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How are u posted:Yeah it doesn't quite gel with me. If the dragon is reborn a woman she won't go crazy and a lot of the terror is taken right out. I mean if Egwene were the dragon that'd be great everything would go much more smoothly
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Nov 3, 2021 18:26
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SerSpook posted:dragon nynaeve or bust the world is a stick broken over your shoulders
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Nov 3, 2021 18:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I mean if Egwene were the dragon that'd be great everything would go much more smoothly Sure, but it wouldn't be the same story. Rands descent into insanity is pretty core to the story, as is the world's reaction to it, and to him. I don't mind the artificial ambiguity in service of TV storytelling and inclusiveness. It would be a huge departure if they went further than that, but it doesn't look like they will.
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Nov 3, 2021 18:29
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Rarity posted:Yeah the possibility of a sane female Dragon makes everyone's fear at the idea of the Dragon Reborn not really play the same way Then the fear is that the dragon will break saidar like they broke saidin, and every aes sedai will go mad. Compelling. LTT wasn’t mad because of the taint. He was making insane wizard decisions from moment “drill the bore”. Anias fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 18:32
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Anias posted:Then the fear is that the dragon will break saidar like they broke saidin, and every aes sedai will go mad. Compelling. Okay, you've convinced me. That is super compelling. 
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Nov 3, 2021 18:33
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The Dragon returning also means the Last Battle is coming so sane or not that still means a big war against the Shadow and lots of death all around. Not good times imho
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Nov 3, 2021 18:34
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a lot of the problems surrounding rand are mostly due to him being the dragon reborn by itself anyways, and are independent of him being bugfuck crazy after a point
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Nov 3, 2021 18:37
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also i feel like even a woman dragon reborn would be side-eyed due to being the reincarnation of an insane person
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Nov 3, 2021 18:40
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Anias posted:LTT wasn’t mad because of the taint. He was making insane wizard decisions from moment “drill the bore”. lews therin didn't drill the bore
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Nov 3, 2021 18:48
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How are u posted:If the dragon is reborn a woman she won't go crazy and a lot of the terror is taken right out. Oh, really? Hieronymous Alloy posted:I mean if Egwene were the dragon G A W Y N is just another way to spell insanity imo.
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Nov 3, 2021 18:53
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Anias posted:Then the fear is that the dragon will break saidar like they broke saidin, and every aes sedai will go mad. Compelling. LTT didn't drill the bore, Lanfear did  . And after that it was still a few decades before things really kicked off or anyone knew what had happened.LTT was a bit of an egotist who managed to drive half the Forsaken to the Dark One because they were insanely jealous of him but the only really bad decision he made was going to seal the bore with the hundred companions without any backup. Like in basically everything else in his life he was this larger than life figure who was incredibly talented, charming and consistently good at leading to the point he won the War of Power. Then he got the taint and killed his whole family.
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Nov 3, 2021 18:57
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I mean part of the reason LTT failed and saidin was tainted in the first place is because the female ais sedai balked at the strike on shayl ghul. He asked them to join, they said no.
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Nov 3, 2021 19:02
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Latra Posae Decumae did nothing wrong, change my mind (If they had helped all of Saidar as well would have been tainted)
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Nov 3, 2021 19:04
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I had the impression that most people in the world of Wheel of Time didn't know much about the dragon and thought of him as an antichrist figure who might even be in league with the dark one, it wasn't a thing where they thought he'd be a swell guy outside of the male channeling bit Even as far as channeling goes I think they know that men channeling is worse than women channeling, but idk how many of them are big fans of women channeling either Like if Egwene had raised the dragon banner they wouldn't have been like "phew, it's a Tar Valon witch bringing on the apocalypse, I feel a lot better now" We'll see, it's probably my least favorite change so far in the abstract, but it'll all depend on how they pull it off in the context of the show
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Nov 3, 2021 19:05
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SerSpook posted:lews therin didn't drill the bore he was drilling her every night, that’s why Lanfear got so jealous 
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Nov 3, 2021 19:06
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Latra Posae Decumae did nothing wrong, change my mind I don't think we ever get confirmation of that, do we? Seems like it's just as likely that men and women working together could have succeeded.
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Nov 3, 2021 19:09
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Zore posted:LTT didn't drill the bore, Lanfear did iirc he had an army with him, in addition to the companions and he was losing the war, that's why he attacked mordor making it possible that the dragon could be a woman is smart from the marketing pov, even if it doesn't make sense in the world that bob made up
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Latra Posae Decumae did nothing wrong, change my mind this is the truth, using both saidar and saidin would have still been an imperfect seal and only allowed the dark one to taint both saidar and saidin. you need the true power involved as well, which rand had via his link to moridin it was a literal unwinnable situation, the only alternate plan would have also lead to tainted saidar+saidin, plus a lot of devastation from trying to literally fight the dark one via application of absurd amounts of power in the end, neither lews therin, nor latra posae did anything wrong imo
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buffalo all day posted:he was drilling her every night, that’s why Lanfear got so jealous
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buffalo all day posted:he was drilling her every night, that’s why Lanfear got so jealous lol
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How are u posted:I don't think we ever get confirmation of that, do we? Seems like it's just as likely that men and women working together could have succeeded. yeah, i think that that's one of the main themes of the series
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Latra Posae Decumae did nothing wrong, change my mind At the same time its hard to argue LTT was wrong. They were losing in the WoP and he had intelligence on a limited opportunity where you'd not only be able to seal TDO but 13 of his greatest lieutenants because traditional tactics were failing. The Choedan Kal weren't ready and wouldn't be in time. And he absolutely managed to end the war. Shame about everything that happened after but I'm not sure 'wait for an amazing super weapon to finish and do basically the same plan except we don't get the Forsaken' would have worked much better.
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How are u posted:I don't think we ever get confirmation of that, do we? Seems like it's just as likely that men and women working together could have succeeded. Unless one of the female Aes Sedai would have had the idea to use the True Power as well as Saidar/Saidin then it would have failed the same way. The problem with how LTT sealed the bore was that Saidin was "touching" the DO, adding women to the mix wouldn't have fixed that
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Nov 3, 2021 19:13
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SerSpook posted:
I think I took away a familiar lesson for those in long term relationships, which is that it doesn’t really matter if you believe you’re 100% right and your partner is wrong, if your partner isn’t on board you shouldn’t go unilaterally do it. LTT should have done whatever plan he could get the female AS to buy in on because it was more important for both sides to work cooperatively. That’s the lesson Rand seems to have learned by the end, too.
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Zore posted:At the same time its hard to argue LTT was wrong. They were losing in the WoP and he had intelligence on a limited opportunity where you'd not only be able to seal TDO but 13 of his greatest lieutenants because traditional tactics were failing. The Choedan Kal weren't ready and wouldn't be in time. it was basically the kobayashi maru, only you can't just hack the dark one so you win
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How are u posted:I mean part of the reason LTT failed and saidin was tainted in the first place is because the female ais sedai balked at the strike on shayl ghul. There was no other way it could have happened! The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
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You don’t hack the dark one. You have a pleasant fireside conversation with it. Who could have ever thought to do that?
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Invalid Validation posted:You don’t hack the dark one. You have a pleasant fireside conversation with it. Who could have ever thought to do that? exactly, poor communication just gets people killed and leads to bad times. something the series goes to great lengths to show
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I believe you Hack The Planet.
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I have to say the Aes Sedai rings look super tacky
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Nihilarian posted:I have to say the Aes Sedai rings look super tacky yeah, but a tiny snake is hard to show on screen, so big tacky rings are needed for tv
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I thought it was implied that the Dark One was able to taint Saidin because the women didn't help? Not that they could have sealed him forever with the women helping? Like the men were vulnerable to the counterstroke of the dark one because only Saidin was used. Edit: If Saidar had also been used it would have repelled the taint
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th3t00t posted:I thought it was implied that the Dark One was able to taint Saidin because the women didn't help? Not that they could have sealed him forever with the women helping? no, its the true power that serves as an insulator, preventing the counterstroke. saidar+saidin allows for the perfect seal. you need all three for a flawless victory.
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Saidin was gooched because it was the half of the power used, that's it. If women were there than saidar would also have been tweenised.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Saidin was gooched because it was the half of the power used, that's it. If women were there than saidar would also have been tweenised. yeah it seems like a pretty fair assumption, it's the true power that protects them and LTT and co wouldn't have known to use it even if they had made an accord with the female aes sedai
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i don't think it's ever explicitly said what the outcome would or wouldn't have been if the women had helped as well and the dubious nature of the whole situation and the fact that it was a prime example of no one working together like they should have been carries more weight than any other interpretation
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They cleansed the taint without the TP though. (lol) I thought the TP combined with both halves of the OP made the perfect seal, and had nothing to do with protection from the taint. Being in a circle of men + women may have prevented the tainting of Saidin, like how it provides a buffer against the taint when using callandor. The DO may not have had the strength to break though that buffer and taint both sides.
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Cleanse your taint periodically.
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i just pulled out my copy of a memory of light. chapter 47, at the end, the glove of the true power prevents the dark one from tainting saidin again. that's definitely part of the role it plays
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