do have people who believe it personally in other denominations, I think maybe the Ethiopian Orthodox church is the only other one that holds it officially. You know the whole idea about papal infallibility? It doesn't apply to everything the Pope says, just statements that are invoked ex cathedra. In the history of the church that's only happened twice*: once about Immaculate conception, and once about the Assumption of Mary (Jesus physically took her to heaven a la Elijah) *This is actually hotly debated since no one agrees exactly what falls under ex cathedra. Some people argue that it happens every time someone is canonized. It's pretty much universally agreed upon that those two statements about Mary count, but no one agrees on anything else.
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St.Augustine was an early pioneer of fan fiction.
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Augustine was a weird loving dude. We read some of Confessions (I think?) in my Latin class and there was a big chunk where he wrote about going to a chariot race and being disgusted at all the unwashed sheeple who haven't seen the light of God.
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I remember the part where a teenage Augustine and his friends stole some from fruit from a tree and he later felt ashamed over how gay that was.
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exquisite tea posted:I remember the part where a teenage Augustine and his friends stole some from fruit from a tree and he later felt ashamed over how gay that was. Those drat peaches live in my head rent free. I think about them all the drat time. packetmantis posted:Augustine was a weird loving dude. We read some of Confessions (I think?) in my Latin class and there was a big chunk where he wrote about going to a chariot race and being disgusted at all the unwashed sheeple who haven't seen the light of God. It was a gladiator fight, and that wasn't what he said at all. He was talking about how despite it being immoral he still got caught up in he excitement of the crowd.
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drat it I knew I was misremembering but I decided to  
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packetmantis posted:Augustine was a weird loving dude. We read some of Confessions (I think?) in my Latin class and there was a big chunk where he wrote about going to a chariot race and being disgusted at all the unwashed sheeple who haven't seen the light of God. Augustine talks a little about intersex people, and he’s like “I don’t fully understand this, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them as male, because being male is clearly superior”.
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Platystemon posted:Augustine talks a little about intersex people, and he’s like “I don’t fully understand this, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them as male, because being male is clearly superior”.  This is funny in an "almost there dude!" sort of way.
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christmas boots posted:Specifically, the Catholic church went all-in on Saint Augustine's doctrine of Original Sin where we're all born with an already tainted nature that we inherited ultimately from Adam and Eve. That is, not just that we're sinners, but we explicitly bear their sin as well. Since Jesus needs to be without sin, Immaculate Conception lets Mary have an untainted nature and therefore no original sin for Christ to inherit. This is an interesting post, I learned something new today. Thanks!
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I love the concept of The Assumption - dying Mary just Superman-ing into the stratosphere while everyone goes wtf
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packetmantis posted:
A lot of the world’s problems can be explained by the way his train of thought works. “I don’t know” is sufficient, dude. Maybe add something like “maybe one day someone smarter than me will figure it out”.
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The Mighty Moltres posted:This is an interesting post, I learned something new today. Thanks! Some of that info was new to me as well until I was double checking some of my facts for that post!
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Mongo in Blazing Saddles is Webster's dad
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AKA Pseudonym posted:Mongo in Blazing Saddles is Webster's dad Also he was actually married to the woman who played Webster's mom on that show. That's some pretty extreme Stanislavski method acting poo poo but the show rated well so I can't fault them. They were a married couple who produced the show through their production company. In a weird mirror of the show's plot they'd originally planned on doing a wacky married oddcouple show with no kid, then the station signed Emmanuel Lewis and shopped around for a show they could slot him into and Karras & Clark jumped at the chance, then Lewis' character pretty much became the central focus of the show and the station decided to even name the show after him, against the wishes of Karras & Clark
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Oct 30, 2021 03:46
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He was also a Hall of Fame NFL player.
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I've never seen the film and know nothing about it, so I could be wrong, but I think I've just discovered that the Bergman film is The Seventh  not The Seventh 
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Henchman of Santa posted:He was also a Hall of Fame NFL player. His character in Webster was also an ex-NFL player, the dude really went to some extreme lengths in preparing for that role
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Lady Disdain posted:I've never seen the film and know nothing about it, so I could be wrong, but I think I've just discovered that the Bergman film is It's like seven samurai but for the environment
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Jestery posted:It's like seven samurai but for the environment Nature hires seven fur seals to protect it from robbers ?
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Lady Disdain posted:Nature hires seven fur seals to protect it from robbers ? Rubbers, but close
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The Thirteenth Whale
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Lady Disdain posted:Nature hires seven fur seals to protect it from robbers ? Well, six seals. One of them turns out to be a sea lion, and the others rib him about it.
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I would absolutely love to watch that film 
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Oct 31, 2021 00:30
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Courtney Barnett hasn't actually been around for that long and has only released 2 solo albums despite me hearing her songs everywhere.
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I'm pretty sure she put out her third LP a couple months back, and she had a few EPs before that that got a ton of attention.
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Oregon + Idaho = Oreida, aka the cheapo potato products company.
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Trabant posted:Oregon + Idaho = Oreida, aka the cheapo potato products company. 
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Lady Disdain posted:I would absolutely love to watch that film It will be made by Dreamworks, all of the seals will be voiced by James Corden with the sealion being Kevin Hart.
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Jestery posted:The immaculate conception resulted in Mary's birth, not Jesús's My dad was almost a priest. He quit the Novitiate because he wanted kids. He always taught me that it wasn't a "virgin birth" it was that Mary was without sin and a pure woman. That doesn't mean she didn't have sex. It just meant that she was born without sin. The stuff about Jesus being born without Joseph is speculative and pretty darn poorly translated. Also, people were unclear as to how conception worked. Miraculous births were pretty common back then due to lack of understanding. Jesus is Jeshua Ben Joseph after all.
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mostlygray posted:My dad was almost a priest. He quit the Novitiate because he wanted kids. He always taught me that it wasn't a "virgin birth" it was that Mary was without sin and a pure woman. That doesn't mean she didn't have sex. It just meant that she was born without sin. The stuff about Jesus being born without Joseph is speculative and pretty darn poorly translated. Also, people were unclear as to how conception worked. Miraculous births were pretty common back then due to lack of understanding. It's funny that Latin cultures name their first born Jesus (hey zeus) and Anglos do Joshua, which means the same thing.
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mostlygray posted:The stuff about Jesus being born without Joseph is speculative and pretty darn poorly translated. quote:So the Biblical scholars mis-translated the Hebrew word for "young woman" into the Greek word for "virgin," which was a pretty easy mistake to make, since there is only a subtle difference in the spelling. But back then it was the "virgin" that caught people's attention. It's not every day a virgin conceives and bears a son. So you keep that for a couple of hundred years, and the next thing you know, you have the Holy Catholic church.
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I have seen Snatch more times than is imaginable. That is a line from Benicio del Toro in the elevator posing as a mensch. And it never fails to land.
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mostlygray posted:He quit the Novitiate because he wanted kids. Usually it's the other way around
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