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It's amazing how much snappier Monterey is on my 2018 MacBook Pro - Big Sur really ran like trash on it for some reason. Anybody else feel the same? I was heavily considering picking up an M1X MacBook Pro, but I guess I'll wait.
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Nov 2, 2021 15:00
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I had such a poor experience with Big Sur that it's what finally pushed me to get rid of my 2013 MacBook Pro. That and the rapidly decreasing value of an Intel Mac.
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Nov 2, 2021 16:34
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Setting up a new Mac has finally urged me to come up with a first-install script that will brew install all my common tools. Not looking forward to seeing how outdated it is by the time I actually use it again.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:18
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Nov 2, 2021 19:30
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Martytoof posted:Setting up a new Mac has finally urged me to come up with a first-install script that will brew install all my common tools. Not looking forward to seeing how outdated it is by the time I actually use it again. Haha I tried to play the “dotfiles” game once. Huge waste of time, terribly nerdy. I had fun doing it tho.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:38
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Not sure if this is the place to ask or not, but I need to test something on a mac that needs graphic acceleration. But don't have a mac to do said testing. Would there be a way to host it in a VM on a windows desktop or would the performance be so bad as to not be worth it? Is a mac mini in my future? Also wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the windows thread so starting here.
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Nov 3, 2021 02:21
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Legally impossible, practically a hassle, but moreover I don't think you're going to get any graphics acceleration on a VM.
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Nov 3, 2021 02:59
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MacStadium.com might be worth checking out. AWS has macOS hosts now too, but I think the pricing is pretty terrible. A Mac Mini or M1 Air might be the best if this is a recurring need. Who doesn’t want a(nother) Mac anyway?
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Nov 3, 2021 03:22
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Zil posted:Not sure if this is the place to ask or not, but I need to test something on a mac that needs graphic acceleration. But don't have a mac to do said testing. Would there be a way to host it in a VM on a windows desktop or would the performance be so bad as to not be worth it? Is a mac mini in my future? It's not possible under windows as far as I know, you'd have to use linux and do pci passthrough with an AMD card or onboard intel video, but thats the same amount of work as making a hackintosh. Just buy the cheapest m1 apple you can find.
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Nov 3, 2021 04:08
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Martytoof posted:Setting up a new Mac has finally urged me to come up with a first-install script that will brew install all my common tools. Not looking forward to seeing how outdated it is by the time I actually use it again. You'll have to install python and ruby manually soon
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Nov 3, 2021 05:54
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Quackles posted:You'll have to install python and ruby manually soon Nah, I avoid this whole mess by just being indecisive. Every time I start to link about learning Python to do a specific thing I get to this point:  start to obsess over my decision, and eventually give up out of frustration reverting to just doing things with a shell script. Instead of just, you know, just picking one and moving on like a normal person might. 5 years and counting!
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Nov 3, 2021 13:53
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Jeff Geerling has a whole thing about using Ansible to set up his local Mac. And it's basically a yaml wrapper around Python.
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Nov 3, 2021 14:10
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Martytoof posted:Legally impossible, practically a hassle, but moreover I don't think you're going to get any graphics acceleration on a VM. Perplx posted:It's not possible under windows as far as I know, you'd have to use linux and do pci passthrough with an AMD card or onboard intel video, but thats the same amount of work as making a hackintosh. Just buy the cheapest m1 apple you can find. Thank you both. That was the conclusion I was coming to as well after googling last night.
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Nov 3, 2021 14:42
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It might be worth giving the AWS EC2 Mac instances a go https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/mac/ You get a Mac mini, whether that's enough video acceleration for your needs I'm not sure about.
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Nov 3, 2021 15:05
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Martytoof posted:Nah, I avoid this whole mess by just being indecisive. Every time I start to link about learning Python to do a specific thing I get to this point: No, lemme explain: Brew requires Ruby (I don't think it needs Python but I'm not sure) to run. Soon, Apple is removing those from being preinstalled on every Mac. So, you'll have to manually install Ruby and maybe Python just to install Brew.
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Nov 3, 2021 17:13
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Quackles posted:No, lemme explain: Brew requires Ruby (I don't think it needs Python but I'm not sure) to run. Soon, Apple is removing those from being preinstalled on every Mac. So, you'll have to manually install Ruby and maybe Python just to install Brew. Why, Apple? What is gained from removing language environments/interpreters from the base installation? It can't take up that much disk space so all I can think of is maybe less attack surface since there's less languages to support in the base OS?
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Nov 3, 2021 17:19
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Oh, that’s really weird. Well at any rate I’m sure I’ll just be able to do a brew install rub—oh  Hmm. If they want to reduce OS footprint by removing things 99% of people might not use on the reg, it would be cool if they assumed developers use at least one of these two languages and install it with xcode-select. That might be a lot to ask. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 17:23
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Quackles posted:No, lemme explain: Brew requires Ruby (I don't think it needs Python but I'm not sure) to run. Soon, Apple is removing those from being preinstalled on every Mac. So, you'll have to manually install Ruby and maybe Python just to install Brew. It's a bash script, it will install whatever it needs to under the hood, it shouldn't be noticeable to end users at all. /bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"
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Nov 3, 2021 17:31
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Perplx posted:It's a bash script, it will install whatever it needs to under the hood, it shouldn't be noticeable to end users at all. they should add a feature to email this to you as an attachment for extra security
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Nov 3, 2021 17:44
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nothing bad has ever come out of piping curl to sh then again I'm the guy installing casks and brew items with presumably zero security testing so...
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Nov 3, 2021 17:55
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Arivia posted:Why, Apple? What is gained from removing language environments/interpreters from the base installation? It can't take up that much disk space so all I can think of is maybe less attack surface since there's less languages to support in the base OS? I'm guessing it's a combination of that and avoiding some complications that can arise when people are careless. Probably they've found a way to make Python and/or Ruby work without requiring it be installed. It's also not that difficult to download and install either language's packages yourself. 
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Nov 3, 2021 18:01
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Apple is removing the system-shipped Ruby / Python / Perl because (a) an overwhelming number of users never use them and (b) they're massively outdated and (c) the people who do use them use the non-outdated versions from Homebrew anyway.
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Roadie posted:Apple is removing the system-shipped Ruby / Python / Perl because (a) an overwhelming number of users never use them and (b) they're massively outdated and (c) the people who do use them use the non-outdated versions from Homebrew anyway. Yeah, but now if you come upon a mac in the wild you won't be able to program on it by default even if the sysadmin locked it down 
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Nov 3, 2021 20:11
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Martytoof posted:Nah, I avoid this whole mess by just being indecisive. Every time I start to link about learning Python to do a specific thing I get to this point: For me, one of the first things when I got my Macbook was install Anaconda for Python and JupyterLab. I've just focused on 3.x and didn't care too much about learning 2.x. JL is easier for me dealing with data.
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Nov 4, 2021 00:49
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Python 2 has been deprecated by brew - brew won't even let you install it any more without digging up an old version of the formula. More broadly, Python 2 has also been suggested as 'don't do it' for people starting new projects. And I recommend Python 3 myself.
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Nov 4, 2021 00:57
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Yeah nobody should be using Python2 who doesn’t have a ton of unported code to continue supporting. If you’re starting fresh, this is a no-brainer.
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Nov 4, 2021 02:06
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Arivia posted:Why, Apple? What is gained from removing language environments/interpreters from the base installation? It can't take up that much disk space so all I can think of is maybe less attack surface since there's less languages to support in the base OS? I suggest that it's because at the end of the day a very small percentage of users actually use the built-in (and outdated) versions of Ruby or Python? Those users are do use Ruby/Python also technically proficient enough to personally manage and update these environments themselves, so why should Apple allocate any resources to do so? binarysmurf fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 02:23
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Python 2 should have been nuked 3 releases ago Booting ruby and making it harder to install Brew........goddamn, I'm not even a dev, but I did support big teams of them in the past and it just amazes me the lengths Apple will go to to piss those guys off... 
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Nov 4, 2021 02:31
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Cool cool, now I need to brainstorm another excuse to continually not learn Python, thanks guys  Anyway, it’s been over a year since we all got M1s, how is Discord still a Rosetta app? To add insult to injury, they explicitly flagged the Discord iPad app as not downloadable on a Mac. Reports seem to be that it works fine if you sideload the IPA so I dunno what’s up there. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 02:52
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Matt Zerella posted:Jeff Geerling has a whole thing about using Ansible to set up his local Mac. And it's basically a yaml wrapper around Python. Man, small world. I met Jeff when I used to go to Drupal meetups. Looked up his blog and found a lot of religious “the ACA is bad because it provides birth control and the government shouldn’t be paying women who can’t control themselves to have sex” type of stuff and noped out. Now I see he has a successful Patreon, YouTube channel, etc. Good for him I guess.
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Nov 4, 2021 03:25
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Quackles posted:Python 2 has been deprecated by brew - brew won't even let you install it any more without digging up an old version of the formula. Python 2 won't even run on Apple Silicon, will it? At least a coworker of mine says that's why he can't run our legacy-rear end project on his M1.
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Nov 4, 2021 03:47
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Demonstrably false given the OEM Apple python is 2.7 and is a fat x86-64 and arm64e binary, but you didn’t hear it from me because I don’t want to snitch on your coworker  Dependencies and other libraries may, of course, be the culprit. It does flash a big “stop using this” message when you execute it.
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Nov 4, 2021 12:44
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Even more ridiculous is that the Python that Apple includes with Mojave is 2.7.17 and the one included for Big Slur is 2.7.16. The one included with Monterey is 2.7.18 if you want to get properly confused. The exact warning Apple flashes when you run 'python' by itself in the Terminal is: code:Edit: Apple is currently including Python 3.8.9 with their tools, somewhat behind the current 3.8.12 I have with homebrew.. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 14:22
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So that's actually kind of good then. As long as when I don't have to go manually fetch a Python package to install homebrew on a new Mac in the future I actually don't really care if they remove it or not. My nightmare scenario was "dowload this specific python DMG and then run the homebrew install curl" I'll be honest, as someone who may learn python one day but really only relies on it as a dependency for other things, I really don't care what is or isn't installed by default. At this point I guess I expect it to be seamless to me. If something needs a specific version of python then that's kind of a black box problem to me that people are solving behind the scenes. As long as my "brew install porntube-downloader" works as expected I'm fairly cool. Though now that my py2/py3 thing is solved I'm out of reasons to not learn python for scripting stuff and I may develop an opinion on the matter sooner or later. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 15:07
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Yeah it's just as well to not have to deal with "system Python" fighting with whatever version(s) I install myself; I'd much rather install all versions using the same third-party tool so they're all in the same path hierarchy. When FreeBSD tried to eradicate Perl from the system it was a huge brouhaha because there were a ton of system utilities that were just Perl scripts and had to be migrated to something else. I would hope MacOS isn't in that boat.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:11
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Binary Badger posted:Big Slur 
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Violator posted:Man, small world. I met Jeff when I used to go to Drupal meetups. Looked up his blog and found a lot of religious “the ACA is bad because it provides birth control and the government shouldn’t be paying women who can’t control themselves to have sex” type of stuff and noped out. Now I see he has a successful Patreon, YouTube channel, etc. Good for him I guess. I learned Ansible from him, I don't care about any of that other crap and he keeps it out of his vids so idc.
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Nov 4, 2021 16:16
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Matt Zerella posted:I learned Ansible from him, I don't care about any of that other crap and he keeps it out of his vids so idc. It's hard to maintain any kind of online presence for both your personal and professional life without people finding out you're a furry, trump supporter, or like hawaiian pizza. Sucks.
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Martytoof posted:I think when I ditch the intel MBP it’ll also be time to finally revisit ditching Adobe. It's...not bad? I get frustrated trying to do somethings quickly because I have a couple decades' worth of Photoshop muscle memory going on, but so far haven't really found anything I can't do with it, other than obsessively cut and layer out GIF for making avatars, which I haven't done in years anyway lol. It's definitely got some quirky and annoying behaviour around how active layers become active, but overall can't complain at getting them both for 50% off. It's doing 99% of what I used Photoshop for.
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