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Twelve by Pies posted:Ugh, really don't want that rear end in a top hat to be governor but gently caress, getting moms angry about CRT being taught in schools was indeed a winning strategy. I refused to consider this hypothesis because it was way too loving stupid but now I have some very serious concerns
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I refused to consider this hypothesis because it was way too loving stupid but now I have some very serious concerns You can just assume that will be the messaging through the midterms now
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess a silver lining is that Democrats have a perfect case study, should they choose to consult it, in the 100% wrong way to respond to Republican dog whistles about education. So what does this do for Trump? Basically, Youngkin managed to keep the guy at arm's length. That makes DJT less of a kingmaker, doesn't it?
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camoseven posted:I hope Youngkin wins Yeah, me too. Pretty exciting portent of things to come.
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wow if you give people no reason to vote for you, they won't. who woulda thought
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Mind_Taker posted:Perhaps Democrats should consider giving people what they want instead of table scraps? my understanding is that t-mac (inexplicably) and the virginia legislature gave that a good solid go rip like, even if tmac squeaks this out it shouldn't have been a goddamn squeaker
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Mind_Taker posted:Perhaps Democrats should consider giving people what they want instead of table scraps? lol ya ok
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Mind_Taker posted:Perhaps Democrats should consider giving people what they want instead of table scraps? the only way dems have even a faint sniff of a fart of a hope of keeping either the house or the senate next year is if biden just goes ham with executive orders starting tomorrow however, joe biden is absolutely not the man to meet this moment so, rip
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Uncle Wemus posted:Clearly we need more means tested tax credits. Joy Reid is blaming the (almost certain) loss on Black voters mad that the reconciliation bill hasn't yet passed.
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Willa Rogers posted:Joy Reid is blaming the (almost certain) loss on Black voters mad that the reconciliation bill hasn't yet passed. Lousy progressives
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Eric Cantonese posted:So what does this do for Trump? Basically, Youngkin managed to keep the guy at arm's length. That makes DJT less of a kingmaker, doesn't it? It means Youngkin managed to disassociate with Trump among moderates, and cozy up to Trump with the MAGA diehards.
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IMO if the DC Dems had gotten their poo poo together McAuliffe might've been able to pull it out. He was a bad candidate but having a Democrat in the White House just makes some cross section of the population apoplectic; this is the third time it's happened in my life. Doing an rear end job legislating just accentuates that. This poo poo was always going to be an uphill battle, as are the midterms next year; this party does probably not have their poo poo together to fight such a battle. Don't know what to do about it.
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"teaching our kids to be woke" is an extremely stupid thing for dems to fall on their sword over lmao
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I refused to consider this hypothesis because it was way too loving stupid but now I have some very serious concerns The source I'm looking at has it as only like, 24% of early votes being in (and 69% election day) so maybe a miracle will happen. I don't think it's CRT, but I do think it's schools. Nothing good has happened irt schools the past couple of years and people are rightfully angry about how they were handled with the pandemic.
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Mellow Seas posted:IMO if the DC Dems had gotten their poo poo together McAuliffe might've been able to pull it out. Vote and organize
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:"teaching our kids to be woke" is an extremely stupid thing for dems to fall on their sword over lmao To be fair, there was also "girl was raped by a boy in the women's bathroom at a public high school because of executive orders allowing anyone to go into the women's room. Your daughter could be next."
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Democrats are a reactionary party that doesn't stand for anything. Their election strategy is "the other side is bad" without offering up any real change or positions. Even when they have good ideas that people like, they manage to bungle the messaging or shy away from it. Just doesn't seem like a sustainable strategy. Youngkin played the moderate in the suburbs and had surrogates stir up all the racist furor in the rural areas. Pretty sound strategy to defeat a party that offers nothing.
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Zeron posted:The source I'm looking at has it as only like, 24% of early votes being in (and 69% election day) so maybe a miracle will happen. Wasserman called it, so it would be something approaching a miracle.
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That comment about parents shouldn't have say over education loving killed him I mean he's right honestly but gently caress, white suburban parents are the most insane psycho people to have you in their cross hairs.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:my understanding is that t-mac (inexplicably) and the virginia legislature gave that a good solid go would have been cool of tmac ran on any of the good things he did instead of screaming "trump bad" and the worst "let me explain about how i don't want to teach your children evil wokeness"
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Yeah it's a tough beat for sure. Not going to try and sugar coat it, one thing that is apparent is that the tide is going against the centrist scum AND the progressives in the country and that ain't going to change without a dramatic shift in strategy.
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Red posted:It means Youngkin managed to disassociate with Trump among moderates, and cozy up to Trump with the MAGA diehards. Yeah if Youngkin had run hard on being buddies with Trump, maybe he would have lost, but most of the ads I saw from him were just him talking about how Virginia is one of the few states in the US that taxes groceries and he wants to get rid of that tax, and about how he wants parents involved in schools and education. The first one is just a general appeal to anyone who's anxious about making ends meet, and the second is a dogwhistle to the MAGA types that's just going to generally appeal to anyone who isn't really informed about what Youngkin wants (especially when McAuliffe shot himself in the foot with the "Parents shouldn't be telling schools what to teach" comment).
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Mellow Seas posted:this party does probably not have their poo poo together to fight such a battle. Don't know what to do about it. of course they don't have their poo poo together, the only time they ever do is when they are fighting against progressives
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:To be fair, there was also "girl was raped by a boy in the women's bathroom at a public high school because of executive orders allowing anyone to go into the women's room. Your daughter could be next."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:To be fair, there was also "girl was raped by a boy in the women's bathroom at a public high school because of executive orders allowing anyone to go into the women's room. Your daughter could be next." None of that was true so yeah they did a poo poo job countering that too.
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TulliusCicero posted:That comment about parents shouldn't have say over education loving killed him Kind of nuts that we get all these exit polls with detailed crosstabs but nobody bothers to poll "parents" vs. "non-parents" when it's supposed to have been such a major factor in the race. ("Education" was ranked as the second biggest issue after "Economy" in exit polls - I figure that includes CRT but also trans issues and mask mandates. [God drat is this country stupid.])
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Red posted:It means Youngkin managed to disassociate with Trump among moderates, and cozy up to Trump with the MAGA diehards. haha holy poo poo if the Republicans manage to carry the energy Trump brought to the party while distancing themselves from his aesthetic unpleasantness that drove away suburban voters last year., that's the loving game. They will dominate the midterms and probably take back the White House in 2024
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TulliusCicero posted:That comment about parents shouldn't have say over education loving killed him tbf, his recent ads explaining his statement made it even worse.
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Mellow Seas posted:Wasserman called it, so it would be something approaching a miracle. Wasserman wouldn't call it unless he had the math on his side. Edit: He took a long pause before that pause, I assume, to double check.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:ok but "I will ban critical race theory in schools" was practically youngkin's motto and it's a mighty good one! Next year is going to be unbearable for lots of reasons but every loving Republican will run on this.
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TulliusCicero posted:That comment about parents shouldn't have say over education loving killed him Its only “right” if you believe technocratic rule is superior to democratic. It was a dumb as poo poo thing to say, and parents should have a large say over what their kids get taught. Id like to have a large say if kids were being taught creationism in the classroom. Obvs thats what the republicans want, but the defense of CRT by dems is pathetic if all they can muster up is “cause we said so” Dems need to give good poo poo to people, and then scream from the mountains that repubs want to disband medicare and SS because they are communism.
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Good news! Transphobe Shontel Brown won her House seat!
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RBA Starblade posted:You can just assume that will be the messaging through the midterms now Yep. Hope you like hearing about critical race theory, scary books in school libraries, and mean teachers ignoring parents' intuition because that horse is going to get beaten into fertilizer.
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Mellow Seas posted:Kind of nuts that we get all these exit polls with detailed crosstabs but nobody bothers to poll "parents" vs. "non-parents" when it's supposed to have been such a major factor in the race. The CNN exit poll showed parents voting 51-49 Youngkin.
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Willa Rogers posted:Good news! Transphobe Shontel Brown won her House seat! I know you're excited to watch my state go to hell but could you be a bit less obvious about it?
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