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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Imagined posted:

So I'm watching this old Jackie Chan movie today, 'Armour of God', and there's this amazing chase scene featuring this adorable Mitsubishi Colt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQ49LBnWKM

Pretty sure that movie was the first time I saw a Mitsubishi Pajero.


StormDrain posted:

I guessed a 67 Fleetwood Limousine and I think I got it in one.

From a time when that was "limo" enough. Got I hate the super-ultra-mega-stretch limos every idiot has to have for their prom night or whatever. Those things are hell in traffic. And corners.
Also, that thing is coooooooool.

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Night Danger Moose
Jan 5, 2004

YO SOY FIESTA

Darchangel posted:

Pretty sure that movie was the first time I saw a Mitsubishi Pajero.

There was one of those at the last Cars & Coffee I went to! It was neat.

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

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Soiled Meat
For those who may not frequent the chat thread..

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BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
A "continuation" special with a difference:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ford/cosworth/44856

CNC Motorsport AWS is building 3 new Andy Rouse Group A Sierra RS500's. £185,000.

quote:

For a start, all three of them will be made with the blessing of Andy Rouse, and built to the specifications that his company, Andy Rouse Engineering, used for its works-run Group A RS500 touring cars back in period. That means using the original drawings to manufacturer any bespoke Rouse parts, such as the front suspension uprights, rear trailing arms, fuel tank enclosure and side-exiting exhaust.

On top of that, CNC Motorsport AWS is the only certified manufacturer of the original Rouse rolls cages. Moreover, each car comes with a 583hp Cosworth YB engine that's freshly assembled by Vic Drake - a man who, over the years, built more than 100 RS500 engines for Rouse Engineering.

The first car will even be built around an unused 909 Motorsport shell that's been in storage since the 1980s. The other two will use original bodyshells made to the exacting standards set out by Rouse, and all three will be supplied with HTP papers for competition.



A 1988 Rouse RS500 with racing provenance sold in 2019 for £170k, so probably well priced?

Have some Cossie vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywooLVq3tws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUAwYTNfZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYdkjkrDZNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzQPCkHzfc

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Ford race cars are getting a bit of a revival at the minute, there's a mk1 Escort in the works too. That's being handled by some dickheads though who want to throw too much luxury at what was essentially the bare essentials of a car. Getting a Quaife diff but they're not getting Quaife to do the entire driveline which would just make things a lot simpler and cooler (because Quaife). I forget what other secrets I was told but it seems like the big wigs are meddling too much. I think they want to jam enormous wheels on it too like c'mon man.

*edit: I like materials science.

This is like the kind of thing you'd see a weed smoker who also raced on the weekends do.

quote:

"Introducing a plant-derived natural material called biocomposite." This is a cowl of Dome F111 / 3 made from hemp, but there are also examples of making radiator shrouds!

Bottom tweet:

quote:

"SF NEXT 50" started with the aim of "creating a sustainable motor sports industry" with Super Formula

https://twitter.com/DOME_RACING/status/1452505180428111874?s=20

Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 28, 2021

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

BuckyDoneGun posted:

A "continuation" special with a difference:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ford/cosworth/44856

CNC Motorsport AWS is building 3 new Andy Rouse Group A Sierra RS500's. £185,000.



A 1988 Rouse RS500 with racing provenance sold in 2019 for £170k, so probably well priced?

Have some Cossie vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywooLVq3tws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUAwYTNfZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYdkjkrDZNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzQPCkHzfc

I love the RS500. Still just one of the truly great RWD race cars.

Rouse cars were drat good but honestly if you want the absolute pinnacle, you wanted a Johnson car - DJR really made themselves *the* Sierra workshop if you wanted cars that not just were fast, but lasted. There's a few vids floating about when DJR took a car or two and did some rounds of the BTCC - it was really a race who came second. It's really interesting looking back because Australia really dint quite *get* Group A to begin with but by the end the Aust teams were producing the fastest Group A cars of them all and builidng cars for Europe / Japan.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

That year Brockie got pole with his Sierra, using a little "assistance" in his qualifying run by pointing his fire extinguisher at the intercooler and giving it a blast every so often to cool it down.

Yeah, DJR knew how to build a Sierra that could last, not go like a hand grenade. Got a 1:43 model of his 1989 car

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

I love the RS500. Still just one of the truly great RWD race cars.

Rouse cars were drat good but honestly if you want the absolute pinnacle, you wanted a Johnson car - DJR really made themselves *the* Sierra workshop if you wanted cars that not just were fast, but lasted. There's a few vids floating about when DJR took a car or two and did some rounds of the BTCC - it was really a race who came second. It's really interesting looking back because Australia really dint quite *get* Group A to begin with but by the end the Aust teams were producing the fastest Group A cars of them all and builidng cars for Europe / Japan.

Feels like it helped that DJR ran them longer than everyone else too? So really reached the pinnacle of development. I was not a Ford guy, but you couldn't help but admire Dick wrestling those things around the Mountain, on skinny as gently caress tyres, armfulls of lock, with wild numbers being thrown around about special "qualifying" engines with the boost turned way the hell up, which was probably bullshit but added to the aura anyway.

I think another good example of that same skillset is the GT-R's - many things discovered and solved by Gibson ended up in later revisions of the RB26.

quote:

Following Bathurst, the team were then set to take the race winning Richards/Skaife GT-R to the Fuji Speedway in Japan for the 1991 Fuji 500 race, but were asked not to do so by the head of NISMO in Japan. The Japanese company were fearful that the Australian built car would easily outpace and defeat the Japanese GT-Rs at Fuji after having seen at first hand the overwhelming speed of the Gibson built car at Bathurst. NISMO claimed that it would be bad for business for their own factory backed cars, as well as those of their customers, to be soundly beaten by an overseas built (although still factory backed) GT-R.

From Wiki, who knows how much is true vs myth and legend, but still, there it is. Why the gently caress didn't I buy an R32 when they were NZ$25k.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

BuckyDoneGun posted:

Feels like it helped that DJR ran them longer than everyone else too? So really reached the pinnacle of development. I was not a Ford guy, but you couldn't help but admire Dick wrestling those things around the Mountain, on skinny as gently caress tyres, armfulls of lock, with wild numbers being thrown around about special "qualifying" engines with the boost turned way the hell up, which was probably bullshit but added to the aura anyway.

The hp numbers weren't bullshit, if anything they were understated.

The Sierra time period was when Shell sponsorship was pouring cash in DJR and one of the few times Dick Johnson wasn't struggling for cash - he used to work miricles on a shoestring, when the money taps opened DJR could produce a car that was so so good.

quote:

I think another good example of that same skillset is the GT-R's - many things discovered and solved by Gibson ended up in later revisions of the RB26.

From Wiki, who knows how much is true vs myth and legend, but still, there it is. Why the gently caress didn't I buy an R32 when they were NZ$25k.

Oh that aint no myth, the Gibson cars were the fastest Group A cars ever and they were getting over 700 hp and Skaife - whatever people think of him otherwise - was an insanely good chassis setup driver. You could see just how much more Skaife understood touring car setup in the earlier days of V8Supercars while they were more ore less really Group A with freedoms and how his car was much softer but able to out handle everyone else with better tyre life.

Didnt hurt that Winfield dumped cubic money into Gibson Motorsport before the cigarette ad bans.

There's a few periods where Aust tin top racing was the best the world had to offer and the early 90's was one of them. I'd rather watch a Bathurst then even if it's cakewalk than the modern snoozefests and the contrived close BS that seems to infest Bathurst now. Also gently caress the small fields for the 1000, I want to see 45-50 cars rip Mountain Straight on the opening lap again, 28 cars just get lost on a circuit that big. And yeah, lets throw in rent a drive weekend warriors that get in the way of the pros so we have angry pit interviews when a pro driver fucks up passing a back marker

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

absolute :agreed: to all of the above

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The hp numbers weren't bullshit, if anything they were understated.

The Sierra time period was when Shell sponsorship was pouring cash in DJR and one of the few times Dick Johnson wasn't struggling for cash - he used to work miricles on a shoestring, when the money taps opened DJR could produce a car that was so so good.

Oh that aint no myth, the Gibson cars were the fastest Group A cars ever and they were getting over 700 hp and Skaife - whatever people think of him otherwise - was an insanely good chassis setup driver. You could see just how much more Skaife understood touring car setup in the earlier days of V8Supercars while they were more ore less really Group A with freedoms and how his car was much softer but able to out handle everyone else with better tyre life.

Didnt hurt that Winfield dumped cubic money into Gibson Motorsport before the cigarette ad bans.

There's a few periods where Aust tin top racing was the best the world had to offer and the early 90's was one of them. I'd rather watch a Bathurst then even if it's cakewalk than the modern snoozefests and the contrived close BS that seems to infest Bathurst now. Also gently caress the small fields for the 1000, I want to see 45-50 cars rip Mountain Straight on the opening lap again, 28 cars just get lost on a circuit that big. And yeah, lets throw in rent a drive weekend warriors that get in the way of the pros so we have angry pit interviews when a pro driver fucks up passing a back marker

I still enjoy the modern stuff when I watch it, but decades on pay tv has done damage. I agree, 90's ATCC/Supercars and BTCC were stunning watching.

Good writeup here:
https://drivetribe.com/p/the-worlds-fastest-sierras-O-K3fQfDQ0Sakfzyi3AwxQ?iid=BZgfpNV0RWyaf39zls11Fg

quote:

The Sierras were heavily dependent on their turbos to produce power. Without the turbo, they produced just 90hp. With the turbo delivering 2.4 bar of boost, they produced 680.

See, 680 sounds about right to me over the often quoted 550-600. But I recall hearing rumours of approaching 800hp for qualifying, which is mad, but I guess believable?

The video I posted earlier of Dick vs the GT-R is interesting. Dick on the ragged edge, clearly with a speed advantage on the straights, with the GT-R taking no prisoners when the 4WD came in to play. But also weren't the GT-Rs socked with like 150kg extra ballast at Bathurst 92? WHICH THEY WON EVEN WHILE IN THE WALL gently caress THE HATERS JIMMY WAS RIGHT YOU PACK OF ARSEHOLES.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Olympic Mathlete posted:

*edit: I like materials science.

This is like the kind of thing you'd see a weed smoker who also raced on the weekends do.

Bottom tweet:

https://twitter.com/DOME_RACING/status/1452505180428111874?s=20

Not a composites specific engineer, but I am a materials scientist (and engineer)!

Hemp's reasonably popular insofar as folks trying to use it in composite materials because of the obvious ecological (and economic - way easier to manufacture) benefits, but iirc there's a lot of problems with actually getting matrix materials to adhere to hemp fibers vs the more standard glass fibgers and just overall inconsistency in manufactured properties.

Per the chart on their website, http://www.dome.co.jp/bcomp/bcomp.html , the composite material they're using (ampliTex 5040) has an elastic modulus (弾性率) in the 0° direction of about 9 GPa. Which is pretty well below even E-glass composites, let alone any of the stronger types of glass fibers, and almost an order of magnitude weaker than carbon fiber composites.

Still interesting, but it also feels a bit like the kind of 'interesting' that's for chasing buzz and headlines than because it serves an actual functional purpose... Even in their own demonstration car, the structurally important components (chassis, hoop, HALO, etc) are all still carbon fiber. So they basically just took a cutting wheel and sawed off all the less stressed accoutrements and remade them in this hemp-based composite material, then screwed them back on.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


^^ interesting read, thank you for the knowledge!

This is brilliant.

https://twitter.com/RCRracing/status/1454143393655820289?t=TWuqBxjDT2hMIhbZAOburQ&s=19

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

BuckyDoneGun posted:

I still enjoy the modern stuff when I watch it, but decades on pay tv has done damage. I agree, 90's ATCC/Supercars and BTCC were stunning watching.

BTCC in the early 90's before they got aero packages was legitimatly the best racing bar none. Great mix of cars, simple parity regs, cars without big aero grip sliding and letting drivers door handle to door handle with a lot of biff and barge.

quote:

Good writeup here:
https://drivetribe.com/p/the-worlds-fastest-sierras-O-K3fQfDQ0Sakfzyi3AwxQ?iid=BZgfpNV0RWyaf39zls11Fg

See, 680 sounds about right to me over the often quoted 550-600. But I recall hearing rumours of approaching 800hp for qualifying, which is mad, but I guess believable?

The video I posted earlier of Dick vs the GT-R is interesting. Dick on the ragged edge, clearly with a speed advantage on the straights, with the GT-R taking no prisoners when the 4WD came in to play. But also weren't the GT-Rs socked with like 150kg extra ballast at Bathurst 92? WHICH THEY WON EVEN WHILE IN THE WALL gently caress THE HATERS JIMMY WAS RIGHT YOU PACK OF ARSEHOLES.

About 650-680 is about right, 800hp just wasnt possible with that setup if you wanted to complete a lap. It' might well be today with alcohol but not then. Even if the "98 RON" was a really special witches brew that had some absurd properties unlike the out of a tanker fuel they use today with E85, you would need alcohol to not melt a piston at the first throttle application.

Also fromthe article

quote:

After qualifying, Tom Walkinshaw lodged a protest against the three DJR Sierras and the Sierra of Longhurst and Tomas Mezera. This meant that DJR had to disassemble all three of their cars for scrutineering and rebuild them in time for the shootout. DJR team manager Neil Lowe retaliated by protesting against the HRT Commodores. The four Sierras were deemed legal, and the HRT Commodores illegal in a post race investigation.

Just a reminder just how much of an rear end in a top hat Walkingshaw actually was.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

BTCC in the early 90's before they got aero packages was legitimatly the best racing bar none. Great mix of cars, simple parity regs, cars without big aero grip sliding and letting drivers door handle to door handle with a lot of biff and barge.

Aero ruins every series it touches.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


VIP Celsior. Niiice.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Just a reminder just how much of an rear end in a top hat Walkingshaw actually was.
I was reading a write up on the Jaguar XJS V12s that Walkinshaw ran at the 1985 Bathurst. They cheated with a number of things, like having a different front frame rails compared to a stock XJS. However Tom also had a production XJS made up with this setup, and used it as evidence when questioned.

Another thing he cheated on was fuel capacity. He would have a bladder inflated in the fuel tank, giving the scrutineers one figure, then during the race would let the air out so it gave the tank a bigger capacity.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...
Sounds like an Australian Smokey Yunick.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The fuel thing totally does, but that frame rail bit is next level. :lol:

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Godholio posted:

The fuel thing totally does, but that frame rail bit is next level. :lol:

supposedly yunick had some tweaked aero / shaved drip rails / flushed glass on one of his chevelles, and had a similarly prepared street car in the parking lot for the same reason

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

I always liked his fuel hose idea.

Not sure if he came up with acid dipping, that might have been around quite a while.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

I think there are multiple books about Yunick’s creative interpretation of the rule book.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Boaz MacPhereson posted:

Sounds like an Australian Smokey Yunick.

Tom was Scottish

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

You Am I posted:

Tom was Scottish

Shows what I know. (Not much)

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
Tom might be a prick but I'd still kill for a "Walkinshaw", the VL Commodore SS Group A SV. One of those bedroom wall poster cars for some of us.




Course it's hopelessly out of reach these days, so I dunno, a replica might have to suffice, then I can chop it/swap it (monster RB30DETT build?) without care.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Are they the most expensive production Holden? Clearly the most expensive Australian car is the Phase III, but it would have to be either the VL Walkinshaw or maybe the VK Brock for Holdens.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
From a quick look they don't seem to go that high? Saw a recent one reach $310k, which doesn't seem that high given I've seen very late model low km manual LSA HSV's attracting 200-300k here in NZ.

I did see earlier in the year a manual LSA Maloo W1 went for AU$1m, but seemingly not a production car, they only made W1 sedans, and about 4 utes for GMH execs, of which this was one, so an outlier.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Memento posted:

Are they the most expensive production Holden? Clearly the most expensive Australian car is the Phase III, but it would have to be either the VL Walkinshaw or maybe the VK Brock for Holdens.

HDTs get right up there. Still kick myself for not picking up a HDT bonnet for $100 6 months ago.

Anecdote:
At the final day of the museum I had a few cordials and managed to exclaim within hearing distance of Peter that I think the wheels look like poo poo. I also turned up in a busted rear end VY Executive with steelies so was REALLY not in any position to judge.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
I dunno, cop spec Holden steelies are awesome, especially widened.

But not many wheels hold a candle to the classic Aussie hot rod wheel, the Simmons FR-1:


Is there any other wheel that looks as good on as many different cars in every different fitment? TE37's maybe?

Night Danger Moose
Jan 5, 2004

YO SOY FIESTA

BuckyDoneGun posted:


Is there any other wheel that looks as good on as many different cars in every different fitment? TE37's maybe?

Gonna throw my 2c in with Enkei RPF1s. I haven't seen a vehicle they look bad on yet. I don't run them myself but everything I've seen them on looks great. Of course, I've only seen them on newer vehicles - I think the oldest was a 2013ish civic? - but nothing has looked bad.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
Yeah they're up there and while I've seen them on pretty much everything Japanese going back to the 80's, I've never seen on older than that. The Simmons have ended up on everything down here over the years. You have to be OK with modern wheels on older cars for them to work but I think they do, although certainly some of these are jumbo show car size but gently caress the haters, hell you gotta admire fitting gold plated 22x13's in the back of a VL. That's FULLY SIK spec for sure.






lilbeefer
Oct 4, 2004

Night Danger Moose posted:

Gonna throw my 2c in with Enkei RPF1s. I haven't seen a vehicle they look bad on yet. I don't run them myself but everything I've seen them on looks great. Of course, I've only seen them on newer vehicles - I think the oldest was a 2013ish civic? - but nothing has looked bad.

I am trying to work out what wheels to put on my altezza, and RPF1s are certainly in the mix. However I feel like both TE37s and RPF1s are a bit overplayed. Would love something a bit more unique but still cool

edit: at the moment it is sitting on loving 18MY corolla wheels or similar, because thats what it came with when I bought it. I have no doubt it came with amazing wheels when it was imported and they swapped them out for these wheels

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Regamasters.

lilbeefer
Oct 4, 2004

Very good suggestion. In a similar vein, I saw some compmotive lancia delta style wheels on facebook, and while they would probably look loving weird on a rwd toyota, I would love to see if they would work.

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

BBS imo has some really good rims for a lot of classical (as well as modern) cars.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

lilbeefer posted:

I am trying to work out what wheels to put on my altezza, and RPF1s are certainly in the mix. However I feel like both TE37s and RPF1s are a bit overplayed. Would love something a bit more unique but still cool

edit: at the moment it is sitting on loving 18MY corolla wheels or similar, because thats what it came with when I bought it. I have no doubt it came with amazing wheels when it was imported and they swapped them out for these wheels

RPF1 do not look good on the current WRX/STI. And the reason you see them on everything is they cause they're a very inexpensive, very light wheel in a "flow forged" or spun casting. Good for track and I presume this gives them "street cred" or "because racecar" vibes. Enkei also claims to get the styling from F1.

Imperador do Brasil
Nov 18, 2005
Rotor-rific



um excuse me posted:

Enkei also claims to get the styling from F1.

This is a true claim. They made F1 wheels in the 90’s that inspired the look of the RPF1

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


OZ Superturismos are really nice, though I haven't seen them on enough cars to say they're a universal good choice.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


https://imgur.com/gallery/6sDEqwH

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


21 years ago an Aussie band called Frenzal Rhomb had a competition to win their tour wagon. You had to guess what was in the glovebox. I think the winning answer was funnily enough 'gloves'.



I, the discerning wagon enthusiast flipped my lid when a chick that worked at the local music store actually won it. She's had it all these years and was recently spotted on a truck to get restored.

Today was a good day full of nostalgia :)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPswaIbREF0

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