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Eggplant Squire posted:An issue is that there is no penalty for failure. The Clintonian wing threw the 2016 election with a disasterous campaign and here we are in 2021 where one of their guya basically recreates that exact strategy on a smaller scale and whoops loses again. this is certainly true - it's not like hillary clinton or terry mcauliffe are going to suffer real personal consequences from their losses. but i don't think it's accurate to say that they throw these elections. there is no doubt in my mind that hillary clinton really, desperately wanted to be president in 2016 and tried her absolute hardest to win because she wanted to be president clinton, it's just that she and her entire wing of the party are so out of touch and incompetent that their best turned out to be an abysmal effort that actively alienated everyone who wasnt them, and theyre also so stupid that five years later they're still trying the same losing strategy because it's what resonates with them and their insider friends and they never bother to listen to anybody else to learn that what they think are winning messages actively alienate everyone else
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vyelkin posted:this is certainly true - it's not like hillary clinton or terry mcauliffe are going to suffer real personal consequences from their losses. but i don't think it's accurate to say that they throw these elections. there is no doubt in my mind that hillary clinton really, desperately wanted to be president in 2016 and tried her absolute hardest to win because she wanted to be president clinton, it's just that she and her entire wing of the party are so out of touch and incompetent that their best turned out to be an abysmal effort that actively alienated everyone who wasnt them, and theyre also so stupid that five years later they're still trying the same losing strategy because it's what resonates with them and their insider friends and they never bother to listen to anybody else to learn that what they think are winning messages actively alienate everyone else Yeah sorry I didn't mean they intentionally threw, both Clinton and McAuliffe definitely wanted to win.
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vyelkin posted:ive become convinced that the dems dont want to lose, theyre just so out of touch that they legitimately dont realize that what matters to democratic insiders doesnt matter to the overwhelming majority of voters and what matters to the overwhelming majority of voters doesnt matter to democratic insiders, so they live in a great big filter bubble where they only ever talk to other lanyards who convince them that things are going great because all the lanyards they talked to recently agreed with them on the lanyard things party gins up insane conspiracy theory about socialism/immigrants/culture war to inflame the base and make sure they turn out -> new generation of activists join the party to fight the menace of (whatever) -> invigorated grass roots notice that hey, a lot of these guys don't really seem to be doing anything to fight the conspiracy, they only mention it at election time oh my god they're part of it -> 'moderate' wing gets destroyed in primary bloodbath -> return to step one, only now with a more insane baseline keeps them humble and close to their roots, and i'm sure it's going to end well for all of us
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Troy Queef posted:https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1455773518432542723?s=21 Durr
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Question about the aftermath of the upcoming bloodbath: what's in it for the losers who are junior status from unimportant areas*? Like, the senior officials who get voted out will still have a comfy place in the greater apparatus or private industry, those with sufficient idpol can run the television circuit scolding leftists and anyone who made a sufficient splash in the media, however unearned, can run/grift again at their leisure. But what about the truly empty suits, the sacrificial lambs allowed to run for poo poo seats and otherwise ignored? Obviously no one allowed to sniff higher office has any intention of actually governing, so why did they bother? Do they just get absorbed back into the machine and live out their lives as obscure advisors? Do they actually think Pelosi et al will one day cede the throne to the hardworking grunts? e: *unimportant to the beltway dems, not unimportant in the "rural folk are a drain on us" lib sense Big Mad Drongo has issued a correction as of 14:57 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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I am convinced at this point that while maybe that's true for ground level dem campaign staff, donors and strategists wiuld absolutely rather tank an election than permit real change away from establishment policies
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Flesh Forge posted:I am convinced at this point that while maybe that's true for ground level dem campaign staff, donors and strategists wiuld absolutely rather tank an election than permit real change away from establishment policies yeah this is also absolutely true people like clinton or mcauliffe want to win but they don't want to win in order to actually do anything with their power, if anything they want to win so that they can stop anything from changing because the status quo works for them, and if threatened by a campaign that threatens to actually change anything and maybe threaten their hold over the party, then a lot of influential figures would rather lose - but there it's crucial to recognize that they're never the ones running those campaigns so they aren't tanking themselves, they're tanking campaigns that are theoretically run by other democrats who might threaten their authority basically i think the dull uninspired politics of "the status quo is fine, america is already great, lets keep everything the same as it is now" goes hand in hand with the incompetent campaigning because the people for whom america is working great are out of touch with the majority of the population and so they run campaigns that only appeal to fellow insiders for whom america is working great. And if that wing of the party is ever threatened by an insurgency then they'll tank the insurgency at all costs so that the "everything is fine" Clintonite coalition stays in charge for next time even if it means spending a cycle or fifty out of power
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Big Mad Drongo posted:Question about the aftermath of the upcoming bloodbath: what's in it for the losers who are junior status from unimportant areas*? Like, the senior officials who get voted out will still have a comfy place in the greater apparatus or private industry, those with sufficient idpol can run the television circuit scolding leftists and anyone who made a sufficient splash in the media, however unearned, can run/grift again at their leisure. I would file this under whomst among us giveth one single shyte about these class quisling call ups
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vyelkin posted:ive become convinced that the dems dont want to lose, theyre just so out of touch that they legitimately dont realize that what matters to democratic insiders doesnt matter to the overwhelming majority of voters and what matters to the overwhelming majority of voters doesnt matter to democratic insiders, so they live in a great big filter bubble where they only ever talk to other lanyards who convince them that things are going great because all the lanyards they talked to recently agreed with them on the lanyard things You should read this book OP https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/
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if Bernie had won the democratic primary the DNC would’ve absolutely done everything in their power to secure trump a second term and either ways they will secure for him a second term in 2024 at this rate lol
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vyelkin posted:this is certainly true - it's not like hillary clinton or terry mcauliffe are going to suffer real personal consequences from their losses. but i don't think it's accurate to say that they throw these elections. there is no doubt in my mind that hillary clinton really, desperately wanted to be president in 2016 and tried her absolute hardest to win because she wanted to be president clinton, it's just that she and her entire wing of the party are so out of touch and incompetent that their best turned out to be an abysmal effort that actively alienated everyone who wasnt them, and theyre also so stupid that five years later they're still trying the same losing strategy because it's what resonates with them and their insider friends and they never bother to listen to anybody else to learn that what they think are winning messages actively alienate everyone else 
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what is your favorite right wing nickname for the democrats? demonrats is a classic but i also really love dhimmicrats.
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CaptainACAB posted:what is your favorite right wing nickname for the democrats? Dumbocraps
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it's not going to be trump in 2024, it's going to be trump in 2022. the republicans will get the house and 60 seats in the senate, then appoint trump as speaker and remove biden and kamala
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:my god it'd be so loving funny if they impeach joe biden lmao "if" more like "how many times will they impeach joe biden" i'm guessing at least 3 so they can say he was impeached more than trump was
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I never understood why the libs thought that getting Trump impeached twice was this huge win. Like, why does it matter if they didn't lead to a conviction or at least a resignation?
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smug jeebus posted:I never understood why the libs thought that getting Trump impeached twice was this huge win. Like, why does it matter if they didn't lead to a conviction or at least a resignation? 
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Fister Roboto posted:drat bitch, you live like this?
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WampaLord posted:lmao "if" I always forget that a successful impeachment doesn't necessitate removal from office. but yeah they're 100% going to impeach him and it'd be the funniest thing to happen in my lifetime if they also remove him from office, which is an admittedly longer shot but still
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Centrist Committee posted:we need a cspam office pool for what high crimes and missy misdemeanors sleepy joe gets impeached for i would like to put every dollar i have ever made and will ever make on "2020 election fraud"
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WampaLord posted:lmao "if" it's nice to be able to look forward to something
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lmao tim kaine learned nothing in 2016 https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1455954223162707971 if voters wanted to learn about the issues they could go to mcauliffe's website!!!
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vyelkin posted:lmao tim kaine learned nothing in 2016 It does prove that talking point that came out in her defense was basically shat down the line as a campaign talking point. Any cspammer or dnder who used it is a bot imo.
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lmao https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1455940313340682240?s=21 Do you think that they’ll just add a bunch of new amendments at the constitutional convention of 2025, or start or with a totally new constitution?
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Zokari posted:i would like to put every dollar i have ever made and will ever make on "2020 election fraud" I was thinking Afghanistan but your idea is dumber so I’ll switch my bet to that
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vyelkin posted:lmao tim kaine learned nothing in 2016
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:my god it'd be so loving funny if they impeach joe biden if? it'll be the first thing congress does in '23
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vyelkin posted:lmao tim kaine learned nothing in 2016 Is it just me or did he age like 20 years in the past five
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Is it just me or did he age like 20 years in the past five Hillary cut off his Adrenochrome
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Is it just me or did he age like 20 years in the past five Hell who hasn't
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smug jeebus posted:I never understood why the libs thought that getting Trump impeached twice was this huge win. Like, why does it matter if they didn't lead to a conviction or at least a resignation? They think they are in motherfuckin model UN and not for control of the biggest empire in the world. or maybe they are just actors. maybe, but then, they pretty ugly.
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