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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is kind of hilarious that crypto proponents think that subjecting bitcoin to the same requirements as cash and stocks makes it "unusable as a currency." I mean, isn't it not having the same requirements as cash that the whole reason it's used at all? That and it's an untraceable way to buy drugs and other illegal things.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I mean, isn't it not having the same requirements as cash that the whole reason it's used at all? That and it's an untraceable way to buy drugs and other illegal things. Yes, but that gives the game away that it isn't actually intended to be used as a real currency instead of just a speculative asset or ransomware/drug/child porn/gun token.
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Nov 6, 2021 06:32
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is kind of hilarious that crypto proponents think that subjecting bitcoin to the same requirements as cash and stocks makes it "unusable as a currency." That would be because Crypto Currency was always a scam, so it having to actually follow rules was inevitably going to doom it. Can't wait to see a lot of VC dickheads be on the bread lines.
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idk why anyone thinks the House version of the BBB will pass through the senate without substantial changes or at all. If they were going to pass the version they negotiated on they could just do that without forcing the BIL through first. The only reason to force the progressive caucus to cave on this is if they want to gut or spike the BBB and say "take it or leave it because you already gave us everything we wanted" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZefOPHAekM&t=4s VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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Also crypto is not necessarily untraceable.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:RIP to bitcoin. iirc this also requires them to report trading crypto for other crypto as taxable income, so more onerous than stocks at least Cranappleberry posted:Also crypto is not necessarily untraceable. the actually untraceable crypto, Monero, is extremely unpopular with the crypto bros for some reason
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A big flaming stink posted:iirc this also requires them to report trading crypto for other crypto as taxable income, so more onerous than stocks at least Trading stocks for stocks still triggers capital gains that are reported.
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so I dont understand why would the progressives not vote for this bill even though it's the only thing they're going to get from the piece of poo poo useless democrats? they've already lost everything important and useful thanks to Manchin and Sinema and the other DCCC vampires, so what do they have to gain from making this stand?
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Al-Saqr posted:so I dont understand why would the progressives not vote for this bill even though it's the only thing they're going to get from the piece of poo poo useless democrats? they've already lost everything important and useful thanks to Manchin and Sinema and the other DCCC vampires, so what do they have to gain from making this stand? to give credibility to their threatened leverage. if all the other factions know that they'll knuckle under no matter what, they'll just ignore their demands like they always do
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Jota posted:Yet again progressives show they'll cave. The party really is spineless all the way down unless it comes to crushing the left. Well yeah but you only need a vestigial remnant of a spine to crush something with no spine
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I love how all the wrong lessons were learned from the Virginia Governor race!
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Kirios posted:I love how all the wrong lessons were learned from the Virginia Governor race! Virginia passed some good laws. His loss was intentional to stop that and use as a cludgel. His campaign literally mailed ads for the other candidate.
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It's just tremendously frustrating that the Democrat response to the Virginia blunder was "We've gotta go further right! I told you progressive philosophy doesn't work!" Although I guess it's ultimately our fault for believing that it would be different this time.
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Kirios posted:It's just tremendously frustrating that the Democrat response to the Virginia blunder was "We've gotta go further right! I told you progressive philosophy doesn't work!" nah mang, it's not your fault. It's not "our" fault.
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I don't post anymore. I banned myself from this place. But I wanted to emerge from the shadow realm to say I'm just....still amazed at the CPC and its weakness and stupidity last night (I know, not all of them were in favor of caving but I'm speaking generally). It was clear to everyone what would happen if the bipartisan bill got voted on first and they let it happen anyway and didn't even get a handful of magic beans back for it. This is all Manchin wanted so whatever thin shred of leverage anyone had over him is history. Kiss BBB and all the actually good things that may have even remained in it goodbye, it's historical dust consigned to the land of Never Was. And in '22 and '24 the Democrats will get rolled hard (no voting rights bill anywhere on the horizon!) and they'll deserve it. And that's basically it, CHUD minority majority rule forever. So I hope y'all are all rich, white, straight, Protestant, cisgender and male, because if not, poo poo's gonna get real tough for you from basically here on in this country. The country is dying. Let the record reflect the Democratic Party of these United States helped it along towards the grave. It is as it always was. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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It’s amazing that they were negotiating with a bunch of house moderates when the real problems were in the senate. I guess the CPC is just gonna pretend the senate doesn’t exist?
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VH4Ever posted:I don't post anymore. I banned myself from this place. But I wanted to emerge from the shadow realm to say I'm just....still amazed at the CPC and its weakness and stupidity last night (I know, not all of them were in favor of caving but I'm speaking generally). It was clear to everyone what would happen if the bipartisan bill got voted on first and they let it happen anyway and didn't even get a handful of magic beans back for it. This is all Manchin wanted so whatever thin shred of leverage anyone had over him is history. Kiss BBB and all the actually good things that may have even remained in it goodbye, it's historical dust consigned to the land of Never Was. And in '22 and '24 the Democrats will get rolled hard (no voting rights bill anywhere on the horizon!) and they'll deserve it. And that's basically it, CHUD minority majority rule forever. So I hope y'all are all white, straight, Protestant, cisgender and male, because if not, poo poo's gonna get real tough for you from basically here on in this country. With the spike in fertilizer prices in the tube... we are likely heading for an abyss.
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Just a quick reminder that a few weeks ago the military got $10 billion in extra money above and beyond their yearly $750+ billion and there wasn't a loving peep about it from anyone, anywhere. That's enough money to spend $200 million on highways in every state. To build 500 $20 million schools. It's also 1/2 the money we spent air-conditioning buildings in Iraq and Afghanistan every loving year we were in those places. And yet no one ever asked how we would pay to cool fabric tents in the loving desert. RIP America, died of laundering money to Northern Virginia.
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StratGoatCom posted:With the spike in fertilizer prices in the tube... we are likely heading for an abyss. What's this?
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JonathonSpectre posted:Just a quick reminder that a few weeks ago the military got $10 billion in extra money above and beyond their yearly $750+ billion and there wasn't a loving peep about it from anyone, anywhere. It's amazing what kind of effects the senate has, in particular, on graft and regulatory capture.
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You’re all being much too pessimistic. The house moderates won’t kill BBB. That would be a breach of trust that would destroy the caucus, and would stop that Jersey chucklefuck from getting his precious tax cut. The only real problem is Manchin and Sinema, and they aren’t any bigger of a problem than they were yesterday, since they’ve made perfectly clear they’d have been fine killing both bills.
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Ogmius815 posted:You’re all being much too pessimistic. The house moderates won’t kill BBB. That would be a breach of trust that would destroy the caucus, and would stop that Jersey chucklefuck from getting his precious tax cut. The only real problem is Manchin and Sinema, and they aren’t any bigger of a problem than they were yesterday, since they’ve made perfectly clear they’d have been fine killing both bills. It really is now Biden's job to get his agenda through the Senate, House progressives have given him enough cover the past 2 months.
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Kirios posted:I love how all the wrong lessons were learned from the Virginia Governor race! https://twitter.com/donnermaps/status/1455928984315707392
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-Blackadder- posted:It probably isn't even that. The stuff we hyperfocus on probably isn't the most important variable. Political strategists seem to vastly overestimate the importance of policy. It's like they're all "penny wise, pound foolish." Nickle and dimeing ourselves to death when it's broader tidal forces that determine the outcome. The phenomenon of the incumbent party losing seats in midterms, or in this case the VAGOV election, is not just some law of nature like gravity. It happens because neither party does jack poo poo for common people and voters realize this in large enough numbers. Policy is probably very important to voters in these off-year elections, it's just that neither party passes any good policy so the theory is never tested. As a result we get the cyclic results in the tweet above. The only time the party in power has passed popular policy in recent memory was post-9/11 when Congress had something like a crazy 75% approval rating because they were doing things the people wanted (even if these things were horrible). As a result, Republicans added seats to their majorities in 2002. People want free healthcare, people want free college, people want good things in general. It's just that no one gives it to them so incumbent voters get disaffected while the opposition gets motivated. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is kind of hilarious that crypto proponents think that subjecting bitcoin to the same requirements as cash and stocks makes it "unusable as a currency." Yeah it's wild that people want things to happen that will help them make more money instead of the things that won't
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Thom12255 posted:It really is now Biden's job to get his agenda through the Senate, House progressives have given him enough cover the past 2 months. Look at the victory lap dems are taking. Biden HAS gotten his agenda through the senate. The rest is just theatre to keep the left in the fold.
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Dubar posted:Look at the victory lap dems are taking. Biden HAS gotten his agenda through the senate. The rest is just theatre to keep the left in the fold. And it makes sense for people to not elect him again after he failed to stand up for his own platform he got elected on.
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Fallom posted:Yeah it's wild that people want things to happen that will help them make more money instead of the things that won't If you are arguing that bitcoin is going to be the new global currency, and also claiming that using it like a currency will ruin it, then something is off about whether you actually want to use it as a currency.
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They’ll probably dangle carrots that if you elect Biden again then this time for realsies they’ll pass legislation and omg make abortion legal again and when they don’t do well they’ll say “Oh no, whattya know, progressive agendas aren’t popular.”
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Ogmius815 posted:You’re all being much too pessimistic. The house moderates won’t kill BBB. That would be a breach of trust that would destroy the caucus, and would stop that Jersey chucklefuck from getting his precious tax cut. The only real problem is Manchin and Sinema, and they aren’t any bigger of a problem than they were yesterday, since they’ve made perfectly clear they’d have been fine killing both bills. Yeah but now there's zero leverage on either of them. Zero. Whether what little leverage existed before would have worked is moot, now there is none.
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https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1456990905546727431 Encouraging lol
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Mind_Taker posted:The phenomenon of the incumbent party losing seats in midterms, or in this case the VAGOV election, is not just some law of nature like gravity. It happens because neither party does jack poo poo for common people and voters realize this in large enough numbers. This is what I've always heard/thought as well, but it never quite followed logically. If Democrats are giving people incremental pieces of all the things they want, in other words, they're giving people what they want, just not enough of it, and not fast enough for some people's tastes, and the Republicans are offering to not only, not give people the things they want, but also take away many of the things they already have, then how is the galaxy brain answer to the Democrats not moving fast enough to just throw up our hands and let Republicans run the show? If it were up to Republicans we never would've had Medicare or even Social Security. Slow Dems can be primaried out. But it seems that people so often fail to realize that "doing nothing" is also an action/choice. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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VH4Ever posted:Yeah but now there's zero leverage on either of them. Zero. Whether what little leverage existed before would have worked is moot, now there is none. I think the issue was that it had all gotten so personal and bitter that there was real danger of both bills going up in flames. Manchin was not budging from his demand that the bipartisan bill be passed before he would agree to anything for the reconciliation bill and was willing to let the infrastucture bill die if necessary. Passing the infrastructure bill was a way to break the logjam, get at least half the loaf instead of none, and give Manchin a chance to return the good will shown him. If the BBB bill is dead now, it was just as dead yesterday and they have lost nothing. Passing the infrastructure bill keeps it on life support for a while, anyway. I'm not optimistic, but that's the way the world is at the moment.
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-Blackadder- posted:This is what I've always heard/thought as well, but it never quite followed logically. If Democrats are giving people incremental pieces of all the things they want, in other words, they're giving people what they want, just not enough of it, and not fast enough for some people's tastes, and the Republicans are offering to not only, not give people the things they want, but also take away many of the things they already have, then how is the galaxy brain answer to the Democrats not moving fast enough to just throw up our hands and let Republicans run the show? Not sure if you noticed it but there's frequently not a lot of logic in the back and forth voting cycles we always seem to have. There's a reason I have an av that says "The Public Sucks." Gee, it's the Republicans' TURN innit? poo poo like that. Bernie supporters voting Joe in the primaries. poo poo like that. Voting FOR gridlock, poo poo like that. Deteriorata posted:I think the issue was that it had all gotten so personal and bitter that there was real danger of both bills going up in flames. Manchin was not budging from his demand that the bipartisan bill be passed before he would agree to anything for the reconciliation bill and was willing to let the infrastucture bill die if necessary. If you honestly think Manchin's "do the vote on the bipartisan NOW and I'll deal" thing was honest or in any way in good faith then lol, bless your heart. Unrelated but I have some land in Florida that might interest you if you'd like to hear more. I'm busting your balls a bit but come on. Manchin is a loving liar. He lied. He ain't voting for poo poo. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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The only logical conclusion is that the Democrats are losing on purpose, or as Homer Simpson says, stupid like a fox.
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I disagree with the premise that everyone wants those things. Lots of people have been brainwashed into thinking anything the government does is bad, so they can't imagine a world where something like universal healthcare would be good, even though they admit the current situation is terrible. Then there's also an element of spite and/or racism where people don't want the government to help the wrong kind of person (whether it's poor people, black people, immigrants, whatever). Finally there are the people who had to suffer, so they'll do the best they can to make other people suffer. Even with ostensibly left-leaning folks you'll hear things like "well I had to pay my student loans, and now we're just going to forgive them for everyone?" Add all those together and you have a solid contingent of anti-progress people, even if that progress would objectively help them out.
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