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Mat Cauthon: Jan 2, 2006; The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Booooo. Give my dude Odric a good card, c'mon man.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:23

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# ? May 29, 2024 08:59

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I can't say how loving underwhelming this card seems at first glance. A loving travesty. They didn't have to do my man Odric like that.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:23

Big Ol Marsh Pussy: Jan 7, 2007

Pablo Nergigante posted:

When I was 17... it was a very good year
It was a very good year for high school dudes with mono black decks
Instead of having sex
I played GTA III
When I was 17

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:23

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I kinda wish this class of abilities had a name so that this, avacyn, and concerted effort all did the same thing.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:24

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:24

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

odric went from badass to the dude who brings the badass his blood sixpack

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:29

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

They waited until the last day FOR THIS?

I'm not even a lorehead but drat this is character assassination.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:29

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

*AVGN voice* What were they thinking?? I�d rather have Edgar shove a blood token up my rear end than play this lovely card

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:32

TheLawinator: Apr 13, 2012; Competence on the battlefield is a myth. The side which screws up next to last wins, it's as simple as that.

My hope is the commander decks they put out have a real cool Odric card in them.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:34

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

ngl i feel like people are treating blood tokens like they did food before eldraine actually came out (that is, really cold on something that ended up being solid in practice), but that's still a weird card especially because most of the blood cards we've seen are in black not white

my gut says he really should've at least come down and made X+1 blood tokens instead of X

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:34

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Pablo Nergigante posted:

*AVGN voice* What were they thinking?? I�d rather have Edgar shove a blood token up my rear end than play this lovely card

I just want you to know this was note-perfect. Thank you very much.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:35

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

TheLawinator posted:

My hope is the commander decks they put out have a real cool Odric card in them.

I hope so. This is a huge waste.

In one of the latest Resleevables they talk about how the flip Avacyn is one of the GOAT card designs because it was powerful, fun to play with/against, and also a home run in terms of telling a story and delivering the flavour of the set. This is like the exact opposite. It sucks, it's boring, and it doesn't even tell a cool story!! Odric got turned into a vampire and now he makes lovely tokens? gently caress you

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:37

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

fadam posted:

I hope so. This is a huge waste.

In one of the latest Resleevables they talk about how the flip Avacyn is one of the GOAT card designs because it was powerful, fun to play with/against, and also a home run in terms of telling a story and delivering the flavour of the set. This is like the exact opposite. It sucks, it's boring, and it doesn't even tell a cool story!! Odric got turned into a vampire and now he makes lovely tokens? gently caress you

fadam posted:

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:40

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

HootTheOwl posted:

This is worse than any of the werewolves and zombies imo.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:42

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

lmao that they don't even give odric any of those abilities so you'd at least get some blood tokens.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:56

th3t00t: Aug 14, 2007; GOOD CLEAN FOOTBALL

So my buddy who lives 10 minutes away received his Phyrexian Praetors secret lair today. I checked on mine and they still just say "Validated", no shipping info...

# ? Nov 4, 2021 21:57

Mat Cauthon: Jan 2, 2006; The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.

Sickening posted:

I can't say how loving underwhelming this card seems at first glance. A loving travesty. They didn't have to do my man Odric like that.

It's so disappointing. Dude doesn't even get a keyword and that keyword count ability is almost always lovely. Could've been something like:

"When Odric ETB, choose a keyword ability.

Whenever Odric attacks, create a Blood token.

Sacrifice a Blood token: Creatures you control gain [Insert chosen keyword ability here] until end of turn."

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:05

TotalHell: Feb 22, 2005; _{Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.}

Wow Odric sucks now.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:24

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

TotalHell posted:

Wow Odric sucks now.

He's a vampire, it's all on theme.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:25

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

I never cared about Odric :smugmrgw:

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:25

Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Received my Praetor Secret Lair in the mail today, the special card is a foil version of the Phyrexian swamp from Jumpstart.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:26

Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008

I like how that Odric preview dropped into the thread during a discussion about how cards were turning into giant walls of uninteresting words

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:30

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

from the weekly mtg stream

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:33

AngryBooch: Sep 26, 2009

flatluigi posted:

from the weekly mtg stream

They've tied Maro up in an office chair and are printing this card while he kicks and screams

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:36

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

TotalHell posted:

Wow Odric sucks now.

...now?

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:41

Tom Clancy is Dead: Jul 13, 2011

I'm having a hard time conceptualizing the value of a blood token.

It's way worse than a draw, or a loot. It's way worse than a rummage because you have to pay the mana, but you do get to choose to rummage later if you don't have anything you currently want to discard. Rummage is better than a scry 1, though it doesn't stack as well as scry X. Without synergy, maybe the blood token is a bit worse than scry 1, ~1/4th to 1/5th the value of "draw a card"? It's influenced by the spread of value of the cards within a game state, which can be aggregated to the spread of values between cards for a matchup, and aggregated again to a metagame.

Rummage for 1 takes Thrill of Possibility from a bad but probably sometimes playable card (R - instant - draw 1) to a mediocre and played one (1R - instant - ~rummage 1 draw 1). Getting that without having to pay for the cycling is good. Getting it without casting a spell is can be quite bad - you lose cast triggers and most of the ways to copy it for CA. Being a token permanent and artifact is good.

GY synergies have mostly moved from "you want this in your GY" to "it's not so bad to have this in your GY" in current Standard. This means that you're generally getting maybe ~1/2 "draw a card" for discarding the right cards instead of >1 "draw a card". Dead cards in a matchup still give a full card, but there's probably less of them these days.

The meaningful blood token synergies are Bloodtithe Harvester, Voldaren Bloodcaster, and Falkenwrath Forebear. Maaaaaybe Sanguine Statuette.

If you lean into the synergies, maybe you can get a blood token up to ~1/3 to 1/2 a "draw a card" of value?

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:42

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

AngryBooch posted:

They've tied Maro up in an office chair and are printing this card while he kicks and screams

It's mentor of the Meek

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:42

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

AngryBooch posted:

They've tied Maro up in an office chair and are printing this card while he kicks and screams

please stop being weird about maro

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:48

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

HootTheOwl posted:

It's mentor of the Meek

maro fuckin haaaaaaaates Mentor of the Meek because he thinks white shouldn't get to draw cards ever, google

code:

mentor of the meek  site:https://markrosewater.tumblr.com

to get a taste of the insanity

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183794563223/if-mentor-of-the-meek-is-a-break-in-white-would-a

though it seems the rest of dev has finally talked some sense into him OR hogtied him and left him in a ditch, and that's why white has finally gotten some looks at card draw recently

flatluigi posted:

please stop being weird about maro

no don't

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:49

Tom Clancy is Dead: Jul 13, 2011

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I'm having a hard time conceptualizing the value of a blood token.

Hmm but Deliberate is probably worse than Thrill of Possibility, despite being scry 2 which is better than 2x scry 1. Thrill of Possibility is probably more on par with Curate and maybe even better than that?

I'm still confused.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:51

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Quite possibly the worst rare in the set.

flatluigi posted:

from the weekly mtg stream

Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 4, 2021

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:52

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

Lone Goat posted:

maro fuckin haaaaaaaates Mentor of the Meek because he thinks white shouldn't get to draw cards ever, google
code:
mentor of the meek  site:[url]https://markrosewater.tumblr.com[/url]
to get a taste of the insanity

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183794563223/if-mentor-of-the-meek-is-a-break-in-white-would-a

though it seems the rest of dev has finally talked some sense into him OR hogtied him and left him in a ditch, and that's why white has finally gotten some looks at card draw recently

no don't

yeah dude he absolutely hates it, feel the anger

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:53

AngryBooch: Sep 26, 2009

flatluigi posted:

please stop being weird about maro

Sorry Mark, just kidding.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:54

The Human Crouton: Sep 20, 2002

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Someone is going to build a deck that does nothing for 8 turns and then does something cute with this, but overall it's a bad card.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 22:57

vegetables: Mar 10, 2012

�While you have a blood token, cards in your hand have Cycling 1� was a useful shortcut I read for conceptualising its value. That makes it seem a lot better somehow

# ? Nov 4, 2021 23:00

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

AngryBooch posted:

Sorry Mark, just kidding.

someone asking you not to be weird shouldn't be your cue to double down

# ? Nov 4, 2021 23:00

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

flatluigi posted:

yeah dude he absolutely hates it, feel the anger

lol if you can't feel the anger steaming off that post

# ? Nov 4, 2021 23:01

Fantastic Foreskin: Jan 6, 2013; A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.