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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Goldfish is not a good representation of metagames because they use the 5-0/6-0 results WOTC publishes, which are designed to show artificial diversity. holy poo poo, living end became good again? oh, with $500 worth of new cards from modern horizons. lmao A Moose fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:As with the Ozolith, the ability puts an identical set of counters on the target, using last-known information. By the time the ability triggers, Parish-Blade Trainee has no counters on it as it has changed zones. 122.8. If a triggered ability instructs a player to put one object’s counters on another object and that ability’s trigger condition or effect checks that the object with those counters left the battlefield, the player doesn’t move counters from one object to the other. Rather, the player puts the same number of each kind of counter the first object had onto the second object.
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Nov 5, 2021 21:05
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AngryBooch posted:New Lair featuring Brooklyn Art collective MSCHF? MSCHF do good work, this included. Monday every two weeks they do a 'drop', so wonder if this guy jumped the gun and beat an announcement this Monday.
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Nov 5, 2021 21:09
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:WOTC did a thing with Pioneer where they left the meta dominated by combos for long enough that everyone who wasn't interested in that left, and then banned combos repeatedly so everyone who was interested in that also left. The experiment with letting the format evolve organically but with aggressive bans showed why having a concept of who and what formats are for is valuable. 
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A Moose posted:I mean it's pretty self explanatory. I don't play modern or legacy or vintage because it might be fun, but it's nowhere near fun enough to justify the price tag. Standard frequently blows, but at least you can play it with cards you get from drafting. They need to shake up the modern metagame more often, so that people have to replace entire decks every year and the price to get into eternal formats comes down to standard levels. They could make a modern horizons set every year! They could put in cards that specifically poo poo all over the cards they printed last year! They could add another rarity above mythic that is just reserved for Karns or Urzas and also Squire or whatever so that it only LOOKS like they're increasing the supply of in-demand cards and draws more people in! They did hire pros to playtest MH2, and the result is probably one of the best Modern Formats. The best decks keep shifting, because the format has not stopped evolving; it's glorious.
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Nov 5, 2021 22:03
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pioneer didn’t die because of specific ban decisions, it died because it was always a bad idea for a format. the combination of set cutoff and banning fetches meant that it explicitly excluded most of the cool things people like to do in eternal formats and it didn’t actually create an affordable format because magic cards keep getting less affordable every day.
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Nov 5, 2021 22:13
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pioneer died because it was introduced right before everyone shifted to arena because of the pandemic and I think it'll get resuscitated when it ends up on arena as its paper extended format just like brawl did, especially with historic becoming more and more like arena legacy
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Nov 5, 2021 22:18
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How about instead of trying to figure out ways to make people who don't want to play with fetches happy. I dunno, like making lands better than fetches.
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I really think they've gone crazy pants with Historic specifically because they want to make room for a Historic/Pioneer/Standard split that provides three very different feeling formats. It'll take some time, no doubt, but I believe them when they say Pioneer on Arena is coming, and they expect to support it fully.
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Nov 5, 2021 22:25
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Both the LGSes near me have said that they have a tough time getting people to show up for pioneer. But modern is super popular
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Nov 5, 2021 22:28
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An untyped dual land that comes into play untapped and scry X on ETB. What is the X that makes it playable over fetches in Modern (in decks that aren't intentionally taking damage).
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Huxley posted:I really think they've gone crazy pants with Historic specifically because they want to make room for a Historic/Pioneer/Standard split that provides three very different feeling formats. It'll take some time, no doubt, but I believe them when they say Pioneer on Arena is coming, and they expect to support it fully. yeah, from chat from the devs this is the idea I just wish standard releases were coming a bit slower so they had more time to build and implement the pioneer backfill sets
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Nov 5, 2021 22:31
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Huxley posted:An untyped dual land that comes into play untapped and scry X on ETB. Scry 60
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Nov 5, 2021 22:36
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:pioneer didn’t die because of specific ban decisions, it died because it was always a bad idea for a format. the combination of set cutoff and banning fetches meant that it explicitly excluded most of the cool things people like to do in eternal formats and it didn’t actually create an affordable format because magic cards keep getting less affordable every day. Pioneer was getting extremely big where I was at, but then COVID happened.
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I used to be a pioneer player like you. Then I took a covid in the knee
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DangerDongs posted:Pioneer was getting extremely big where I was at, but then COVID happened. ah poo poo I guess I’m wrong about pioneer being dead while other non rotating formats you can’t play on arena thrive
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I can understand the logic of thinking that, if the aftermarket for a set of modern/vintage/etc. staples is absurdly expensive, you could erode the value and therefore lower the market price for cards generally by making no card have long-lasting value in any format. However, that is a case of killing the patient in order to cure the disease. If you want to lower the aftermarket price of a card that is highly in-demand, it's easy to just print more of that card. However, making a habit of attacking high aftermarket prices by reprinting is loudly and directly assaulting the "investor class" of your customers: the ones who speculate on card value. And probably Wizards regards that set of customers to be far too valuable to piss off. As an economic decision, it is probably correct for Wizards to continue to allow various formats to cost absurd amounts of money and therefore be prohibitive for the majority of its players to participate in, as a tradeoff for its game continuing to be regarded as a "collectors" game where if you just buy lots of cards and keep them for years you'll possibly make a huge profit on them. Exploitative, sure. So are lottery tickets and casinos, but those are profitable ventures as well. As much as it may irk folks to see a format they can't afford to play, and to see the source of those unaffordable cards being the people who actually won that lottery and wound up with profitable investments taking their profits directly from gamers who just want to play a game: that situation is, at least presently, intrinsic to the CCG business model.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:ah poo poo I guess I’m wrong about pioneer being dead while other non rotating formats you can’t play on arena thrive You don't think it possibly has anything to do with, I dunno, those other formats having a chance to exist for more than mere months before a world pandemic obliterated it? People had to time to be invested in those other formats before the world came to a halt, and the only thing Wizards has done since the pandemic to even mention the format's existence was to create pre-cons for it. It's not rocket science to see why a format, good or bad, would die under these circumstance. Modern would have gone the exact same way if it had to live through Covid right after its inception. You didn't like it, because it didn't fetches, but looots of people did for that very reason. Sorry you can't fondle your deck 10 times a game.
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Nov 6, 2021 00:41
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Y’all getting creepy with your grudge posting.
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DangerDongs posted:You don't think it possibly has anything to do with, I dunno, those other formats having a chance to exist for more than mere months before a world pandemic obliterated it? sorry your format died 
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If the format was any good people would have kept playing it on MTGO. By and large they didn't, because Wizards refused to do anything about Oracle combo until after the format was already dead.
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Wanna watch someone get scammed for 3k? https://clips.twitch.tv/GiftedAgileAlligatorMikeHogu-_9c7McKAzFOJAUfZ Never EVER buy individual sealed booster packs of expensive old products as the odds its a reseal or a searched booster is incredibly high. At the very least its been searched. I don't give a poo poo how reputable the vendor is, if its out of the sealed box, its been searched. Sickening fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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At a certain point people gotta stop making excuses for pioneer. Before the pandemic people were already getting over the format because did the combo decks. Then it was the pandemics fault. In store play has been around for ages and pioneer is still not being played, despite modern being extremely popular still. Now it’s arenas fault pioneer is failing. If pioneer was a good format, people would play it. The issue is that pioneer does not differentiate itself enough from standard. It’s a bad format, with bad mana, and people aren’t playing because it sucks, not because it’s unlucky.
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maybe y'all should "fetch" some better posts, lol
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I don't have a horse in this race i just really wanted to make that joke
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kalel posted:maybe y'all should "fetch" some better posts, lol Lol
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Huxley posted:An untyped dual land that comes into play untapped and scry X on ETB. uh, 0? It would be strictly better than fastlands which are already playable
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Sickening posted:Wanna watch someone get scammed for 3k? looking for glue, but if it was heat resealed there wouldn't be glue. weird that they even left in the commons and didn't just pull everything and fill it with garbage. and then he's cringing into himself at the very thought of asking for a refund for a bogus $3000 booster with 6 commons in it that has clearly been picked through. if his supplier is legit they should have weighed it and known it wasn't good by the lack of two entire cards hell, I'd say even if you get a sealed box, unless the shrinkwrap is clearly aged and identical to the type of wrapping old mtg boxes had, I wouldn't trust it either.
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did he mention who his "supplier" is?
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Captain Invictus posted:watching past the clip and like, he clearly is doing just fine with his nearly 23,000 subs so he's not completely losing his mind over this, but he's definitely going through stages of regret there, trying to come up with excuses for HOW CAN THIS BE I am totally with you on the sealed boxes. I wouldn't spend any amount of boxes of any real value without really doing my homework on what exactly to expect with the wrap/seal AND going through as reputable of a dealer as possible. But the prices on this stuff is so extreme that I would think that the people with that kind of cash would also not spend it so wildly. But for all you walking around a big magic event and you see individual booster packs selling for 500+ and think to yourself "I want to roll the dice.". You have to know and understand that its either been searched, repacked, or mapped once you hit a certain pricepoint and/or age of product. Your chances are even lower than what it would be in the most legit of situation. YOU WILL BE HOSED.
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Pioneer was fun in that brief moment before everyone figured out what was actually good in the format.
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Strong Sauce posted:did he mention who his "supplier" is? boy it sure would be hilarious if his supplier was Rudy, considering Rudy has entire video series on counterfeits and resealed boosters
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Barry Shitpeas posted:uh, 0? It would be strictly better than fastlands which are already playable "Playable" and "So good you don't play fetches" aren't the same thing. Fetchlands+typed duals enable reliable 3- and 4-colour manabases, which makes them better than even painless 100% untapped duals alone.
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Captain Invictus posted:as far as I watched he didn't, considering there were multiple lines in chat of "let's find the guy and bash his head in" I think he's wise to keep the name under wraps at least until if/when he makes any legal decisions. doubtful since rudy has stopped selling anything that old..
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people who truly hate fetches (weirdos) go to astonishing lengths to make every pioneer discussion a referendum on fetches. it’s very sad actually; they were emotionally invested in pioneer succeeding as a way to “prove” fun nonrotating formats don’t need fetches. my own personal favorite format is draft, notably fetch free. but when pioneer was launched I said that it would die and pointed to the lack of fetches as one (but only one!) reason why. the fetches are a subset of the larger problem with pioneer, which is that by its timing (and yes, its preban of fetches) it cut itself off from one of the chief draws of eternal formats: playing all-star powerful cards from different eras. the pioneer era is, by and large, the era of generic value. generic midrange value creatures. generic efficient aggro beaters. generic grindy control finishers. more specifically, it’s from the era of magic when threats were so much more powerful than answers that good standard decks just look like a pile of efficient threats and value generators. by cutting off access to cards like delver, vial and snapcaster, which let you play under the big haymakers, or chalice and blood moon, which let you lock them out, pioneer committed to the proactive decks only gameplan. of course, in such a format, the one truly powerful cross-block synergy you can build is a combo deck, and without an efficient way to lock combo out or disrupt it, of course combo ruled.
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Huxley posted:An untyped dual land that comes into play untapped and scry X on ETB. 0
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DangerDongs posted:You don't think it possibly has anything to do with, I dunno, those other formats having a chance to exist for more than mere months before a world pandemic obliterated it? I love fondling my deck.
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who even asked for pioneer besides wotc
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