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i'm actually not trolling; the dialogue of the marvel movies never stuck out to me as the weak point. but i dunno, i liked dr horrible at the time, just like everyone else. one scene that i really disliked was actually from The Last Jedi, but it felt very marvel-y: the part at the beginning where oscar isaac prank calls the bad guy ship and distracts them by pretending he has the wrong number or something like that. that scene stuck out to me as really obnoxious and totally out of place in a star wars flick, and at the time it felt like a clear product of the mcu machine. but the problem wasn't "quippiness," per se; it was just a poorly paced and unfunny sequence. drat horror queefs posted:God Franzen is such a knob. Can anyone explain to me why he's still a literary establishment darling? I read 1.5 books of his trying to figure it out and I just don't get it, he sucks rear end i will probably go to my grave without being able to articulate the difference between jonathan franzen and dave eggers
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Aglet56 posted:i liked dr horrible at the time, just like everyone else. stick to “I” statements
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like if you seriously want an explanation of what mcu quips are look at it this way in the first two iron man movies tony stark is a smug rear end in a top hat whos forced to face his own mortality and realizes to his great discomfort that he cant just sarcasm his way out of dying his whole arc is humility this is why people like the character and by extension robert downey junior because its a pretty good representation of a mid life crisis every subsequent movie kills the humility aspect of this arc even worse than iron man two did because tony stark is just a smug supergenius whos always right about everything and is at worst being manipulated into believing the right things for the wrong reasons probably the single worst example of this is in the spider man movies where the script acts like tony stark is an unconventional mentor figure but the actual text of downeys performance is rear end in a top hat stark from the first movie just refusing to take peter parker seriously because hes got hookers to gently caress basically the entirity of the mcu after avengers leans heavily on the viewer remembering how sympathetic tony stark is in the first couple of movies and forgetting the actual context of that sympathy so he can just be a badass that heroically sacrifices himself for the greater good and robert downey juniors increasingly high bars to reprise the role dont even slightly surprise me because the elevation of tony stark from a flawed figure to a platonic hero so thoroughly defies what got him interested in the role in the first place
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i appreciate the sincere response this kind of alights on my criticism of the last jedi scene as well: the problem is a tonal mismatch, not jokey dialogue per se anyways i don't know why i always get sucked into devils advocating these movies because i don't like them either
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That ‘I can’t hear you can you hear me’ was the best scene I n any Starr Wars since the 80’s. When that came out I was having non-stop video conferences in stupid meeting rooms and was ALWAYS doing that. I kept laughing until my wife elbow-jammed me as I was ‘getting looks’. My whole childhood I spent watching scifi movies and TV shows where people effortlessly communicate over a big screen TVs with a camera and a mic. I’m in that future, and it BARELY works. Tonally, sure its nuts, so it’s clearly a late change or something dragged in from someplace else. I have no idea what brilliant punch-up artist did that, I hope they were well paid.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:17
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No that scene sucks gently caress you
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to be totally fair stark is definitely written to be a quip machine in the first two movies but the story works with this by sucker punching him with the reveal that his corporation is actually evil in the first one and having the closest thing he has to an real friend kick him in the nuts with his own robot in the second one because hes being a dumbass nothing even close to that happens in the other mcu movies which bend over backwards to come up with excuses for his behavior its not like there werent opportunities to work this in either the entire hulk rampage scene in avengers works a lot better if hes chasing stark rather than black widow because they literally just had a whole involved conversation where rogers says that stark is nothing without his suit like hell instead of having whatshisname get janked by loki have him die taking a hulk punch for stark both helping stark understand the severity of the situation and emphasizing why bruce banner is so deadset on people not loving around with hulk because hes bad news the screenplay doesnt do this because the quip quota really really wants the scene where stark is being a smug dickhead to loki since its very memetic
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Femur posted:Re:dune , someone once summarized the dune series to me as: humans won the robot wars with eugenics, but it turns out, we were from a dream of an interdimensional god? Is that in incorrect belief? They combined it with PK Dick's VALIS.
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by the same train of thought loki briefly becomes a cartoon character in avengers for the sole purpose of setting up the puny god line everything else about him works much worse if you take away his sympathetic motive from the first thor movie and subsequent loki projects have struggled to try and walk this back because hiddleston playing loki as a trickster troll who accidentally falls assfirst into a greek tragedy is the main reason people like loki at all
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Those of us who always thought Whedon was scum will not have our vindication erased!! Anyone could tell he was bad if you watched a handful of Buffy and had any sense whatsoever Own your shame nerds, I shan't do it for you Judakel posted:xi, save us from snyder freaks ok judakel
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are the zack snyder worshipping people the same people from CineD in like 2009 who insisted that the transformers movies were secretly genius
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I just think he makes cool fight sequences and is a rare hollywood non-sicko.
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Casey Finnigan posted:are the zack snyder worshipping people the same people from CineD in like 2009 who insisted that the transformers movies were secretly genius There's definitely some overlap, such as myself, but I couldn't guess it's extent. And it's no secret friendo
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Some Guy TT posted:like if you seriously want an explanation of what mcu quips are look at it this way in the first two iron man movies tony stark is a smug rear end in a top hat whos forced to face his own mortality and realizes to his great discomfort that he cant just sarcasm his way out of dying his whole arc is humility this is why people like the character and by extension robert downey junior because its a pretty good representation of a mid life crisis Casey Finnigan posted:are the zack snyder worshipping people the same people from CineD in like 2009 who insisted that the transformers movies were secretly genius
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snyder freak, snyder freak, i'm snyder freaky, yo
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https://twitter.com/PhilstarShowbiz/status/1456189633255989253 not an entirely inappropriate role!
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Mirello posted:my wife and I loved it. fun, which has been missing from bond for a long while. the ending is amazing too. I'd definitely say it's worth the watch. good to know. i thought all of the craig bonds, aside from casino royale, were pretty bad and boring. and yeah they just weren't fun and got far too grimdork SUPER SERIOUS mopey; and also a lot of terrible writing. i did like casino royale a lot though
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Blood Boils posted:Those of us who always thought Whedon was scum will not have our vindication erased!! Anyone could tell he was bad if you watched a handful of Buffy and had any sense whatsoever You weren't vindicated, because your answer to "what is good?" was a dude who got driven out of the industry and now makes direct-to-streaming fare. Blood Boils posted:ok judakel Ok liberal
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They quip now? They quip now.
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Judakel posted:You weren't vindicated, because your answer to "what is good?" was a dude who got driven out of the industry and now makes direct-to-streaming fare. i know as a cape movie fan scorsese hurt you but it's not fair to refer to "The Irishman" so dismissively
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josh04 posted:i know as a cape movie fan scorsese hurt you but it's not fair to refer to "The Irishman" so dismissively The Irishman had a theatrical release. 
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Superhero movies are just like the modern versions of "Abbot and Costello meet the Wolf Man" or whatever the poo poo comfort food - you know what you're going to get the moment you sit down and you turn off your brain and forget about the horrors of the world for 2 hours and RDJ says something charming and Chris Hemsworth flexes his big arms granted a looooot of them are also just directly propaganda for the US military but that's... whatever. I mean what isn't The worst part about them is that some people only watch those movies and the conversation is like "Yeah I saw that one too, there sure were a lot of explosions and CGI. I wonder if the next one will also have the main character fight an evil version of themself at the end"
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Blood Boils posted:There's definitely some overlap, such as myself, but I couldn't guess it's extent. And it's no secret friendo I fell for this i remember. I rewatchrd transformers like 5 years ago, wondering what i missed. It was still horrible poo poo
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Never again...the transformers fetishists must be stopped
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mandatory lesbian posted:I fell for this i remember. I rewatchrd transformers like 5 years ago, wondering what i missed. It was still horrible poo poo Cine D just adopts contrarian points of view to seem interesting.
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Judakel posted:The Irishman had a theatrical release. ah, the same as every great film by zachary edward "zack" snyder, then?
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there are no good movie opinions
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ArmZ posted:there are no good movie opinions Blue Velvet is a great film
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Aglet56 posted:i'm actually not trolling; the dialogue of the marvel movies never stuck out to me as the weak point. but i dunno, i liked dr horrible at the time, just like everyone else. there's probably several factors one is general overexposure: there's been over twenty MCU movies alone, most with essentially identical writing, let alone all the copycats and artistically-influenced movies/TV shows/games another is specific cliche: "that just happened" "ooh awkward" "let's not and say we did" and similar are specifically overused to the point of being recognisable. there's that picture of a whiteboard with forbidden scriptwriting phrases, and they're all quips like these because they've been used so much by lazy writers over the years another is they're not actual jokes: quips take the place of jokes in the script, they have the same function and rhythm and are read the same way by actors... but they aren't jokes. there's no set-up, no punchline, no twist, no revelation. they're just words said in the cadence normally used for jokes. think of how a laugh track is used in a sitcom to cue the audience to laugh at lines that aren't actually funny another is the lack of commitment: quips are often deployed to undercut emotional sincerity by nervous writers. if you're afraid a sad/heartwarming/enraging/whatever scene might not land with audiences, you can blunt it with a quip to make people laugh instead. that way, no one can say you're a bad writer! so you end up with movies that won't say or mean anything because they keep taking it back with jokes. it all flattens out into a kind of emotional soup another is lack of effort: it's hard to make a visual gag, especially if half your movie is CGI that has to be prepped a year in advance. making a movie funny visually is tough. but it's easy to get two actors to say funny things, and then film it. it's not a good use of the medium, but it's easy and cheap - and because it's easy and cheap, it gets done all the time so on so forth
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:Blue Velvet is a great film so obvious that it goes without saying, therefore a bad opinion
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Xaris posted:good to know. i thought all of the craig bonds, aside from casino royale, were pretty bad and boring. and yeah they just weren't fun and got far too grimdork SUPER SERIOUS mopey; and also a lot of terrible writing. i did like casino royale a lot though I'm exactly agreed with you. I hated all of them other than casino royale. even skyfall which was supposed to be good sucked imo. this one was a fun time. it seemed like all of the rest of them was about him needing to retire. this ones fun throughout. the lady bond stinks though.
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I remember enjoying the Craig bonds at the time but apart from Casino Royale I couldn't even tell you what happened in any of them. I'm pretty sure there was a super metroid escape scene in a car in one of them
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josh04 posted:ah, the same as every great film by zachary edward "zack" snyder, then? I had completely forgotten that Army of the Dead had a theatrical release. Probably because The Irishman was bought by Netflix and released in theaters strictly for the prestige of award nominations, while no one is really sure why Army of the Dead got a theatrical release. Come to think of it, had Scorsese not insisted on CGI and simply cast another actor to play a young Deniro, he probably wouldn't have needed to turn to Netflix. Snyder really had no choice though.
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josh04 posted:who would have made "pretend it's a city" though? Hopefully no one.
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I loved the marvel movies and all but they really have no reason to keep going after endgame (yes yes I know it’s about money). The formula is played. You can only really use such a narrow repetitive formula so many times before it becomes unpleasant. And the whole premise reached its logical endpoint. We got to see heroes from multiple movies all come together, we got to see the crossover persist after the first crossover movie ended, and we got to see everyone all charge across a field to triumphant music to punch some evil robots and save existence. All character arcs completed. All dangling plot threads tied up. All main characters retired or martyred. Everything that could be done with the premise has been explored. It’s done let it die. Who the gently caress cares about watching nobodies like Shang Chi and the Eternals repeat what the actual famous characters just finished doing.
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galagazombie posted:I loved the marvel movies and all but they really have no reason to keep going after endgame (yes yes I know it’s about money). The formula is played. You can only really use such a narrow repetitive formula so many times before it becomes unpleasant. And the whole premise reached its logical endpoint. We got to see heroes from multiple movies all come together, we got to see the crossover persist after the first crossover movie ended, and we got to see everyone all charge across a field to triumphant music to punch some evil robots and save existence. All character arcs completed. All dangling plot threads tied up. All main characters retired or martyred. Everything that could be done with the premise has been explored. It’s done let it die. Who the gently caress cares about watching nobodies like Shang Chi and the Eternals repeat what the actual famous characters just finished doing. this is kinda how i feel about them too tbh, i was a big comic fan as a kid so i enjoyed seeing comic books but in movie format, and i think the mcu did a really good job at translating comic books to the screen complete with both their flaws and their strengths. far from perfect movies and definitely not works of art but fun as dumb entertainment for a couple hours but frankly they've now done the arcs for all the characters i read comics of when i was a kid and i simply do not give a poo poo about these new movies with characters i've never heard of before
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transformers gobbles such high rates of poo poo that even I, a man who likes trash, can’t bring myself to look at it
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