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CyberPingu posted:On a slightly different subject, Make sure you're using the slim clips; I believe it comes with two pairs of regular-depth clips (if you don't have RAM clearance issues with your particular motherboard, you can get and mount a second standard depth fan) and one pair of slim-depth clips.
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CyberPingu posted:So far single core tests arent pushing it above 60C and thats even with a very silent fan profile set (CPU fan currently at 748 rpm) The performance, not the temps. With Zen2, AMD CPUs lose performance when undervolted despite showing identical/better clockspeeds.
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Scythe posted:Make sure you're using the slim clips; I believe it comes with two pairs of regular-depth clips (if you don't have RAM clearance issues with your particular motherboard, you can get and mount a second standard depth fan) and one pair of slim-depth clips. Yeah its using the slim clips. i compared them to the normal clips that are being used by the 2nd fan.
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Ok so after some minor tweaks to fan curve and chucking in 2 intake fans at the bottom I managed to get idle temps with no undervolt to 38C and underload all core 100% doesnt go above 68C. Success!
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Also whoops. The way I had routed the bottom two fans meant the back panel didn't close properly. Which meant the front panel wouldn't close and when I popped the front panel in place it pushed the back panel off and pushing the back panel in again popped the front panel off But rerouted the bottom fan cables through the front panel void and along the top and now everything closes successfully 
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Meshilicious is on sale for a good price. https://slickdeals.net/f/15368044-ssupd-meshlicious-mini-itx-case-mesh-side-panel-with-pcie-3-0-riser-cable-black-86-39?src=tdw
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VulgarandStupid posted:Meshilicious is on sale for a good price. It's crazy how much competition there is in the SFF PC space nowadays. What would you guys prefer: Meshilicious for $100-160 NZXT H1 w/ SFX PSU and AIO Cooler for $200 (https://nzxt.com/product/h1?sscid=b1k5_1t4by) Hyte Revolt 3 for $130 (https://hyte.com/revolt-3/) I'm leaning toward the NZXT H1, but I already have a Corsair SF600 Platinum that I can use.
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Meshlicious for sure.
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Canna Happy posted:Meshlicious for sure.
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Gay Retard posted:It's crazy how much competition there is in the SFF PC space nowadays. What would you guys prefer: Meshilicious, but I wouldn't call you wrong for going the Revolt route. NZXT H1 I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole; yeah, they've supposedly resolved their fire hazard issues, but the complete clusterfuck of how they handled it has completely torched any trust I might've had in the company.
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I'm a sucker for the Revolt's headphone hanger, as someone who is currently using a surplus desk with a hanger that he turned into a bootleg L desk to hang his headset. I've long since stopped doing LAN parties, but the carrying handle would be fun for those if you're into old school poo poo. I'd probably go for it and remove the handle.
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Gay Retard posted:I'm leaning toward the NZXT H1 hope you like supporting a company that makes things catch on fire and then tries to cover it up
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:hope you like supporting a company that makes things catch on fire and then tries to cover it up Wow - that's a real shame. I definitely prefer the form factor and overall finish of the NZXT, but the whole recall situation is probably why you can find them for under $200 nowadays 
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Definitely the Meshlicious. You can fit a 280mm AIO in there.
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As a Meshlicious owner with a 280mm AIO installed I've actually been a bit disappointed with the end result But at the same time the CPU's a 5900x and my room's ambient temp already hovers around 29C anyway 
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have you tried not living in a furnace
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I actually switched to air cooling in the Meshlicious. The Scythe Big Shuriken 3 works pretty well on a 5600x and just barely fits in there.
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Butterfly Valley posted:have you tried not living in a furnace Sorry, I live in the desert with an old who thinks the thermostat being set any lower than 81-82F is a mortal sin 
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Cross-Section posted:Sorry, I live in the desert with an old who thinks the thermostat being set any lower than 81-82F is a mortal sin Make them live in the room with your PC, running Cinebench 24/7 with extra quiet fan curve
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Cross-Section posted:As a Meshlicious owner with a 280mm AIO installed I've actually been a bit disappointed with the end result Zen3 is a different animal than pretty much every other desktop CPU (i guess until tomorrow!). With a 280 AIO, you will still see pretty high peak temps, especially if you have PBO/Auto OC on. I def do with a 5950X. It really doesn't matter how much radiator or pumpspeed you throw at it, youll still see like 80c+ peaks with PBO and 70c+ stock. The thermal density on the compute dies, plus the inefficiencies of heat transfer from silicon -> indium solder -> gold foil -> nickle plated copper heatspreader -> thermal paste -> nickle plated copper cold plate -> water limit the abilities to pull heat away fast enough. A lot of the time it can be more informative to look at the coolant temps to get an idea of whether things are working ok. If they are higher than that, you may want to look to make sure you got good thermal paste coverage, a good waterblock mount, and that the motherboard isnt secretly upping the voltage with an auto OC setting when you turn XMP on. Zen 3 is a hungry wee bastard.
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Cross-Section posted:Sorry, I live in the desert with an old who thinks the thermostat being set any lower than 81-82F is a mortal sin do you guys look like McPoyles when you emerge from your sauna for food and to run errands, etc?
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Cygni posted:Zen3 is a different animal than pretty much every other desktop CPU (i guess until tomorrow!). With a 280 AIO, you will still see pretty high peak temps, especially if you have PBO/Auto OC on. I def do with a 5950X. It really doesn't matter how much radiator or pumpspeed you throw at it, youll still see like 80c+ peaks with PBO and 70c+ stock. The thermal density on the compute dies, plus the inefficiencies of heat transfer from silicon -> indium solder -> gold foil -> nickle plated copper heatspreader -> thermal paste -> nickle plated copper cold plate -> water limit the abilities to pull heat away fast enough. A lot of the time it can be more informative to look at the coolant temps to get an idea of whether things are working ok. I've actually managed to find a decent heat/noise compromise by power limiting both my CPU and 3080 Ti GPU (undervolting improved performance but didn't seem to cut temps by nearly as much as I thought it would). Still get 90-100+ FPS in modern games at 3840x1600 and my room doesn't feel like the inside of a jet turbine.  Ok Comboomer posted:do you guys look like McPoyles when you emerge from your sauna for food and to run errands, etc? i take offense with this comment for one, it is a dry heat, not a wet hea
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Cross-Section posted:for one, it is a dry heat, not a wet hea properly operating saunas are dry heat, not wet heat
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Ok Comboomer posted:properly operating saunas are dry heat, not wet heat lmao I've never actually been inside an actual sauna
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Undervolting a 3080 Ti is something I've found to be somewhat tricky to find the sweet spot for. I think the best clock speed to target is somewhere around 1900 MHz. This gives pretty close to stock performance, maybe slightly worse, but you can drop voltages by a lot at that clock speed (I'm doing 830-something mV iirc, not at my pc to verify). I would try to dial in an undervolt at around 1850 to 1900 MHz before going further with power limiting, as that is essentially a much less power-efficient form of underclocking. The 3080 Ti is really quite inefficient above 1900MHz. You can reach up to 2100MHz without much issue (that's the default max boost clock for a lot of OC cards, including the FTW3 Ultra, though you rarely reach it at the stock config), but it does not seem to give a proportional increase in performance. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Undervolting a 3080 Ti is something I've found to be somewhat tricky to find the sweet spot for. I think the best clock speed to target is somewhere around 1900 MHz. This gives pretty close to stock performance, maybe slightly worse, but you can drop voltages by a lot at that clock speed (I'm doing 830-something mV iirc, not at my pc to verify). I would try to dial in an undervolt at around 1850 to 1900 MHz before going further with power limiting, as that is essentially a much less power-efficient form of underclocking. I just tried a 850mv at 1850 undervolt and I was still hitting a loud 79-80C in Outer Worlds where my 75% power limit had it basically lock at a much quieter 70-73C. About 15 to 20 less FPS admittedly, but at 100+ that doesn't really mean much in non-multi games. Quite a bit of coil whine too, though I'm not sure if it was coming from the PSU or the card itself.
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Cross-Section posted:I just tried a 850mv at 1850 undervolt and I was still hitting a loud 79-80C in Outer Worlds where my 75% power limit had it basically lock at a much quieter 70-73C. About 15 to 20 less FPS admittedly, but at 100+ that doesn't really mean much in non-multi games. Try combining the two. Do an undervolt and then a power limit. Or alternatively, undervolt and limit your fps in the nvidia control panel. When you power limit, you're reducing current at a given voltage, so you should make sure you're doing so at the most efficient voltages you can. That should help with coil whine too if it's coming from the card. I also suspect you could get a lower voltage at that clock, but I get it if you don't want to spend ages messing with that.
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Cygni posted:Zen3 is a different animal than pretty much every other desktop CPU (i guess until tomorrow!). With a 280 AIO, you will still see pretty high peak temps, especially if you have PBO/Auto OC on. I def do with a 5950X. It really doesn't matter how much radiator or pumpspeed you throw at it, youll still see like 80c+ peaks with PBO and 70c+ stock. The thermal density on the compute dies, plus the inefficiencies of heat transfer from silicon -> indium solder -> gold foil -> nickle plated copper heatspreader -> thermal paste -> nickle plated copper cold plate -> water limit the abilities to pull heat away fast enough. A lot of the time it can be more informative to look at the coolant temps to get an idea of whether things are working ok. Not only does it spike like that, but a lot of monitoring software uses a different sensor reading (edit: or polling interval, etc.) than ryzen master for whatever reason, and that reading might be anywhere from 0 to 15 degrees higher. Kinda freaked me out when I installed NXZT CAM at first. rarbatrol fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Cross-Section posted:lmao I've never actually been inside an actual sauna you’re missing out 
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Try combining the two. Do an undervolt and then a power limit. Or alternatively, undervolt and limit your fps in the nvidia control panel. When you power limit, you're reducing current at a given voltage, so you should make sure you're doing so at the most efficient voltages you can. That should help with coil whine too if it's coming from the card. Trying the same undervolt at 80% power gets me.... about 5-10 FPS higher in-game? It's honestly a bit hard to tell, but it's definitely quieter now. Hotter too, but that's the slightly-higher power cap at work.
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I'm pulling the trigger on this parts list next week or so. Any red flags or something you think I am missing? This is going to be a HTPC for my bedroom. CPU: Intel Pentium Gold G6400 4 GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI H510I PRO WIFI Mini ITX LGA1200 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2133 CL15 Memory ($31.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon) Case: Silverstone ML05B HTPC Case ($76.25 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Silverstone SFX 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($96.99 @ Amazon)
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Gay Retard posted:It's crazy how much competition there is in the SFF PC space nowadays. What would you guys prefer: Another reason to choose the Mechilicious is that you can get these: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1053061087/sffpc-case-human-feet-mod-3d-printed
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Action-Bastard posted:I'm pulling the trigger on this parts list next week or so. The red flag is building a HTPC rather than just getting something like a Shield. I shouldn't talk tough because I'm still using a HTPC on one TV.
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Warmachine posted:It's not SFF, but I feel noiseless passive cooling designs are the other half of the SFF madness coin. Because lets face it, when we're building custom high performance SFF PCs, what we're really trying to do is cheat engineering and minimize compromises while maintaining (or improving) performance. Also Ali is basically the patron saint of this thread. Their ITX model, "The First" looks really cool. I'd take a hard look at it if it didn't look like you had to void your graphics card warranty by removing the pre-installed heat sink/fans. Is there any place you can get "bare-bones fan-less graphics card," or refurbished or pre-used graphics cards that haven't been ruined by mining crypto?
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Their ITX model, "The First" looks really cool. I'd take a hard look at it if it didn't look like you had to void your graphics card warranty by removing the pre-installed heat sink/fans. Is there any place you can get "bare-bones fan-less graphics card," or refurbished or pre-used graphics cards that haven't been ruined by mining crypto? I'm pretty sure removing the fans and heatsink does not void your warranty. Edit. Appears that as of now only the US has made warranty stickers illegal unfortunately (or fortunately if you live in the US I guess)
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I really don't get what the point of chasing something totally passive and silent is given the many compromises you need. My aircooled nr200 and 3080 build is very quiet under load and with headphones on, inaudible.
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Butterfly Valley posted:I really don't get what the point of chasing something totally passive and silent is given the many compromises you need. My aircooled nr200 and 3080 build is very quiet under load and with headphones on, inaudible. For the same reason you felt the need to put a 3080 in an sff case: it's cool. Also different people have different sensitivity to noise, different use cases (maybe audio production) etc. Of course a $700 case where you have to shim your bare die GPU into a cyberpunk assembly is a very niche product and not for most people. But I kinda want one for no reason at all.
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Butterfly Valley posted:I really don't get what the point of chasing something totally passive and silent is given the many compromises you need. My aircooled nr200 and 3080 build is very quiet under load and with headphones on, inaudible. Yeah with the scythe and a couple of NFA12s I literally cant hear my system when it's on To the point when the fan curve goes up slightly it annoys me
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VorpalFish posted:For the same reason you felt the need to put a 3080 in an sff case: it's cool. I can buy the 'for the sake of it' argument but it doesn't compare to my situation at all. With the nr200 there's not really any compromises to fit an FE 3080, certainly nothing like whats needed to make an entirely passive system, and the main reason I did it was size as I live in a small apartment and didn't want an unnecessarily huge case taking up room. I imagine anyone worried about audio production to the point of needing absolute silence would have professional equipment for that or just move the PC into a different room.
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Butterfly Valley posted:I can buy the 'for the sake of it' argument but it doesn't compare to my situation at all. There's always compromises. For example, audible under load without headphones is a compromise. I was able to get an air cooled nr200 to be inaudible under load even without headphones, but it meant restricting the 3080 to about 260w via an undervolt. That's a also a compromise. I bet with a pair of 140mm fans at 500-600 rpm on the beast you could push 300w+ through the card and not hear it from like 6 inches away. Is that worth what the case costs? Eh, probably not for most people. It's a very niche product. But it's cool.
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