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This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. Where have these people been getting milk for $1.99? According to Google, the average price of milk in 1990 was $2.39. Also, 12 gallons of milk per week for two people?!?! This is a promotional tweet by the actual CNN anchor and not someone making fun of it. https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1456227125346832384
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Lib and let die posted:You don't even need to leave the google search result page to know why we're sending interlopers to Nicaragua. Anyway, targeted sanctions, invasion with gunboats, same thing right? Absolutely nothing different about a unilateral military action and a international pressure campaign at all.
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How are u posted:I agree that we treat KSA with kid gloves because of the money, absolutely, and our ongoing relationship with KSA and MBS is disgusting and shameful. You’re basically describing Cuba, one of the only leftist states able to successfully resist US imperialism. And it’s not like we don’t do all those things too. We jail political protesters all the time, we throw the Donzigers of our society to the wolves or chase them out of the country. And the only parties going have both been dominated by political family dynasties within living memory. It’s laughably naive or myopic to think those accusations aren’t just accusations of running an an efficient state that is amorally pursuing its goals. Our poo poo stinks too, and we don’t have any moral high ground to tell people we spend billions of dollars trying to undermine and assassinate they have to follow our rules. They already are following our rules, buddy! We approve of all those things if our allies do them so like it or not they are living up to our miserable, lovely violent oppressive standard, and yet you can act like we’re above it or in a place to judge. Sad, and preventative of more clear discernment IMO.
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How are u posted:I agree that we treat KSA with kid gloves because of the money, absolutely, and our ongoing relationship with KSA and MBS is disgusting and shameful. I mean, we just had a giant conversation yesterday where several people espoused their belief that the rule of law is bullshit that doesn't do anything but reinforce unjust hierarchies, especially because the Right just ignores it at will anyway and Liberals only espouse it to excuse inaction. There's clearly a lot of people on this forum who are only interested in leftist outcomes and don't care about methods. That being said, the fact that the US has a funny habit of caring a lot more about dictators and death squads when they threaten US business interests, and that hard right wing dictators are less likely to do that, are salient points. American Empire is absolutely biased against leftist economic reform on an international scale and has been for more than a century now, regardless of the source of that reform. The only exceptions to that are when it happens in countries America can't afford to bully for whatever reason. The source of that reform being a militant organization jailing political enemies just gives them a better excuse to do it in the eyes of the world.
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Eric Cantonese posted:We're going through a Jimmy Carter speedrun right now, so we'll probably just get another Eagle Claw. This one will be with Spanish speaking baddies instead. When do we get to the Iran adventure part of this, and the one term for Biden? Sanguinia posted:I mean, we just had a giant conversation yesterday where several people espoused their belief that the rule of law is bullshit that doesn't do anything but reinforce unjust hierarchies, especially because the Right just ignores it at will anyway and Liberals only espouse it to excuse inaction. There's clearly a lot of people on this forum who are only interested in leftist outcomes and don't care about methods. We also talked about Metal Gear Solid and how much it owns.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, 12 gallons of milk per week for two people?!?! Who are you to tell them the facebook post claiming milk baths prevent covid was wrong?
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Tibalt posted:Man, it's almost like things kept happening in Nicaragua over the last 40 years and didn't freeze in place in 1979. Economic sanctions cause suffering among the most vulnerable portions of a population of the government they're imposed upon. Given the choice, I'd personally rather take a .45 to the back of the skull at the hands of an invading soldier than starve to death at the hand of an invading economic force.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. Not that I disagree, but in areas where milk production occurs, $1.99/gallon could be surprisingly common up until somewhere recently. We have a fair amount of milk production in AZ and up until the pandemic I could get a gallon of milk at Wal-mart or Kroger for $1.79/gallon or so, but now it’s up to about $2.59/gallon.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:When do we get to the Iran adventure part of this, and the one term for Biden? We already had a painful withdrawal from Afghanistan and a lot of right-wing grousing about our loss of manhood and the price of gas. Don't get greedy.
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Main Paineframe posted:Well, I typed it into Google search instead of Twitter search, and Reuters says that the Nicaraguan government has arrested "dozens of opposition politicians", including several "presidential hopefuls". Sure, I only did a whopping ten seconds of research into the subject, but that's ten more seconds than you or any of these posters bothered to put into it: Most of the politicians arrested have openly taken funds from the United States, and the Chamorros in particular have just been funneled CIA money for years including leading up to the poo poo in 2018, so it's not like this was just Ortega jailing everyone who posed a threat -- he jailed the ones supported by a hostile foreign government. I don't know if that's true for 100% of them and that could still be viewed as anti-democratic, I guess, but that's pretty relevant context. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. ...the whites have some explaining to do BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. If you go further in the thread, you find out that they have two kids and are fostering 6-7 more. However, you also find out that milk hasn't been $1.99 in a long loving time. Why in the hell aren't they shopping at Costco?
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Lib and let die posted:Economic sanctions cause suffering among the most vulnerable portions of a population of the government they're imposed upon. Given the choice, I'd personally rather take a .45 to the back of the skull than starve to death. It is a non-binding resolution that applies to 27 military generals for arresting all of the major opposing Presidential candidates. In no way is the original characterization of "a bill that requires an economic blockade to punish them for having elections" by a Sputnik reporter even remotely close to accurate.
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Feldegast42 posted:This is a great post and I want to add that I'm pretty sure Trump was already running birther poo poo and had previously ran for president on a third party ticket, so him not being a political figure in 2009 is another laughable lie I already replied to you on the last page, but since the thread as moved on I don't want to edit this part in: Trump seems to have jumped on the birther bandwagon in 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html quote:It was not true in 2011, when Donald J. Trump mischievously began to question President Obama’s birthplace aloud in television interviews. “I’m starting to think that he was not born here,” he said at the time. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/birtherism-and-trump/610978/ quote:Romney’s birther joke was preceded by another key development, the alliance between the reality-show celebrity Donald Trump and Fox News. In the spring of 2011, as the Republican primary got under way, Trump embraced the birther theory wholesale, wielding his trademark innuendos and falsehoods. Fox News then picked up the crusade, devoting hours of airtime to his insinuations. It only takes a quick google to check things. Darkrenown posted:I guess it's a good thing I never said Trump wasn't a political figure in 2009, but you have disproved the argument that you imagined in your head. Good job.
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Eric Cantonese posted:We already had a painful withdrawal from Afghanistan and a lot of right-wing grousing about our loss of manhood and the price of gas. Don't get greedy. I'm an American. My greed knows no bounds. . .
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Darkrenown posted:I already replied to you on the last page, but since the thread as moved on I don't want to edit this part in: Trump was talking about the central park 5 back in 1989 so it seems like it was bad to take money from him, in my opinion.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Most of the politicians arrested have openly taken funds from the United States, and the Chamorros in particular have just been funneled CIA money for years including leading up to the poo poo in 2018, so it's not like this was just Ortega jailing everyone who posed a threat -- he jailed the ones supported by a hostile foreign government. I don't know if that's true for 100% of them and that could still be viewed as anti-democratic, I guess, but that's pretty relevant context. That's the game. The evil empire deliberately puts ideological enemies into a double bind of using strict methods (bad means) or getting hosed over (bad ends) and then when the empire doesn't win it can shout "the ends don't justify the means! Evil socialism!"
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Only takes a moment to google who the major opposing Presidential candidates are as well, morons
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. CNN has been knives out since Afghanistan withdrawal and it’s been very tedious Milks been 2.59 for as long as I can remember, it went all the way up to 2.69 this year.
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Most of the RENACER Act is strengthening of garbage that is already law and makes it harder for Nicaragua to get foreign loans. The worst poo poo is already law.
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Bellmaker posted:CNN has been knives out since Afghanistan withdrawal and it’s been very tedious What should the media be? It sounds like a lot of people are expecting fawning coverage with a footnote that some things aren't going as well as planned. For me, I want to see the media holding the people "we" elect accountable, not doing PR work for them. Adversarial coverage is good, and it shouldn't have stopped the moment Trump was voted out. But at this point, I'll settle for them taking the knives out over the price of milk, because they're not going to cover anything of worth that could damage Biden, because doing actual damage to Biden is doing actual damage to Capital. This just reads like "WHY ISN'T SHEP SMITH BEING NICE TO MY PRESIDENT TRUMP!?!?!" but from the other aisle. eta, since it was posted while i was typing: Solkanar512 posted:Why in the hell aren't they shopping at Costco? Isn't this just blaming the victims of a predatory economy? Why is it on average citizens to price map out the various distributors around them and then waste and burn fossil fuels hopping from store to store chasing the prices they can afford? Seriously, what the gently caress? Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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selec posted:Never trust expats to tell you what’s going on inside a country you can just send a reporter to. yeah fuckin ridiculous everyone knows it was Beria doing the baby eating 
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Most of the politicians arrested have openly taken funds from the United States, and the Chamorros in particular have just been funneled CIA money for years including leading up to the poo poo in 2018, so it's not like this was just Ortega jailing everyone who posed a threat -- he jailed the ones supported by a hostile foreign government. I don't know if that's true for 100% of them and that could still be viewed as anti-democratic, I guess, but that's pretty relevant context. It's weird that the liberal zeitgeist post-2016 was all about rooting for the prosecution and imprisonment of Americans who took money from foreign governments but for mysterious reasons, other countries are crossing the line when they do the same. Only some other countries though. Some countries can do it and be fine
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Seems like Youngkin has given national Republicans a model to run on in the midterms. https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1455948879359262725 NRCC campaign document says that they key issues candidates should highlight are: quote:- "The rights of parents to raise and educate their children according to their personal beliefs without interference from government." Lots of greatest hits, but half of the main talking points are about education, parental rights, and social issues that are rolled into "education" issues. Also interesting is no foreign policy, nothing about healthcare except the standard anti-socialized medicine line, nothing about social security, nothing about new tax cuts (just preventing Democrats from raising taxes. Although, this is probably because Biden will still be President and they are messaging with that in mind), and nothing about jobs. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Lib and let die posted:What should the media be? It sounds like a lot of people are expecting fawning coverage with a footnote that some things aren't going as well as planned. I agree with this in theory but the media has been transparently obvious that they want more conflict abroad, they went from blowing rainbows up Biden’s rear end to full on adversarial the second the withdrawal happened. Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Yeah, they have healthcare. Yes and which political organization has done more for Healthcare in the United States? Republicans, Democrats or Independents?
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Bellmaker posted:I agree with this in theory but the media has been transparently obvious that they want more conflict abroad, they went from blowing rainbows up Biden’s rear end to full on adversarial the second the withdrawal happened. The only disagreement I might have with this sentiment is the word "transparently" because if it were that transparent, it probably would just be "obvious" to a small, terminally-online slice of politically-active people, but yeah it's absolutely transparent to anyone paying actual attention. But again, I'll take a transactional ally. It's coverage that touches on class issues like material needs, and damages Joe Biden's image as bringing back the economy.
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Lib and let die posted:What should the media be? It sounds like a lot of people are expecting fawning coverage with a footnote that some things aren't going as well as planned. It's worth going hard on Biden, but pretty much everyone but the media realized Afghanistan was a lost cause at least 10+ years ago, and instead of living in reality the media has trotted out MIC warmonger after warmonger, because that's where they get all their "analysis" from anyway.
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I am looking forward to American corporate mainstream media clearly pointing out all the shortcomings of our current capitalist system and guiding us all to a better way of doing things. Once Biden and the Democrats are out of the way, then we get the good stuff!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. A whole 20 seconds into the clip Keilar mentions the couple has kids, and they talk about how many they've adopted & fostered, as well as having birthed, around 1:00. How dare you throw off an assumption without having watched the piece, and it's not even paywalled. I believe that may be against one of the new rules, goon sire. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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What's really asymmetric is that the Trump always had a full throated propaganda machine blasting viral disinformation onto the airwaves and social media no matter what he did. Biden just doesn't, so the media turning on him after Afghanistan has really helped tank his approval. "CRT" went from a non-issue (because it doesn't exist in public schools) to the target of nation-wide schoolboard protests that draw thousands of internet-crazed morons frothing at mouth about made-up poo poo they heard online. If Dems want to win they should probably start working on setting up something similar. Imagine if in a period of two weeks, 20% of Americans could be convinced that all GOP politicians led by Mitch McConnell are drowning children in an Dubuque, Iowa basement swimming pool filled with milk in order to summon the demon Dagoroth. With weekly protests at dairy farms, viral milk-pouring videos to raise awareness, etc.. But you know, they used that power to pass the drat policies they ran on
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Sarcastr0 posted:My timeline was quite clearly decades, yours is like months. Dubar posted:If working within the democratic party is going to take generations due to the democratic party's resistance then why remain beholden to them In a few generations climate change will have made the major political divide in America that between Neo-Atlantis and the Wastelanders, so I'm planning ahead by trying to build grass roots support at the local YMCA pool. We're going to need strong swimmers to plumb the depths of Old Manhattan for weapons to stand against Immortan Trump. Good to know this aligns with other posters as a realistic approach to societal change
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HonorableTB posted:We literally invaded and occupied Nicaragua, Paine Yes, HonorableTB. I'm aware that the US literally invaded and occupied Nicaragua. I'm also aware that the occupation started one hundred and nine years ago, and ended eighty-eight years ago. So if you're going to tie that to poo poo happening literally a century later, you're going to need to actually spell out the connection a little more clearly. But that would require actually paying the slightest bit of attention to what's going on today, rather than just glancing at a tweet summary and blindly assuming that everything fits into your preconceived notions. When someone asks what something is about, they're hoping for an actual explanation, not just blindly shooting from the hip without a single look at the thing folks are asking for an explanation of. BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Most of the politicians arrested have openly taken funds from the United States, and the Chamorros in particular have just been funneled CIA money for years including leading up to the poo poo in 2018, so it's not like this was just Ortega jailing everyone who posed a threat -- he jailed the ones supported by a hostile foreign government. I don't know if that's true for 100% of them and that could still be viewed as anti-democratic, I guess, but that's pretty relevant context. It's my understanding that the law Ortega's using is very broad in what constitutes foreign ties. For example, expressing approval of targeted US sanctions at Ortega himself and his family is against the law, as an act that "undermine[s] independence, sovereignty and self-determination" or "damage[s] the supreme interests of the nation"...at least, according to the translated English excerpts I'm seeing, though I'm finding very little detailed English-language coverage from a pro-Ortega direction. Personally, I'd be shocked at all if there weren't at least a few opposition figures that were genuinely on the take from the US, but there's been quite a few arrests by this point. US interference in Latin American politics has been a constant for more than a century, but there should be some genuine domestic opposition to Ortega too. There's a real tendency among Americans - even anti-imperialist Americans - to see everything in other countries through the lens of their relationship to America and discount the impact of actual domestic politics in those countries.
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Lib and let die posted:Isn't this just blaming the victims of a predatory economy? Why is it on average citizens to price map out the various distributors around them and then waste and burn fossil fuels hopping from store to store chasing the prices they can afford? Christ, you're loving dishonest. The price of milk hasn't been that loving low in forever. You cut that part out of my quote on purpose. I pointed out that everyone mocking them ignored the fact that they're fostering 6-7 kids. You cut that out as well. You didn't get upset at any of your buddies who were mocking them for drinking too much milk. You hold no moral authority over anyone here. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Lib and let die posted:Isn't this just blaming the victims of a predatory economy? Why is it on average citizens to price map out the various distributors around them and then waste and burn fossil fuels hopping from store to store chasing the prices they can afford? Drinking over 103 pounds of milk per week (and somehow paying less for it than people did in 1990) is not really a mandatory component of a predatory economy. It's just a funny/bizarre choice to highlight. There are real issues of price increases that are more relevant to the average American. According to the USDA, the average American consumes 17 gallons of milk per year and the average household consumes 31 per year. That means these people and their kids are consuming more than 11x more milk per person than the average American and 34x more milk than an average household. It was just a funny and weird example they chose to highlight as an "average" amount of milk consumed.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seems like Youngkin has given national Republicans a model to run on in the midterms. I need to get out of this hellhole country. I'm not going to lives the rest of my professional life teaching fascist-mandated propaganda and hurting LGBTQ kids for a paycheck.
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Delthalaz posted:What's really asymmetric is that the Trump always had a full throated propaganda machine blasting viral disinformation onto the airwaves and social media no matter what he did. Biden just doesn't, so the media turning on him after Afghanistan has really helped tank his approval. "CRT" went from a non-issue (because it doesn't exist in public schools) to the target of nation-wide schoolboard protests that draw thousands of internet-crazed morons frothing at mouth about made-up poo poo they heard online. If Bloomberg actually gave a poo poo about doing something that could really change the world, this is it. Unlike with a presidential campaign, he already has the expertise!
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Sanguinia posted:I need to get out of this hellhole country. I'm not going to lives the rest of my professional life teaching fascist-mandated propaganda and hurting LGBTQ kids for a paycheck.
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Solkanar512 posted:Christ, you're loving dishonest. The price of milk hasn't been that loving low in forever. You cut that part out of my quote on purpose. I pointed out that everyone mocking them ignored the fact that they're fostering 6-7 kids. You cut that out as well. You didn't get upset at any of your buddies who were mocking them for drinking too much milk. Regardless of the specificity of the price, you're still shifting responsibility onto the consumer to hunt for a more reasonable price. Don't do that. Address your victim blaming or don't, but I'm not doing the pedantry derail with you. And you're doing this about people that have adopted half a dozen kids! In the very same D&D forum in which I was told if I started taking in homeless people, then I'd be worthy of federal aid lmao!
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