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I feel a covers bonerjam brewing here
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yeah Pollyanna's cover slaps hard. put that poo poo in the OP or somethin
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Nov 3, 2021 13:41
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My Lovely Horse posted:I feel a covers bonerjam brewing here Would be so so down
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Nov 3, 2021 13:47
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toadee posted:Would be so so down 
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Nov 3, 2021 16:12
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toadee posted:Would be so so down 
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Nov 3, 2021 16:16
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 goons helping gooooooooooonsThank you so much for all the positive feedback!!! B33rChiller posted:Yo, this was a great effort and joyous result. Keep it up! Woah, modular - been a bit wary of diving into that, but software should be fine (and cheap). I know basically nothing about it, so I can't tell if the progression is generated or if it's manually input. If it's the former, bit hard to talk about the melody since it's just up to the computer  I like the spin on the core musical idea starting around 1:24, one of the coolest things I've seen done in tracks is to "echo" an idea with some sort of offset, like in Piano Phase. I'm not sure if that's exactly what you were going for there, but the offset track can sound really good if you differentiate it from the original somehow! e.g. by panning it, reducing the volume, or some other combination. 1:54 is also cool - it adds some emphasis to the off-beat that could work particularly well if it was represented as a different instrument. One that cuts in to add emphasis to something that's otherwise not hinted at by the rest of the composition (I think? I'm a noob). That adds enough variety and unexpected results that can still be identified as a pattern. 2:44 with its high pass (right?) makes it sound like '30s era low-fi, almost Cuphead-ish. Kind of like a demented trumpet or sax or tuba or something.Then once it starts sounding closer to an electric guitar at the end, that's cool. I'd totally use that as an instrument in something after fiddling with ADSR 'n stuff! The swing(?) on the PO at the end also sounds dope. I'd totally mix that with the low-fi effect and make some sorta 70s era jazz fuckery. Martytoof posted:You knocked this OUT of the PARK! Holy moly. This is the content I needed after a crappy start to the work week. Not trying to BS you, it's super amazing to see someone diligently apply themselves to figure out a thing and have a ton of fun doing it, publicly! Tyty so much  quote:This was such an amazing idea you guys. I'm in a serious creative rut where nothing I make sounds good, my sampling is just me bonking keys and saying "meh" and a general lack of creativity is really slowing my development, mixed with growing guilt that I'm doing nothing with my GAS-induced pile of electronics. What I'm going to say is not in ANY way intended to diminish what Pollyanna achieved: I'm going to really mimic the approach that led to their creation and just try to remove my songwriting "inspiration" from the mix by covering something I already like in a new and creative way. poo poo, I don't mind at all. I actually think people should take inspiration from others, including both what they actually produce and the workflow+techniques they use. I don't like it when people say "oh don't do what XYZ artist does, you'll just sound like them" - what's the problem with that? Their stuff sounds good! Why not analyze it? And those people miss the fact that they themselves took inspiration from others, as did their idols and their idols' idols. The reality is that all music today is a result of standing on the shoulders of giants, which are themselves just a bunch of humans standing on each other all the way down. Sure, if you want to produce something unique and particular to yourself it's a good idea to iterate meaningfully. But for learning, practice, and exercise, there's nothing wrong with imitation and remixing. quote:Or heck, not even new and creative -- just figuring out how to make it sound good to me, whether that's close to the original or a new take. Figuring out how to make something sound cool is much easier when I don't have the added burden of trying to come up with a song to tie it together, which is ultimately what always puts me off. I'm not a good songwriter so I get frustrated very easily which leads to less time with my gear which means I'm not building critical muscle memory which means when I AM in the mood to create something I am constantly struggling with my gear which I don't know how to make sound like I want. An amazing circle of frustration A bit of advice here: covers are good for trying to understand what something does (and, ideally, learning why). But for creativity and exploration, remixing - taking independent ideas from something and warping/reorganizing them in some way - is at least a lot more fun. I originally started out by just straight-up covering the song in the original Puyo Puyo soundfont. That wasn't engaging at all, and I ended up in a rut pretty drat quickly. The end result took a different tack entirely - I made an unordered grab bag of tiny 2-bar musical ideas from the song, then tracked/sequenced them in a way that sounded decent to my ears. Only once I built up that librarby of parts did I start making something interesting. Way I see it, music composition is more like sculpting marble or drawing a map than it is painting or writing. There's something good hidden in there, you just have to tease it out and go in interesting (not necessarily new) directions to find it. Everyone says "oh just express yourself!!" but that's not what I do at all - I'm helping the music express itself instead. I just drew a map for it. I think that's more engaging and fun than starting with a blank page. A lot more accessible, too!
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Agreed posted:holy Daaaag that's a lot more detail than I expected. Which is good! I need a touchstone to start building a workflow off of, so the more the better. The whole thing is great (way more than I can respond to right now tho), but in particular, this: Agreed posted:Speaking of, EQ is so important. I use a lot of EQs (I prefer Neve emulations for shelving EQs, and IKMM and Black Rooster Neve type plugins are both on this track a lot). But to tame spikes and prevent material from being too spiky without overcompressing the whole thing, I like dynamic EQ. Personally, I am a huge fan of GlissEQ by Voxengo. I love its graphical presentation, love its filter types, love its dynamic behavior (helps to make EQ changes program-dependent, which can be really useful in keeping the character of a sound but reducing certain elements carefully). If my stuff sounds smoother it's because GlissEQ lets me not just hear but see where frequency spikes are occurring and address them easily in the context of the mix - it can even show multiple tracks' spectra overlaid, so you can see "oh, this one's really peaking at the same time as that one in that frequency range, maybe I could cut that and see if it gels better" (etc.) is something I need to build up. We don't have a music composition or a mixing/music production thread, so this is my blind spot. Sure, I could load up these FX chains, but I don't know what to do with them other than "haha peak go down" or "haha noise go woom (woom (woom (woom)))". It helps a lot to explain why something is done!
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Nov 3, 2021 16:41
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLA5s0P3KEA Oh my goodness this is sick.
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Nov 3, 2021 17:44
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That guy's videos keep popping up in my recommendations and I can't get over how fun it looks to run a guitar through the sp-404. Shame my gimpy wrists can't really handle playing anymore. This one is pretty neat too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8e6SP1qt4g
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Nov 3, 2021 18:01
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Wow, Pollyanna, you put more thought andeffort into your analysis than I did in creating that. I used a neat sequencer called ions for the pitch and an emulation of grids to generate the rhythm in vcv rack. Sent that via midi to a semi modular monosynth fed through an Amazon compressor pedal, a sub n up octaver, and a cheap metal distortion pedal. I just randomized the knobs on ions and hit go. Then I fiddled with knobs to see what happens. My actual key playing skills are still very very beginner, but I am learning. Getting lots of practice in. ETA a video showing a bit of my messing aroundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJqPI2foVo0 and the recording https://soundcloud.com/beer-chiller/3nov?si=bd1d3da06dff4b72a8f0fd998ec0f864 B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 20:52
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so uhhh...what’s the deal with this new MiniKORG?
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Nov 4, 2021 00:04
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IDK but check out the Korg rep from Yuzo Koshiro. https://twitter.com/yuzokoshiro/status/1453385441470607366?s=21 
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Nov 4, 2021 20:52
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korg opsus amogus
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Nov 4, 2021 21:59
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Pollyanna posted:IDK but check out the Korg rep from Yuzo Koshiro. All those synths he has to be a rep. :ducks:
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Nov 4, 2021 22:05
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He could at least do some patch demos then!!!!!!!!! For content: the more I play with my Volca Drum, the more I realize I have no idea how to make percussive patches. Kicks are simple, one layer of a quick attack quick release noise, and one layer of a long release bass oscillator. Hi-hats are just the noise per, with some difference in release. Snares and toms, I have no idea. Anything else I basically don’t know even exists. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 22:24
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toms are just kicks but smaller 
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Nov 4, 2021 23:24
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Snares are a short transient square wave w/ noise, but you make the square atonal w/ off ration FM or something. Toms are that w/ less noise and more tonality (and usually a deeper core). Claps are really cool, sort of a burst generator and noise. Filtering noise differently or using different noise types (e.g. red v white) lets you get different things on the clap - shaker - hi hat spectrum. Synth secrets has great segments on this, and another good place to go is people doing teardowns of 808s/909s.
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Nov 4, 2021 23:24
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Any tonal aspect of a drum sound has got a pitch envelope bending it down. Start and end pitch and the curve and time between them make all the difference. Maybe that's obvious, but no one mentioned it, so there. Don't know if you can still download drumatic 3 anywhere or if it will work in renoise, but it's a good plugin to get a grasp on the basics.
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Nov 5, 2021 00:08
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JamesKPolk posted:Snares are a short transient square wave w/ noise, but you make the square atonal w/ off ration FM or something. Toms are that w/ less noise and more tonality (and usually a deeper core). for really good claps you want to have multiple amp envelopes cascading down so instead of a single short burst of noise its four (or more!!) closely spaced bursts and for the really really good claps you want a fifth noise layer with a long tail to emulate reverb. edit: anyways im gonna reiterate that the 01/IV is the best modern drum synth out there and its all over this track /flex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAKkbQv6HtI Mr. Sharps fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Nov 5, 2021 00:36
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Mr. Sharps posted:for really good claps you want to have multiple amp envelopes cascading down so instead of a single short burst of noise its four (or more!!) closely spaced bursts and for the really really good claps you want a fifth noise layer with a long tail to emulate reverb. Burst generator as in it generates a burst of triggers https://learningmodular.com/glossary/burst-generator/ Though I will say I have been very surprised with how much I was able to do with the right noise and the right single envelope. Its not a real (synth) clap or a snare but it did a lot more work than I expected
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Nov 5, 2021 01:55
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Flipperwaldt posted:Any tonal aspect of a drum sound has got a pitch envelope bending it down. Start and end pitch and the curve and time between them make all the difference. Maybe that's obvious, but no one mentioned it, so there. It sounds very fake but interesting to do the opposite sometimes. Gives you kind of a faux tabla thing. Up there with like gated reverb though for you hearing it and thinking "thats not a real instrument"
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Nov 5, 2021 01:57
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Fortunately one of the envelope options on the Volca Drum is a burst generator.
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Nov 5, 2021 02:05
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JamesKPolk posted:Burst generator as in it generates a burst of triggers ah yes ofc ofc. though now im thinking of how you'd patch up a burst generator. two independent S&H signals going into a comparator with a decaying offset would be the first way i'd try, but my modular is currently set up for a track so someone else is going to have to try instead
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Mr. Sharps posted:ah yes ofc ofc. though now im thinking of how you'd patch up a burst generator. two independent S&H signals going into a comparator with a decaying offset would be the first way i'd try, but my modular is currently set up for a track so someone else is going to have to try instead
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Nov 5, 2021 03:59
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B33rChiller posted:I pick the module from count modula that sez "burst generator" on it. Emulation is lovely. I had no idea they were used for claps! I've just been using it for ratcheting. oh yeah realistically thats what i'd do. i think out of the three things that count as "envelope generators" in my case all of them have a mode that works as an envelope triggered by a burst generator, but its fun to think about how to patch those sorts of things up from less complex parts, and i find doing those sorts of exercises is very useful for triggering bursts (ho hoho) of inspiration
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i started working on a drum machine patcher patch mostly for the fun of it a while back when practicing digital drum synthesis here’s a thing i made with it https://soundcloud.com/all-caps-rin/idmwip
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Nov 5, 2021 11:10
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Is it still GAS if you work for the company and they give you gear? I'd argue not because you probably have a use for all of it.
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Nov 5, 2021 13:42
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Oh wow, I didn’t know the 808 was analog synthesis. I guess the Drum is closer to the 808 than I thought! Thanks for the percussion advice - that reminder about Synth Secrets is particularly important, wish it came in book form or that I at least had an iPad to read it on or something. I’ll finally try to work through that thing!!!
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Nov 5, 2021 13:49
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One way of doing a Snare Drum: https://voca.ro/17wfHFNNt9Pk
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I could figure out what exactly is happening there but it just seems like such a pain in the rear end. Great drum though!
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Nov 5, 2021 15:05
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No joke, you can follow those old Nord modular tutorials with something else and still get really great results. They're crammed full of all sorts of synth secrets you can use with other synths too. https://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html snorch fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Nov 5, 2021 17:58
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Pollyanna posted:Oh wow, I didn’t know the 808 was analog synthesis. I guess the Drum is closer to the 808 than I thought! Someone created a pdf from it, so if you search for that and your e-reader can handle pdf, try that. I sincerely hope the 56K DSP team does the Nord Modular next. You can theoretically do a lot of those patches already in VCV Rack, but the Nord Modular is a special digital beast.
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Nov 5, 2021 21:50
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toadee posted:One way of doing a Snare Drum: more computing power in that one patch than in the average drummer's mind
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The Voice of Labor posted:more computing power in that one patch than in the average drummer's mind It is a very nice drum. What is that, Plog Bidule? I used to love the old weekly article in the DC city paper that always had the drummer jokes. They were merciless.
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Nov 5, 2021 22:34
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Mood for today: I love those little Melodica keys!
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Nov 5, 2021 22:35
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petit choux posted:It is a very nice drum. Nord Modular G1, I’ve used it nearly every day since I bought it new in 1998.
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toadee posted:Nord Modular G1, I’ve used it nearly every day since I bought it new in 1998. This is so cool
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Agreed posted:This is so cool I really can’t understand why they haven’t revived the Nord Modular stuff in a euro rack format. Like imagine putting a modular inside your modular with a ton of cv jacks.
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I just arranged to buy a local 8U 19” studio equipment rack for my S3000XL to live in. Those empty 6U will haunt me though.
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You can always fill it up with utilities like patch bays power supply, pull out drawer for tools, cable organizer etc Edit and get a rompler too imo
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