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No. 1 ANIME HATER posted:LMAO that Frank Herbert was so specific in wanting his point to come across that in the book Paul basically breaks the fourth wall to say "Hey everyone, I'm worse than Hitler. No bones about it, I'm Hitler^2. Big ol' Hitler over here. That's me. Doing a Hitler up in this piece like Hitlers do, ya know. Enjoying this fine Hitler day doing Hitler stuff." and people are still like "well no Paul's the good guy, right?" thats because most fantasy/scifi fans are nazis or stalinists and they wish that a magic space daddy would give them power to genocide their enemies
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Nov 2, 2021 09:50
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ChubbyChecker posted:thats because most
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People are just fantastically bad at understanding non-heroic protagonists or unreliable narrators. Whether or not that's because they're so accustomed to heroic protagonists and omniscient narrators. Readers/viewers who consider themselves savvy, discriminating audiences routinely miss simple core themes and, once they're pointed out or become undeniable, double-down and say they don't make sense. Being an audience for mass market media by design isn't hard, but people are still bad at it.
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Nov 2, 2021 10:17
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This meme freaked out my sleep addled brain as I thought the creator had somehow gotten into my photos account. No, I've just apparently taken an almost identical photo at the same place:  (It's on the coast of Peru, south of Lima) So this post isn't completely worthless: 
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Nov 2, 2021 10:33
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Nov 2, 2021 11:03
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IIRC, the British did that way earlier in the 1300s when they were fighting in France, resulting in roving bands of British ex-soldiers raiding and pillaging through most of Europe before ending up in Italy as notorious mercenaries. Good times.
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Nov 2, 2021 11:27
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Why do soldiers rape so much How about less raping? tahnks
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Nov 2, 2021 11:29
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they're all from Tisdale
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Nov 2, 2021 11:33
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Oh, famous place, say no more
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Nov 2, 2021 12:14
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Collapsing Farts posted:Why do soldiers rape so much When you spend a significant amount of time training people to see other people as not human or of less worth so its easier for them to kill, then some of them will inevitably apply those lessons to other areas. The solution is to not have soldiers.
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Nov 2, 2021 12:23
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HelixFox posted:(It's on the coast of Peru, south of Lima) What’s Lima? What is that?
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Nov 2, 2021 12:32
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:this is going to be like the time I bought the audiobook of the simlarillion to be able to understand the meme thread isn't it The audiobook didn’t help, did it?
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Nov 2, 2021 12:40
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Mega Comrade posted:When you spend a significant amount of time training people to see other people as not human or of less worth so its easier for them to kill, then some of them will inevitably apply those lessons to other areas. It's cute you think people need training for this. The rampant rape and murder of innocents part not the fighting in the face of death part. Guyver has a new favorite as of 12:56 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 12:53
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neurotech posted:What’s Lima? What is that? Lima balls
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Nov 2, 2021 12:55
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Who What Now posted:Lima balls Lima beans was right there
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Nov 2, 2021 13:35
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Succ otash
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Nov 2, 2021 13:38
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Killer robot posted:People are just fantastically bad at understanding non-heroic protagonists or unreliable narrators. Whether or not that's because they're so accustomed to heroic protagonists and omniscient narrators. Readers/viewers who consider themselves savvy, discriminating audiences routinely miss simple core themes and, once they're pointed out or become undeniable, double-down and say they don't make sense. Being an audience for mass market media by design isn't hard, but people are still bad at it. wasn’t the author’s point that paul was heroic and that was a major part of the problem?
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Nov 2, 2021 13:55
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i like the dog in your avatar
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Nov 2, 2021 14:03
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wuffles posted:wasn’t the author’s point that paul was heroic and that was a major part of the problem? I mean there is a bit of linguistic talking past each other going on there maybe It depends on if you actually define hero=good guy You could say he is NOT a hero because his means are terrible You could say he IS a hero, but heroes are bad actually It's more that things that we identify as heroism are often not really great things
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wuffles posted:wasn’t the author’s point that paul was heroic and that was a major part of the problem? I think you mean becoming mythologized and in that course more or less being unable to ultimately controll what people made of it and what they use him for, uhh perhaps. He decides to cross the point of no return instead of dying in the desert. He has seen what will happen, yet is unable to stop the jihad, because the alternatives lead to worse outcomes for humanity in the future. At a certain point, his real person is completely detachable from the myth and chain of events that will follow. Not even his death will stop what's coming. The only thing that is left to do, is to make it less terrible. Paul accepts becoming the villian.
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Nov 2, 2021 14:26
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Nov 2, 2021 14:28
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The Bloop posted:I mean there is a bit of linguistic talking past each other going on there maybe "Hero's Journey, but evil" was probably more groundbreaking when written in the 60s than when made into a movie today, to be fair
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Nov 2, 2021 14:35
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Guyver posted:It's cute you think people need training for this. There are countless studies from multiple armed forces from multiple countries that show this to be not true. In WW2 only 15-20% of Allied forces would initially shoot at the enemy (the exact number is disputed by some but the overall issue is agreed upon by most). It was a huge problem and led to many allied counties completely scrapping and redoing their entire training infrastructure (many copying how Germany had done theirs). The USA managed to get its fire rate above 50% by Korea and up to 90% by Vietnam. Mega Comrade has a new favorite as of 14:42 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 14:35
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Mega Comrade posted:There are countless studies from multiple armed forces from multiple countries that show this to be not true. In WW2 only 15-20% of Allied forces would initially shoot at the enemy. It was a huge problem and led to many allied counties completely scrapping and redoing their entire training infrastructure (many copying how Germany had done theirs). Y’know what the real funny part is? They’re actually using the psychological training to completely dehumanize your opponent and force yourself into a constant state of threat in police academies right now, so that’s one more great thing the American army’s brought the world
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Nov 2, 2021 14:41
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Nov 2, 2021 14:47
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Yeah we basically brainwash them into mindless killing machines so that anybody who leaves the force has to be put down like they do with fighting dogs, extremely normal country over here
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Nov 2, 2021 14:52
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oscarthewilde posted:Y’know what the real funny part is? They’re actually using the psychological training to completely dehumanize your opponent and force yourself into a constant state of threat in police academies right now, so that’s one more great thing the American army’s brought the world Yep. The most famous being David Grossman, who after 2 decades of training soldiers how to kill thought "hmmm maybe this could work for the police! Them seeing citizens as the enemy couldn't possibly have negative consequences." Behind the bastards did an excellent episode on him ( just search for "The Man who teaches our cops to kill" if you're interested. ) Mega Comrade has a new favorite as of 14:58 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 14:54
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Mega Comrade posted:There are countless studies from multiple armed forces from multiple countries that show this to be not true. In WW2 only 15-20% of Allied forces would initially shoot at the enemy (the exact number is disputed by some but the overall issue is agreed upon by most). It was a huge problem and led to many allied counties completely scrapping and redoing their entire training infrastructure (many copying how Germany had done theirs). Way to completely ignore the second sentence.
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Guyver posted:Way to completely ignore the second sentence. So you think people need to be trained to kill the enemy but will murder innocents fine. Ok
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Nov 2, 2021 15:03
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Nov 2, 2021 15:14
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For that "I quit my job" text message meme.
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Nov 2, 2021 15:17
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You don't need training to do crimes against humanity but it does help. Or at least a supportive social structure of some kind that helps validate the decisions you make.
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Nov 2, 2021 15:20
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HelixFox posted:This meme freaked out my sleep addled brain as I thought the creator had somehow gotten into my photos account. No, I've just apparently taken an almost identical photo at the same place: TRIPPY e,c: 
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Nov 2, 2021 15:29
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i like the dog in your avatar Too bad, the dog, corrupted by the power that comes with possessing a waffle, becomes Ultra Hitler in the second book.
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Unmute: https://i.imgur.com/sJVyLwQ.mp4
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