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Inbreeding is a frequent result of intentional breeding schemes
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Nov 2, 2021 16:21
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skasion posted:Inbreeding is a frequent result of intentional breeding schemes Sure but it seems the BG are better at it than 18th century Europeans
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Nov 2, 2021 16:37
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The Bloop posted:Not exactly inbred with the implications that word has yeah that's more accurate. i bet there are a lot of hosed up noble children, "failed experiements" that stay locked up in towers where no one can see them.
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Nov 2, 2021 16:39
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The Bloop posted:Not exactly inbred with the implications that word has PLANNED BENE GESSERIT BREEDING PROGRAM Vladamir Harkonnen + Gaius Helen Mohiam I I I I I Lady Jessica + Leto Atreides I I I I (nephew) Feyd-Rautha + "Paula" Atreides I I Kwisatz Haderach That's some quite intentional inbreeding. e: SA posting messed up my well diagramed family tree
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Nov 2, 2021 16:39
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European aristocrats: We've done it. We've created the Kwisatz Haderach Kwisatz Haderach: 
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Nov 2, 2021 16:40
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Phlegmish posted:European aristocrats: We've done it. We've created the Kwisatz Haderach Kinda close to how I picture Fenring actually
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Nov 2, 2021 16:43
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Dune with wigs is actually a great idea tbh
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Nov 2, 2021 16:44
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old great houses like habsburg and osman may have lost their empires but the families are still around and could be united to produce some kind of messianic figure through a religiously motivated breeding scheme in whatever kind of world emerges after the next societal collapse due to severe water shortages and intolerable climate
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Nov 2, 2021 16:51
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That would imply those real world houses have any sort of real genetic justification for their lineage beyond a delusional and obsessive need to hold on to temporal power that most of them no longer have
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Nov 2, 2021 16:55
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The earth is ruined! Someone get an inbred european aristocrat in here, they'll know what to do
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Nov 2, 2021 16:56
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DebonaireD posted:It was one guy complaining about Jessica's emotions and he thought the chinese jedi in rogue one was better, soooo... you really don't have to respond. One guy recently but there have bwen several in the pages since the movie was widely available bud
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Nov 2, 2021 16:56
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Ror posted:Kinda close to how I picture Fenring actually haha, yeah, he was what came to mind when imagining Bene Gesserit cakes that fail to rise in the oven.
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Nov 2, 2021 16:57
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Phlegmish posted:European aristocrats: We've done it. We've created the Kwisatz Haderach for he IS the kwisatz haderach! *music crescendo*
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Nov 2, 2021 16:57
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Automatic Slim posted:PLANNED BENE GESSERIT BREEDING PROGRAM I never realized Gaius Helen Mohiam was Jessica's mother. Is this some failson's work?
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Nov 2, 2021 17:04
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skasion posted:He sees that if he doesn’t cause the jihad, he will eventually meet the Baron and acknowledge him as grandfather. This is suggested to be a motivating factor for him to go through with finding and joining the Fremen, even though he’s already seeing this is going to cause the jihad, and even though he feels like he’d be playing into the Bene Gesserit’s hands by causing it. Nope! It's right there, then, in the tent. "There's a way to evade the Harkonnens," she said. "The Harkonnens!" he sneered. “Put those twisted humans out of your mind.” He stared at his mother, studying the lines of her face in the light of the glowtab. The lines betrayed her. She said: "You shouldn't refer to people as humans without—” "Don't be so sure you know where to draw the line," he said. “We carry our past with us. And, mother mine, there's a thing you don't know and should—we are Harkonnens." Her mind did a terrifying thing: it blanked out as though it needed to shut off all sensation. But Paul's voice went on at that implacable pace, dragging her with it. "When next you find a mirror, study your face—study mine now. The traces are there if you don't blind yourself. Look at my hands, the set of my bones. And if none of this convinces you, then take my word for it. I've walked the future, I've looked at a record, I've seen a place, I have all the data. We're Harkonnens." "A . . . renegade branch of the family," she said. “That's it, isn't it? Some Harkonnen cousin who—” "You're the Baron's own daughter," he said, and watched the way she pressed her hands to her mouth. “The Baron sampled many pleasures in his youth, and once permitted himself to be seduced. But it was for the genetic purposes of the Bene Gesserit, by one of you." The way he said 'you' struck her like a slap. But it set her mind to working and she could not deny his words. So many blank ends of meaning in her past reached out now and linked. The daughter the Bene Gesserit wanted—it wasn't to end the old Atreides-Harkonnen feud, but to fix some genetic factor in their lines. What? She groped for an answer. ChairmanMauzer posted:I never realized Gaius Helen Mohiam was Jessica's mother. Is this some failson's work? It is indeed. Put those twisted words out of your mind.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:09
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Dune Encyclopedia is the original source for the Mohiam retcon iirc
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Nov 2, 2021 17:16
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Powerful star wars EU energy in that retcon. Basically three bene gesserit in the entire universe
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Nov 2, 2021 17:23
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skasion posted:Dune Encyclopedia is the original source for the Mohiam retcon iirc Still fanfiction, still not canon.  Failson said he found it in his father's notes
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Nov 2, 2021 17:37
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Do not speak life into the failson's words. They are Abomination.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:39
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Anyone else thinking about dune??
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Nov 2, 2021 18:00
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Buller posted:Anyone else thinking about dune?? 
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Nov 2, 2021 18:06
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Automatic Slim posted:PLANNED BENE GESSERIT BREEDING PROGRAM ftfy
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Nov 2, 2021 18:13
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Buller posted:Anyone else thinking about dune?? I'm thinking about going to see it again, tonight, this time in imax
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Nov 2, 2021 18:14
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Buller posted:Anyone else thinking about dune?? I;m thinking about thos dunes
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Nov 2, 2021 18:25
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this fremen eatin spice!
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Nov 2, 2021 18:33
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kalel posted:ftfy Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:06
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punishedkissinger posted:Jessica is pulled along by the plot and doesnt have toooo much agency but thats true for pretty much every other character as well? theyre all swept up by by politics that are way larger than them. Automatic Slim posted:e: SA posting messed up my well diagramed family tree Fuschia tude posted:Still fanfiction, still not canon. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 19:16
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Very little fiction is actually good at depicting characters with agency, even after you've filtered everything that falls short of Sturgeon's Law And if an Atreides can remember the life of the Baron then he is a direct ancestor. Thanks!
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Nov 2, 2021 19:34
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Ror posted:Kinda close to how I picture Fenring actually genuinely on the verge of hyperventilating for many contrary reasons ranging from "oh my god seriously aaaah" to "holy mother of pussy do I not want John Difool Funkopops"
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Nov 2, 2021 19:44
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Fuschia tude posted:Still fanfiction, still not canon. Alia couldn't have been possessed by Baron Harkonnen if he weren't a direct ancestor. Not too many other possibilities for where he fits into her line of ancestry.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:45
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Phanatic posted:Alia couldn't have been possessed by Baron Harkonnen if he weren't a direct ancestor. Not too many other possibilities for where he fits into her line of ancestry. I think the debate was over the validity of Mohaim being Jessica's mother rather than Vlad being Jessica's (confirmed) father. At least that was my earlier confusion.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:48
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Phanatic posted:Alia couldn't have been possessed by Baron Harkonnen if he weren't a direct ancestor. Not too many other possibilities for where he fits into her line of ancestry. Harum was described as having his line lost due to congenital weaknesses, which suggests his direct genes couldn't have been passed down. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 19:56
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Leto II was possessed by Harum, a dominant ego-memory that ruled over a council of personalities. A king's line fizzling out isn't incompatible with him having a lot of descendants!
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Nov 2, 2021 20:11
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Could have been related through a bastard
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The most important canonical fact in the Dune Encyclopedia is that Fremen men are trained to orgasm without releasing fluids and that you aren’t considered a “real man” until you can do this
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Nov 2, 2021 20:13
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skasion posted:The most important canonical fact in the Dune Encyclopedia is that Fremen men are trained to orgasm without releasing fluids and that you aren’t considered a “real man” until you can do this it's why they are so powerful.
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skasion posted:The most important canonical fact in the Dune Encyclopedia is that Fremen men are trained to orgasm without releasing fluids and that you aren’t considered a “real man” until you can do this
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skasion posted:The most important canonical fact in the Dune Encyclopedia is that Fremen men are trained to orgasm without releasing fluids and that you aren’t considered a “real man” until you can do this just realized that every fremen man is dry jacking in all ways
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Phlegmish posted:European aristocrats: We've done it. We've created the Kwisatz Haderach
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