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You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

Gonna apply for a team lead position today. I don’t know why it popped up so suddenly in our inside hiring positions, but there’s that and another assistant opening. There’s only four of us, and as far as I know none of us are getting canned because things have been on the up and up, but poo poo’s about to get real.

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WonkyBob
Jan 1, 2013

Holy shit, you own a skirt?!

Spatule posted:

Company laptop that is also "for personal use" can't acces any major webmail service, video streaming service, remote desktop, Stadia or GFN, nothing.

On the flip side, you can install *any* browser extension, even shady ones. And my favourite russian hardcore porn torrent sites work fine. So it is staying off after working hours, but I need to get myself a Chromebook or whatever for actual personal use. Like checking my mail during lunch break.

I loving hate IT. Like hate hate. If I had to choose between taxing billionaires + getting rid of cancer or cleansing the world of spergin power tripping nerds, I'd choose the latter.

Which sector do you work in? Some (legal, finance) have really strict requirements for how company devices are set up and maintained due the data that's being used, often a client will provide a list of pre-requisite device / network security conditions and if these aren't met they wont work with you, and If your company want to be ISO certified they have to jump through a million flaming hoops to be in compliance. I'm not a huge fan of IT security overkill but if a multi billion dollar company refuses to do business with you due to you not being in compliance with their security standards there's not really many options.

Even if they've said its for "personal use" they'll probably still be able to monitor everything you do on there even if you're not in an office so it might be a good idea to remove that extension.

Citycop posted:

The IT department freaked out and locked all my accounts because I logged into office 365 from home and I'm on a VPN. They could not understand why my account was being used from Canada. This is a large organization. They asked me WHY I need a VPN. I told them I live in the boonies and I'm on a WAN. They said VPN's are suspicious to which I countered with pointing out how they use them for work at home peeps? No answer to that one.

I get a few 'Impossible Travel Activity' alerts most weeks and tend to just call them directly to confirm if they're using a new VPN (which they usually are).

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

deep dish peat moss posted:

I usually leave a job when they start rolling out a bunch of new poo poo too but I wait until it's actually rolling out and I see what a shitshow it is. I hate agile from a software development perspective, not necessarily the concept of using it as an org structure, agile just leads to poo poo software, it's designed to, because the entire thing was literally written by programmers who wanted to make their jobs "fun" so they decided things like "Don't write documentation because documentation is a major bummer!" are good rules for all programmers to follow. But in my experience when companies roll out new poo poo like (lean) six sigma it means that they're failing and they hired some kid fresh out of an mba who just kind of sputtered it out of their mouth during an interview because it was a name that they remembered from their mba program and the hiring manager goes "I have heard those words before, you're perfect! Roll it out now!" and then starts sending out emails to other managers about how "I got us a lean six sig expert and they're going to shake this whole place up!" so the MBA comes in with some xeroxed printed-out PDFs of pirated copies of lean six sigma training and goes to town

e: My view may be largely biased by only having ever worked for tech startups

What on earth are you talking about? That's not what agile means...

In particular this:

quote:

I hate agile from a software development perspective, not necessarily the concept of using it as an org structure, agile just leads to poo poo software, it's designed to, because the entire thing was literally written by programmers who wanted to make their jobs "fun" so they decided things like "Don't write documentation because documentation is a major bummer!" are good rules for all programmers to follow.

I mean I'm sorry your career has only led you through exceptionally poo poo companies but this is not the average experience.

putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Nov 3, 2021

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Honestly, I manage creatives who aren't tech savvy and who are fairly stubborn, and IT emailing them a list of complicated instructions each time there's an infrastructure transition (which we've been having a lot of lately due to several mergers), it is a hilarious clusterfuck each time.

No matter how much I explain you can email these folks instructions and it won't do poo poo, they are busy and will ignore it and we should plan support for that happening, IT will still be like, nah this is it, the one way we do it, each Man is and Island, and we're still going to be shocked about it when this method of sending email blasts out doesn't work seamlessly and blame the users when the inevitable happens.

In the end, part of my job is to make enough noise to force IT to just remote into these folks desktops and make their computer go for them, rather than trying to teach them how to do it themselves, bc don't try and fix them into the end user you wish they'd be, I just need them working. loving A.

Lol good call. It took me a while to figure out IT's existing communications procedures were inadequate/non-existent with a strong focus on "I'm not gonna become everyone's personal IT helper" (then send out updates from a shared inbox and write coherent instructions and follow up questions drop dramatically) and that if nothing was communicated it was slightly less work for them and their management didn't care, which long term led to most employees not using helpful tools we paid a lot for and the system getting a reputation as opaque. Also not great tendency to regard end users as stupid, rather than realize they want to learn but have awful support.

I've tried to send out decent communications for major updates (turns out we have many channels to do that) and wow adoption of new processes skyrocketed and we get fewer tickets, and it is rewarding to have friendly end users happy their jobs are now easier.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Honestly, I manage creatives who aren't tech savvy and who are fairly stubborn, and IT emailing them a list of complicated instructions each time there's an infrastructure transition (which we've been having a lot of lately due to several mergers), it is a hilarious clusterfuck each time.

No matter how much I explain you can email these folks instructions and it won't do poo poo, they are busy and will ignore it and we should plan support for that happening, IT will still be like, nah this is it, the one way we do it, each Man is and Island, and we're still going to be shocked about it when this method of sending email blasts out doesn't work seamlessly and blame the users when the inevitable happens.

In the end, part of my job is to make enough noise to force IT to just remote into these folks desktops and make their computer go for them, rather than trying to teach them how to do it themselves, bc don't try and fix them into the end user you wish they'd be, I just need them working. loving A.

"Look, I'm just gonna say the people I manage simply aren't going to do part of their job, because they don't like it. I'm going to be super obnoxious until you do their job for me. I am a good manager. "

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Making another team do your teams work is pretty great management.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Outrail posted:

Making another team do your teams work is pretty great management.

Yeah this is basically the benchmark of a great manager versus a good one.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
It's called Functional Excellence or in other words: no you shut the gently caress up dad IT.

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

You Are A Elf posted:

Gonna apply for a team lead position today. I don’t know why it popped up so suddenly in our inside hiring positions, but there’s that and another assistant opening. There’s only four of us, and as far as I know none of us are getting canned because things have been on the up and up, but poo poo’s about to get real.

Update: need to update my resume and post it through Paycom instead of HR taking care of it (I was in HR when I was told this) :/ The good thing is I'm the first person that applied, so there's hope!

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Agents are GO! posted:

"Look, I'm just gonna say the people I manage simply aren't going to do part of their job, because they don't like it. I'm going to be super obnoxious until you do their job for me. I am a good manager. "

I mean you flip this on it's head and most of the time it's not the people who are getting these extra tasks dumped on them's job. You got a lot of jobs where people have to track their hours to billable tasks or project and trying to set up guides or directives to get them to do their own IT or admin work is something they don't even have a billable code for.

Our HR/payroll department offloads so much administrative overhead onto our technicians I'm legit not sure what exactly they're paid to do and whenever IT rolls out a new app or switches what software we're using for our jobs and nothing works out of the box so you have to spend half a day fixing it that's something you're just straight up not paid for.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

In my company there are live humans who review any email you flag as suspicious. I keep flagging their own emails because they look suspicious and somehow they cannot piece together the message I am sending.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

bee posted:

About two months ago, I got fired thanks to a colleague withholding information from me that I needed to do my job.

Today I received an email from her asking me if I remember the password to my work laptop, as she can't get into the computer. I assume they need to set it up for my replacement.

I honestly have nfi what password I was using since I used one of those generator things to create it, and I trashed all my notes related to that role after I got sacked.

So sad, too bad

Let me guess: either it's (1) a laptop with a local account vs having an AD login they can change the password for, or (2) they're too stupid to figure out how to change your AD password to log in

Either way, sounds like you're better off :lol:

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Barudak posted:

In my company there are live humans who review any email you flag as suspicious. I keep flagging their own emails because they look suspicious and somehow they cannot piece together the message I am sending.

It's because the people in a call center in the Philippines aren't paid enough to give feedback higher up, and even if they did it would get ignored.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I've been showing up late and knocking off early, with my boss's knowledge. I know that I'm goig to suddenly be very busy in a few weeks and it's sort of frustrating because I'm trying to get a smooth production schedule set up but it's hard to do because I report to the restaurant manager and he's busy as hell. I've never really worked in a very corporate run company so it's taking some getting used to. I'm not complaining exactly, but it's a lot different from the other breweries I've worked at, which were much smaller operations very directly controled by an owner. The problem with that can be if the owner is a psycho like with the last two places.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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The trick is to keep showing up late and leaving early when things get busy and offload any excess work upwards and/or laterally because you're already at your capacity. Look, you workload hasn't changed in weeks they'll need to hire additional staff.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

The trick is to do the absolute bare minimum work required to not get fired. If I work super hard and bust my rear end to splinters, I'm liable to be expected to keep up that performance week over week. Meaning working hard is a vicious and stress inducing cycle. Being exactly mediocre means you never have to deal with it.

When people mention that one of the reasons communism failed is that there was no incentive to work hard, one of the ironies is that this exact problem exists in most corporate architecture.

This does not apply to any production based jobs.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




I mean why would you work hard? There’s absolutely no meritocracy anymore. This is why most people change careers every few years. Capitalism is very stupid.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I mean, there's only so much I can do. There's a hard cap on how much beer I can produce because I have a finite number of tanks. I don't even have a bottler yet. There's also nobody else in the company with any kind of brewing knowledge. Even if they pushed me to do huge amounts of bottling (which they indicated they won't) that's still something I could get done within a day. With high turnover I would be brewing two days a week for three weeks in a row, then have one week where I don't have much to do because I'd be waiting for those two batches from the first week to finish, maybe packaging one of them if it was one I could actually finish in 3 weeks, but even then that's not a whole lot of work. There's always going to be lulls at this size, but I'd rather be able to sorta schedul things out because it allows for things like being able to prep for brew days, packaginging days, etc. which makes those jobs a lot easier day of, especially if I run into issues like a stuck mash, it also allows for effective yeast management, while also letting me set aside time for cleaning and sanitation. I mean it's not that bad, but it's sort of a weird situation for me.

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?

BOOTY-ADE posted:

Let me guess: either it's (1) a laptop with a local account vs having an AD login they can change the password for, or (2) they're too stupid to figure out how to change your AD password to log in

Either way, sounds like you're better off :lol:

It's the first one. The person asking me for the password makes websites as a side hustle so she's not completely clueless, but if she thinks that I'm going to save her any time or effort after the poo poo she dumped me in, she's got rocks in her head.

And yeah, way better off! About a week after I got sacked, a former employer called me and offered me a role that was a 20K salary bump on what I was making at the last company, with 5% better superannuation, way less stress and actual career progression prospects. If I hadn't of been fired, I would have quit ;)

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost

Escape From Noise posted:

I mean, there's only so much I can do. There's a hard cap on how much beer I can produce because I have a finite number of tanks. I don't even have a bottler yet. There's also nobody else in the company with any kind of brewing knowledge. Even if they pushed me to do huge amounts of bottling (which they indicated they won't) that's still something I could get done within a day. With high turnover I would be brewing two days a week for three weeks in a row, then have one week where I don't have much to do because I'd be waiting for those two batches from the first week to finish, maybe packaging one of them if it was one I could actually finish in 3 weeks, but even then that's not a whole lot of work. There's always going to be lulls at this size, but I'd rather be able to sorta schedul things out because it allows for things like being able to prep for brew days, packaginging days, etc. which makes those jobs a lot easier day of, especially if I run into issues like a stuck mash, it also allows for effective yeast management, while also letting me set aside time for cleaning and sanitation. I mean it's not that bad, but it's sort of a weird situation for me.

You've been hired for your expertise, not your time? Congratulations. Not many people achieve that but some do.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Jokes on them! I'm not even that good!

It's definitely a good situation, especially compared to my last couple of jobs, just something to get used to.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


A Festivus Miracle posted:

The trick is to do the absolute bare minimum work required to not get fired.

Being exactly mediocre

I think the ultimate goal has to be to work as little as possible but appear to be working hard. That way you get all the benefits like bonuses, pay rises, promotion etc. but none of the headache.

The challenge with that is keeping all the shortcuts and automation to yourself, and not bragging to any coworkers who you are friends with…

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Scientastic posted:

I think the ultimate goal has to be to work as little as possible but appear to be working hard. That way you get all the benefits like bonuses, pay rises, promotion etc. but none of the headache.

The challenge with that is keeping all the shortcuts and automation to yourself, and not bragging to any coworkers who you are friends with…

I once cleaned and tidied up my desk really well. As I was gazing upon my accomplishment with pride, someone walked up to me and said "you look like you don't have much to do. Can you take a look at this for me?"

I learned a very valuable lesson that day.

Critical
Aug 23, 2007

got pulled into The Bad Conference Room by hr this morning and immediately started giving birth to a bovine

"it is unfortunately my duty to let you know" oh my god they're firing me i've only been permanent two weeks "that you've had an exposure to covid" oh thank g- WAIT THAT THE gently caress

"You can go get tested on company time and we will reimburse any testing fees" yeah no loving poo poo lady

my supervisor who was in on monday with me is out of office today when we should be closing the month. funny that.

feel fine other than a slight tension headache. can't get tested until tomorrow due to being asymptomatic. going to keep an eye on email and teams and play games at home all day. because gently caress em.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



I schedule email replies to send at random times late night and weekends to give off the impression I’m working that hard

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
i send all my emails for the day immediately at the crack of dawn, wake up to hell people

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
I answer emails during a one hour period on Saturday mornings.

irpoweroutlet
Aug 23, 2005
It's 'Lectric!
I just remembered something from a construction job I worked years ago. This was a pretty small contracting company that dealt mostly in “unskilled” labor type jobs. They took a contract for installing a couple thousand feet of drain tile (buried perforated pipe surrounded by gravel). This wasn’t something the company had done before and the workers ended up carrying all of the gravel in 5 gallon buckets. 2000 feet worth.

Christmas party that year came around and the owner told everyone to go outside and check out the new toy. It was a brand new skid loader. Everybody that worked on the drain tile project was relieved about never having to carry buckets of gravel again. Then the boss said he couldn’t wait to use the new skid steer, he bought it solely to plow the snow from his massive driveway. Not sure how he made it out of there alive.

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

20 Blunts posted:

i send all my emails for the day immediately at the crack of dawn, wake up to hell people

i start work pretty early in the morning (630~7am), and honestly prefer doing all my email replies then, because i don't overthink them, i just blast em out rapid fire. after around 10am i start overthinking everything and it takes forever to send a fuckin email because my brain sux.

in different news, someone mistakenly sent an email out to a shitload of pdls today (~500+ people) with no bcc. no one reply all'd. a corporate miracle.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

irpoweroutlet posted:

I just remembered something from a construction job I worked years ago. This was a pretty small contracting company that dealt mostly in “unskilled” labor type jobs. They took a contract for installing a couple thousand feet of drain tile (buried perforated pipe surrounded by gravel). This wasn’t something the company had done before and the workers ended up carrying all of the gravel in 5 gallon buckets. 2000 feet worth.

Christmas party that year came around and the owner told everyone to go outside and check out the new toy. It was a brand new skid loader. Everybody that worked on the drain tile project was relieved about never having to carry buckets of gravel again. Then the boss said he couldn’t wait to use the new skid steer, he bought it solely to plow the snow from his massive driveway. Not sure how he made it out of there alive.

Lol nice. Just had drain tile put in my yard and would not describe the project as massive but I think they needed two truckloads. They had several wheelbarrows and could park close to the project.

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008
Large national engineering company that I used to work at:

I was a field engineer, working in customers home fixing gas-fired boilers, central heating and other gas stuff....

They changed the accident reporting rules so that, if you had an electrical contact (like got a nip of a live circuit). Now, instead of just reporting it, you report it have have to sit tight until your line manager arrives to drive you to the hospital to get an ECG (and then presumably back to the house to pick up your van 4-5 hours later), and almost certain disciplinary action for unsafe working.

Oddly, reported electrical contacts dropped to near-zero after that change.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Gnossiennes posted:

i start work pretty early in the morning (630~7am), and honestly prefer doing all my email replies then, because i don't overthink them, i just blast em out rapid fire. after around 10am i start overthinking everything and it takes forever to send a fuckin email because my brain sux.

in different news, someone mistakenly sent an email out to a shitload of pdls today (~500+ people) with no bcc. no one reply all'd. a corporate miracle.

Someone probably set up the server to correctly block it from happening.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Ooh, invitation to MegaCorp's annual holiday party is only $150 a ticket. Cash bar.

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
Love to get frantic emails from my ex boss about the laptop I returned to the company over a month ago, and how my ex colleague has been trying to contact me urgently! Except that I replied to the one email she sent me yesterday and I haven't heard anything from her since. Oh and also apparently I forgot to return a usb-c cable! This is the same boss who paid me for two full pay cycles after my end date and didn't seem to have noticed until I pointed it out to her. :thumbsup:

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

bee posted:

Love to get frantic emails from my ex boss about the laptop I returned to the company over a month ago, and how my ex colleague has been trying to contact me urgently! Except that I replied to the one email she sent me yesterday and I haven't heard anything from her since. Oh and also apparently I forgot to return a usb-c cable! This is the same boss who paid me for two full pay cycles after my end date and didn't seem to have noticed until I pointed it out to her. :thumbsup:

"Dear [former boss]

You fired me.

I don't owe you poo poo.

Suck my dick and balls, from the back.

Warmest Regards,
bee"

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Renfield posted:

Large national engineering company that I used to work at:

I was a field engineer, working in customers home fixing gas-fired boilers, central heating and other gas stuff....

They changed the accident reporting rules so that, if you had an electrical contact (like got a nip of a live circuit). Now, instead of just reporting it, you report it have have to sit tight until your line manager arrives to drive you to the hospital to get an ECG (and then presumably back to the house to pick up your van 4-5 hours later), and almost certain disciplinary action for unsafe working.

Oddly, reported electrical contacts dropped to near-zero after that change.

The system works!

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

MA-Horus posted:

"Dear [former boss]

You fired me.

I don't owe you poo poo.

Suck my dick and balls, from the back.

Warmest Regards,
bee"

"Dear [former boss]

You fired me.

So I no longer work for you. But I will be happy to assist. But please be aware it would be as a consultant. I work for $300 an hour with a ten hour minimum. Due to past history, I will require a 50% deposit before I can assist. And at this time I only offer Net1 terms. All separate projects will require separate billing. At this time, the finding USB-C cable project looks like it will be 20 hours. The assisting coworker project will be at least 30 hours. Shall I send over the contracts so you can get the deposits through finance asap?

Suck my dick and balls, from the back.

Warmest Regards,
bee"

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Ooh, invitation to MegaCorp's annual holiday party is only $150 a ticket. Cash bar.
WFH for ten years means I've been living under a huge rock, but *paying* to go to a company Christmas party, let alone at $150 per ticket?

What a time to be alive.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Ooh, invitation to MegaCorp's annual holiday party is only $150 a ticket. Cash bar.

When I worked at best buy they graciously offered to supply food for the employees on black friday. You had to pay for it though. You were not allowed to leave during that shift either. It was hot dogs in a crockpot, and someone messed up and they supplied meatloaf sauce instead of ketchup.

The management proudly told us after it was profitable for the store.

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blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


honda whisperer posted:

When I worked at best buy they graciously offered to supply food for the employees on black friday. You had to pay for it though. You were not allowed to leave during that shift either. It was hot dogs in a crockpot, and someone messed up and they supplied meatloaf sauce instead of ketchup.

The management proudly told us after it was profitable for the store.

I know this isn't a cooking thread but thanks to this post I just learned that meatloaf sauce isn't just ketchup

I think I know why my meatloaf isn't exactly a hit now

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