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Haven't seen Eternals yet but my reading of the basic synopsis is that it seems to be more natural that the Deviants are oppressed good guys and the Eternals and the Celestials are the bad guys keeping them down. I know that's not the comics lore but that's what the story set up suggests to me. And if that's not the story, the Eternals are just good guys waiting for the threat they're supposed to punch and laser, it seems a bit...boring?
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Mat Cauthon posted:Alfie Allen is great, that guy deserves to get way more work. Richard Madden was decent in the Elton John thing. I love that his sister made a pop song that shamed him so deeply he became a good actor
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Nov 5, 2021 07:35
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Alan Smithee posted:He also made a rape joke at comic con which was uhh Presumably in english, though?
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Nov 5, 2021 07:58
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Mr. Apollo posted:lol I just found out that Firpo is the last name of one of the screenwriters and not an Eternal. I feel bad for the guy(and his cousin who also wrote it). Ive worked with Matt before and hes genuinely a talented and cool guy and this was his first big Hollywood screenplay. He's like Zhao where he comes from pretty "outside the norm" for these types of movies. From what I understand from things hes said too is that this script was actually not originally an MCU movie and they adapted a broader concept he had written into fitting with Eternals, kind of like Die Hard 3. Zhao also is credited as a writer and she said she reworked the original script as well and to fit her style more. In general theres definitely a lot of too much going on and clashing and it seems obvious why.
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Nov 5, 2021 08:01
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Now I desperately want an MCU take on the Die Hard 3 plot. Gotta include Nick Fury, too. Running to answer ringing payphones in New York to stop Adam Warlock from robbing the Federal Reserve.
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Nov 5, 2021 08:10
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Is moebius guaranteed MCU? I really don’t care for Jared Leto
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Nov 5, 2021 08:20
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Alan Smithee posted:Is moebius guaranteed MCU? I really don’t care for Jared Leto The film Morbius exists in Sony's Spider-Man Universe, which at last check was part of the Marvel Multiverse (but not Earth-19999, the Marvel Cinematic Universe).
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Nov 5, 2021 09:36
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Alan Smithee posted:Is moebius guaranteed MCU? I really don’t care for Jared Leto If it were, would this development lessen your enjoyment of I dunno, rewatching guardians of the galaxy, or make using your avengers lunchbox give you a poorly tummy?
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Nov 5, 2021 10:11
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garycoleisgod posted:Haven't seen Eternals yet but my reading of the basic synopsis is that it seems to be more natural that the Deviants are oppressed good guys and the Eternals and the Celestials are the bad guys keeping them down. I'm probably the millionth guy to point this out but it's p. funny that for all the noise around the LGBT/PoC rep they didn't bother to change the Iron Dream-tier detail of calling the bad guys "Deviants".
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Nov 5, 2021 11:25
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garycoleisgod posted:Haven't seen Eternals yet but my reading of the basic synopsis is that it seems to be more natural that the Deviants are oppressed good guys and the Eternals and the Celestials are the bad guys keeping them down. major spoiler this is literally what's going on, you read it correctly even more major spoiler the eternals themselves are actually the much worse bad guys, but some of them decide to be good guys, but the deviants are just written to be bad guys so they get genocided
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Nov 5, 2021 11:29
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Mr. Apollo posted:Jason Momoa said in an interview that after GoT he couldn’t get work. He said he later found out that most people assumed he didn’t speak any English due to his GoT role. Conan was released around the same time as GoT. He wasn't good in it, the movie was even worse, and it bombed terribly. That might have had something to do with it too.
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Nov 5, 2021 11:47
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man gently caress Kingo, we could have had VAMPIRO the eternal https://thedirect.com/article/eternals-thor-marvel-superhero-vampiro "... from the beginning, I think that they... just liked the idea of having a dozen. It's a nice number, and so they were kind of pushing that. And we were saying 'that's quite a lot of people that we've never met before.'... but they were just like let's try it, and so we did it for one draft, and the very first thing they were like 'okay, let's only have ten'... One of them was Vampiro, who was a favorite of producer Nate Moore..."
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Nov 5, 2021 12:14
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Gee, I wonder what his deal is! 
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Nov 5, 2021 12:18
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ynohtna posted:Gee, I wonder what his deal is! Despite the name he's not a vampire, he's a vampire-themed pro-wrestler.
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garycoleisgod posted:Haven't seen Eternals yet but my reading of the basic synopsis is that it seems to be more natural that the Deviants are oppressed good guys and the Eternals and the Celestials are the bad guys keeping them down. The film kinda gestures in that direction but doesn’t really follow through with it, unfortunately
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Nov 5, 2021 14:09
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I got a Ultron feel from the Deviant and it was poorly written then too
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Nov 5, 2021 14:12
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Necrothatcher posted:Despite the name he's not a vampire, he's a vampire-themed pro-wrestler.  Somehow, that's even better! :lmbo:
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Nov 5, 2021 14:17
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yoooooo what the gently caress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfox_(comics)#Allegations_of_sexual_assault
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ynohtna posted:Gee, I wonder what his deal is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXRy1rik0
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Nov 5, 2021 14:21
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Alan Smithee posted:yoooooo what the gently caress Yeah, the writer of the series was creepily possessive of She-Hulk, making most of her sexual encounters over the years the result of mind control or alternate reality versions of her. Some comic writers get pretty bad about the characters they read a lot of as teenagers. Just look at how many relationships Kitty Pryde has had in the last 15 years.
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Nov 5, 2021 14:34
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KVeezy3 posted:Uh huh, and what's your scientific study that counters https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101, which notes that the drugged up non-exercising group built up roughly double the muscle mass of the natural group who exercised?
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Alan Smithee posted:I got a Ultron feel from the Deviant and it was poorly written then too it really has no idea what it wants to do with the Deviants beyond the level of "well, they were a big part of the source material and we need something for the heroes to fight in the first two acts." if the film was attempting to subvert depicting the Deviants as mindless beasts for the first 90 minutes or so by having one of them become sentient, that development should have some actual narrative and thematic weight attached, especially given what the actual central conflict of the film turns out to be. but instead Kro becomes just another underwritten and largely extraneous secondary antagonist Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Barry Convex posted:it really has no idea what it wants to do with the Deviants beyond the level of "well, they were a big part of the source material and we need something for the heroes to fight in the first two acts." if the film was attempting to subvert depicting the Deviants as mindless beasts for the first 90 minutes or so of the film by having one of them become sentient, that development should have some actual narrative and thematic weight attached, especially given what the actual central conflict of the film turns out to be. but instead Kro becomes just another underwritten and largely extraneous secondary antagonist This just sounds like a hacky version of Captain Marvel's plot, which itself was just sort of there.
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gently caress it was like shades of Prometheus all over again
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Barry Convex posted:it really has no idea what it wants to do with the Deviants beyond the level of "well, they were a big part of the source material and we need something for the heroes to fight in the first two acts." if the film was attempting to subvert depicting the Deviants as mindless beasts for the first 90 minutes or so of the film by having one of them become sentient, that development should have some actual narrative and thematic weight attached, especially given what the actual central conflict of the film turns out to be. but instead Kro becomes just another underwritten and largely extraneous secondary antagonist I was hoping they could start to try and work with the Deviants considering. Upon further consideration it would have been cool if they could combine their powers and achieve the Unimind through the sentient Deviant as he already absorbed two of them. Just have him figure out a way to use his whips to channel them all without killing them.
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sean10mm posted:This just sounds like a hacky version of Captain Marvel's plot, which itself was just sort of there. nah, Captain Marvel was not one of the MCU's better films IMO, but at least the plot actually followed through on the idea that the "evil" alien race were really the victims. Eternals just pays lip service to that idea in a few lines and doesn't really do anything with it, which is baffling given that it would fit quite well into the overall plot of the Eternals' purpose being a lie and the Celestials being the actual bad guys Simulation883 posted:I was hoping they could start to try and work with the Deviants considering. Upon further consideration it would have been cool if they could combine their powers and achieve the Unimind through the sentient Deviant as he already absorbed two of them. Just have him figure out a way to use his whips to channel them all without killing them. agreed, the third act should have done something like this imo
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Felt like the Kree were being built up in Captain Marvel as a next-gen threat, but it hasn't been picked up again that I know of.
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josh04 posted:Felt like the Kree were being built up in Captain Marvel as a next-gen threat, but it hasn't been picked up again that I know of. Not really, we know that by the time of the first Guardians movie, their empire has fallen and Ronan is the only Kree left with any fight in him.
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Nov 5, 2021 16:53
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Hm, wonder if there's a good experience to be had watching them in that sequence.
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Nov 5, 2021 16:54
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Grendels Dad posted:Not really, we know that by the time of the first Guardians movie, their empire has fallen and Ronan is the only Kree left with any fight in him. I wouldn't say that. All we know in Guardians is that the Kree decided to sign a peace treaty with Xandar, and Ronan wasn't on board with it. And then there's "Fury's" aside to "Hill" in Far From Home about Kree sleeper cells on Earth. The Kree definitely available as an antagonistic force if they want to use them imo.
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Nov 5, 2021 17:03
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The Kree were regular antagonists in Agents of SHIELD, for what it's worth.
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Nov 5, 2021 17:15
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lore theory: Sersi IS Doctor Minerva
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Nov 5, 2021 17:17
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Who Shot Kingo Vance
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Alan Smithee posted:He also made a rape joke at comic con which was uhh Which was uhhhh what? Should Jason Momoa get kicked out of Hollywood because of a comment he made 10 years ago? Should I not go see Dune? Did any of his co-workers complain about his behavior? Exactly what should I do with this information? I want to know what the point of this endless "so and so did a bad thing" moral scolding poo poo is. Can somebody explain it to me?
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I know that reading a Wikipedia plot synopsis can have this kind of effect but goddamn does Eternals sound like a series of plot points with no actual story. I don’t know how they fit all that into the runtime. I bet nothing feels like it has room to breathe.
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howe_sam posted:I wouldn't say that. All we know in Guardians is that the Kree decided to sign a peace treaty with Xandar, and Ronan wasn't on board with it. I can't remember, was there any purpose to Fury's plotline in that movie that paid off in the actual film? Or was it just a weird twist / sideplot/ setup for its own sake? edit: VV well I mean aside from his usual quest giver status. The whole Skrull thing Ror fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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His purpose was to make Spider-Man fully a cop
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Conan was released around the same time as GoT. He wasn't good in it, the movie was even worse, and it bombed terribly. That might have had something to do with it too. it was such a bad movie that no one remembered and Mr Momoa never suffered for it. Especially when contrasted with early GOT which took over the internet. Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Some comic writers get pretty bad about the characters they read a lot of as teenagers. Just look at how many relationships Kitty Pryde has had in the last 15 years. loling at the fact that you did waifu wars at the job. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Ror posted:I can't remember, was there any purpose to Fury's plotline in that movie that paid off in the actual film? Or was it just a weird twist / sideplot/ setup for its own sake? It had no bearing on the movie at all -- though I suppose you could argue it explains why Fury feels like he's on the back foot the entire movie. In fact, I'm not even sure Colbie Smulders knew she technically wasn't playing Hill.
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Ror posted:I can't remember, was there any purpose to Fury's plotline in that movie that paid off in the actual film? Or was it just a weird twist / sideplot/ setup for its own sake? They set up that Fury is doing vague space stuff for as of yet unknown reasons.
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