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Walla posted:That's not true. The last 2 mainline games were on the 3DS, as well as a number of spin offs. Plenty of Nintendo players are familiar with SMT. Yeah, I mean that's how I stumbled into the series. I saw one day the DS-version of Strange Journey and was like "SMT? Like that SNES-game?" I just had to know what that game was about, and liked it so much I later re-bought the remaster for my 3DS. Hell, if it came out again for Switch, I would buy it a third time, just so my character, secret agent John Geary, could travel to Antarctica to unravel demonic mysteries again
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its always fun when persona gamers finally play SMT lol
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I feel like it's a reasonable assumption that, for an English language review, readers interested in SMT are likely to already be familiar with Persona? For English speakers, SMT is less well known, and it's likely that if someone has heard of it, it would be in the context of something else that Atlus made, or "hey did you know that Persona was called SMT: Persona and was actually a spinoff of the original SMT games" or something. I'd actually pretty strongly expect an English language review to mention the differences. Not as "oh it's not like Persona so it's bad," but if someone is interested in SMT because Persona was literally originally called SMT: Persona they might want a heads up about the differences.
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I feel like the problem is that SMT isn't very much like Persona at all. Starting with P3, Persona became more "high school life simulator where you make friends and date the cute girls" with a little bit of fighting monsters in dungeons, whereas SMT was never really like that (though I think the first two games did take place at a high school but there wasn't a life sim aspect to it). Starting with Nocturne, SMT has pretty much been "survival in a world of demons after the apocalypse." To use another example that's been discussed in the thread before, if game reviewers said "Metroid Dread is really dumb and boring, I miss the swordplay from Hollow Knight, and why doesn't Dread have multiple endings and secret bosses?" Yeah, Metroid Dread and Hollow Knight are both metroidvania games but both of them are going for different things and it's not useful to say "Dread is disappointing because it isn't like Hollow Knight.'
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Nov 4, 2021 20:32
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one of the worst reviews i ever read was a rockpapershotgun review which was more or less complaining the entire time that the game wasn't Ori and the Blind Forest instead
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Twelve by Pies posted:I feel like the problem is that SMT isn't very much like Persona at all. Starting with P3, Persona became more "high school life simulator where you make friends and date the cute girls" with a little bit of fighting monsters in dungeons, whereas SMT was never really like that (though I think the first two games did take place at a high school but there wasn't a life sim aspect to it). Starting with Nocturne, SMT has pretty much been "survival in a world of demons after the apocalypse." The first SMT takes place shortly before the apocalypse at the start, but part way through America nukes Japan due to the demon infestation. SMT 2 is entirely post-apocalyptic
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Andrast posted:are smt nerds just mad that people know what persona is, unlike smt theres a better comparion that even got a release recently on the same console called smt3, hwoever it might be asking a bit much to have reviewers who have played any of the otherh titles before they play a game with a big number 5 at the end.
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TwoHeadedDeer posted:the IGN review goes into a couple specific things from persona they would like to see (these two examples are about grinding and plot pace) "It takes upwards of 20 hours to find any personal motivation beyond survival and figuring out what's going on, and the companion characters are also very under-developed." is literlaly the design of smt. its What we LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Feels Villeneuve posted:one of the worst reviews i ever read was a rockpapershotgun review which was more or less complaining the entire time that the game wasn't Ori and the Blind Forest instead RPS was good for a while when it was the old UK PCZone/Gamer staff but it absolutely sucks now
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Nov 4, 2021 20:38
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god drat i love SMT
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Walla posted:I looked this up and I've looked at it before but I was worried it was going to be some cheap crap game. It's actually good? If we're ever on the same time zone and I happy to be on my switch hit me up at 5181-2261-0743. I'm always up for some Streets of Rage 4. Same goes to the rest of you folks. That or tetris effect. Whenever, wherever. I hope you guys enjoy it. It is pretty perfect and punching people doesn't get old. If you do like it, consider the DLC, it's only 8 bucks and it adds a ton of features to the game, especially the randomized survival mode if you feel like the story mode is getting stale on you. The Saddest Rhino posted:Also can attest streets of rage 4 is very good, I used to play with 100years but I got way too busy at work since Hell yeah. Those were good times.
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Stux posted:theres a better comparion that even got a release recently on the same console called smt3, hwoever it might be asking a bit much to have reviewers who have played any of the otherh titles before they play a game with a big number 5 at the end. It's a bad comparison because barely anyone played Nocturne so people don't know what what the gently caress you are talking about if you talk about it which is a shame since nocturne owns
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Quantum of Phallus posted:RPS was good for a while when it was the old UK PCZone/Gamer staff but it absolutely sucks now it was by one of the original RPS guys i think. they also had a pretty infamous review of Fallout: New Vegas, i dont think it was ever a very good site
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Nov 4, 2021 20:40
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Is there any chance of still being able to buy the N64 controllers, or are they all gone in this scalper-blasted hellscape?
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Andrast posted:It's a bad comparison because barely anyone played Nocturne so people don't know what what the gently caress you are talking about if you talk about it Persona is still pretty niche, so for the sake of accessibility I think SMTV reviews should focus on how it’s different from New Super Mario Bros.
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Nov 4, 2021 20:42
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Andrast posted:It's a bad comparison because barely anyone played Nocturne so people don't know what what the gently caress you are talking about if you talk about it its a good comparison because its the third smt game and theyre reviewing the fifth smt game. 4 and apoc would also be good to bring up. doing so might also stop you from making a complaint that something that has never existed in the series you are currently reviewing is "missing"
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Nov 4, 2021 20:42
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how much of the general audience even knows that persona and SMT are part of the same mega franchise
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New Switch owner here; got my OLED Tuesday. After giving it a couple days to get a feel for it, I'm thinking I need a grip. Any opinions on the Skull & Co. NeoGrip?
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Is there any chance of still being able to buy the N64 controllers, or are they all gone in this scalper-blasted hellscape? There's going to be more in 2022 Edit: that's according to the nintendo store website
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I think the best comparison to SMT5 would be comparing it to SMT5.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:RPS was good for a while when it was the old UK PCZone/Gamer staff but it absolutely sucks now yeah it was john walker who was a cofounder quote:The two games have a great deal in common, but Ori is just better in every element. And sure, that's an awkward critical path ("this game isn't as good as the best example of this genre"), but it starts to become a more imposing issue when the game in question appears to bring nothing new to the table. 
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I dunno I just think using comparisons so heavily is a lazy shortcut where you’re trying to use the readers knowledge to fill blanks because you don’t want to describe the thing in depth. Good for forum posts but bad for professional reviews
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Stux posted:its a good comparison because its the third smt game and theyre reviewing the fifth smt game. 4 and apoc would also be good to bring up. doing so might also stop you from making a complaint that something that has never existed in the series you are currently reviewing is "missing" do you think those reviewers are writing thos reviews for people who are already familiar with smt? all of those people are already buying the game, reviews or no
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Nov 4, 2021 20:47
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SMT is the Dark Souls of Persona
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Is there any chance of still being able to buy the N64 controllers, or are they all gone in this scalper-blasted hellscape? just wait for them to make more, they're not a limited-run thing
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Andrast posted:do you think those reviewers are writing thos reviews for people who are already familiar with smt? yeah they should instead be comparing it with another niche series which has a connection to smt that only RPG enthusiasts really know about also instead of comparing they should be complaining that niche series A isn't more like niche series B instead
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Andrast posted:do you think those reviewers are writing thos reviews for people who are already familiar with smt? you think theyre writing the reviews for people unfamiliar with smt but actually theyre writing the reviews as people unfamiliar with smt and whom lack an ability to produce purposeful critique. in summation shin megami tensei nocturne really makes you FEEL like demi fiend.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah they should instead be comparing it with another niche series which has a connection to smt that only RPG enthusiasts really know about lmao if you think Atlus isn't trying to get the persona audience into smt too
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Stux posted:you think theyre writing the reviews for people unfamiliar with smt but actually theyre writing the reviews as people unfamiliar with smt and whom lack an ability to produce purposeful critique. in summation shin megami tensei nocturne really makes you FEEL like demi fiend. there are like five people on the internet who care about "purposeful critique" in reviews instead of "should i buy this" you need to wait for the 1000 hour Tim rogers video for that, you're such a big fan of him
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listing from your shallow pool of experiences what games are or arent similiar to other games youve assumed they should be similiar to doesnt help anyone make a decision its just lazy writing that would get you an f in seconadary school.
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Andrast posted:lmao if you think Atlus isn't trying to get the persona audience into smt too If they were they'd probably try to add some Persona features into SMTV, which from I gather isn't really happening. Anyway, everything seems cut and dry to me. It's funny that reviewers who only know Persona are annoyed that SMT5 doesn't have Persona stuff because they're probably ignorant that Persona was a spinoff of SMT and SMT is its own thing. I can see why SMT fans find that good as a laugh, but I mean, Persona is also the easiest comparison to make with SMT since they're sibling franchises and more people have probably played a Persona game than a SMT game. Thus I don't understand why it's so terrible to compare Persona with SMT, as long as the reviewer actually knows what the hell they're talking about and thus can explain the differences and different appeals for SMT compared to Persona.
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Andrast posted:there are like five people on the internet who care about "purposeful critique" in reviews instead of "should i buy this" i think the number of people who want to find out of SMT5 is good is more than the number of people who care whether or not the reviewer likes SMT games or Persona games better
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah it was john walker who was a cofounder was this about dread or hollow knight? i mean lol either way
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b_d posted:was this about dread or hollow knight? i mean lol either way it was hollow knight. he also spent like half the review of Guacamelee complaining that boss fights in video games should be skippable
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Comparisons to Persona are also weird as gently caress because persona has so many elements of dating sims in it. It would be good to compare to from a combat/monster fusion perspective but not much else because that's where design similarities end. It would be like comparing the Binding of Isaac to Boyfriend Dungeon and complaining about the game missing something it was never intended to have.
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literally comparing it to Pokemon would probably be more helpful to like everyone concerned
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lol at people pretending smt and persona aren't very similar
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Mega64 posted:If they were they'd probably try to add some Persona features into SMTV, which from I gather isn't really happening. this
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Andrast posted:lol at people pretending smt and persona aren't very similar theyre not, which is why people who start with persona so often bounce off of literally any other part of the smt franchise.
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