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How long until the GOP has enough majority for a constitutional convention that makes the democratic party illegal?
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Nov 6, 2021 19:50
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etalian posted:How long until the GOP has enough majority for a constitutional convention that makes the democratic party illegal? lol why would they do this and risk a competent opponent arising in its place?
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Nov 6, 2021 19:53
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Horseshoe theory posted:Hard to be a blunder when it's intentional. If it was intentional, they'd have cocked it up and given us literally everything we wanted, they're such a bunch of fuckups lol.
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Nov 6, 2021 20:00
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etalian posted:How long until the GOP has enough majority for a constitutional convention that makes the democratic party illegal? I pray for this.
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Nov 6, 2021 20:17
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PostNouveau posted:The progressive caucus is much larger than those 6. Like 80 progressives folded on this. yeah but the definition of "progressive" had already shifted to mean "massive succ lord" after  started calling herself one
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Nov 6, 2021 20:23
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vyelkin posted:lol why would they do this and risk a competent opponent arising in its place? If it came to this, do you really think it would just be the democrats who get outlawed out of existence bud?
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Nov 6, 2021 21:43
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indigi posted:Bernard ftfy
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Nov 7, 2021 01:47
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MLSM posted:If it came to this, do you really think it would just be the democrats who get outlawed out of existence bud? even a one-party state could have a more competent opposition than the democrats
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Nov 7, 2021 01:48
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it’s 2/3 of state legislatures to call a convention and 3/4 to approve the changes, right? So 34 to call it and 38 to ratify?
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Nov 7, 2021 01:50
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Lord of Pie posted:yeah but the definition of "progressive" had already shifted to mean "massive succ lord" after Maybe a few of them. I don't know much about the membership, but they elected Jayapal their leader, so there's a large chunk of them selling out
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Nov 7, 2021 01:52
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chilled back better   
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Nov 7, 2021 02:04
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American Progressives are progressive in the same way the Progressive Conservative Party was.
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Nov 7, 2021 02:20
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etalian posted:How long until the GOP has enough majority for a constitutional convention that makes the democratic party illegal? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhI_ugygPQI
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Nov 7, 2021 07:29
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PostNouveau posted:Maybe a few of them. I don't know much about the membership, but they elected Jayapal their leader, so there's a large chunk of them selling out
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Nov 7, 2021 09:24
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etalian posted:How long until the GOP has enough majority for a constitutional convention that makes the democratic party illegal? The dems are an essential part of the ruling class's strangle hold, why would they ever get rid of them? The democrats exist to codify and validate every rightward lurch. Republicans cut taxes 10%, democrats increase them 5%, and we get told thats the most anyone can ever hope for. The republicans builds an anti-immigrant task force so loathsome the cops don't even want to deal with them and the democrats make cooperation mandatory. The republicans propagate culture war bullshit as cover for dismantling rights and protections and the democrats obligingly weakly mewl without ever passing any legislation to actually protect those rights. Abortion rights rested on Supreme Court ruling for almost 50 years without a positive legal right being established through legislation. The real question is how long until they can enshrine right to work and the abolition of capital gains taxes in the constitution
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Nov 7, 2021 09:44
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oh hey it's time for this thread again  
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Nov 7, 2021 09:47
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Victory Position posted:oh hey it's time for this thread again I tell ya, the 2005 version of the "the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022" thread was a wild time
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Nov 7, 2021 10:10
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Kazzah posted:I tell ya, the 2005 version of the "the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022" thread was a wild time Oh. No, this is an easy mistake to make, but George W Bush was a Republican. No, I don't know what the difference is either. Edit: I actually don't know what I was getting at here, but given neither party actually does much to step on each other's toes I don't think either has really 'lost'. thechosenone has issued a correction as of 13:40 on Nov 7, 2021 |
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Nov 7, 2021 13:25
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Horseshoe theory posted:American Progressives are progressive in the same way the Progressive Conservative Party was. American progressives are the progressive rock of rock.
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Nov 8, 2021 01:06
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The 2006 blue wave was a fun time and exactly what the GOP deserved for threatening to gently caress with social security. Nothing much came out of it besides that one goon made Mallard Fillmore parody comic and owning Bush.
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Nov 8, 2021 02:30
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The 2006 blue wave was a fun time and exactly what the GOP deserved for threatening to gently caress with social security. The dem story is once how they win a majority, they find reasons not to do anything with their new found political power.
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Nov 8, 2021 02:51
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etalian posted:The dem story is once how they win a majority, they find reasons not to do anything with their new found political power. at least theyve now talked themselves down from "we can't get anything done because we only have 59 senators" to "we can't get anything done because we only have 50 senators"
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Nov 8, 2021 14:00
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1457683736905011210
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Nov 8, 2021 14:16
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https://twitter.com/CatJova/status/1457033202728538112 imagine joe and nancy having a one on one conversation sounding like your dad's dad and your mom's mom on thanksgiving at 6PM, meds wearing off, extra glass of port kicking their rear end... discussing their roles as leaders in the democratic party.
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Nov 8, 2021 14:36
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Nix Panicus posted:The dems are an essential part of the ruling class's strangle hold, why would they ever get rid of them? The democrats exist to codify and validate every rightward lurch. Republicans cut taxes 10%, democrats increase them 5%, and we get told thats the most anyone can ever hope for. The republicans builds an anti-immigrant task force so loathsome the cops don't even want to deal with them and the democrats make cooperation mandatory. The republicans propagate culture war bullshit as cover for dismantling rights and protections and the democrats obligingly weakly mewl without ever passing any legislation to actually protect those rights. Abortion rights rested on Supreme Court ruling for almost 50 years without a positive legal right being established through legislation. Because the "ruling class" isn't a united faction and the GOP establishment has been increasingly captured by the insane true believer base that thinks even their most tepid opponents are literal communists. The whole controlled opposition thing is how the system used to work but now it's breaking down and while the Democratic side of it is still functioning as intended the Republican side of it has turned into a howling mob of death cult fascists that want autocracy. Edit: lol we'll probably get a GOP constitutional convention at the same time as Trump's second term and any facade of the country not being a dictatorship will be swept away even if it's an obviously bad idea because the Trump administration is a perfect storm of malevolence and stupidity. Vernii has issued a correction as of 16:26 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Nov 8, 2021 16:21
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Vernii posted:Because the "ruling class" isn't a united faction and the GOP establishment has been increasingly captured by the insane true believer base that thinks even their most tepid opponents are literal communists. the dumbest possible result would be a constitutional convention convenes but it turns out the only actual amendment 38 states can agree on is getting rid of term limits so trump can be president forever, so that's what will happen
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Nov 8, 2021 17:27
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Is electing Jayapal meant to be evidence of them not being succ lords? The CPC is such a bizarre loving organization. Uh, yeah, the CPC resolved to vote in favor of the BIF, and most members did. You know, just not our whip. Does ilhan omar actually whip for the CPC? Does anybody? Did omar have to whip to make sure they had enough votes for BIF so that she could turn around and vote against it? What is the point of this thing? At least this term everyone on the leadership team is notionally progressive, Hakeem Jeffries used to be a deputy (he's still a member). Hell, this guy used to be the chair: quote:“So many candidates have proposals right now that I don't think we've been chasing the presidential candidates proposals,” said Pocan, the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. EDIT: Not that jayapal is a meaningful force for good, just that they didn't even used to pretend.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:39
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Vernii posted:Because the "ruling class" isn't a united faction and the GOP establishment has been increasingly captured by the insane true believer base that thinks even their most tepid opponents are literal communists. yeah, I work with a few of these nutters who genuinely believe a lifelong capitalist ghoul like Biden (Mr. Credit Card!) wants to usher in “Red America,” as they eloquently put it. But I live in the South so that’s normal thinking in this humid shithole. The amount of dirt poor Christian lumpenproles here is nauseating.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:53
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Why do so many moderates think a braying death cult is a decent alternative to people fighting for $15 minimum wage? I hang out with people and they're in loving space. They think all the crazies are Democrats. Marjorie Taylor Greene barely means anything to folks when AOC is out there doing her thing. It's just too much, folks. The specter of ANTIFA hangs over all my arguments, yet when I advance the idea I constantly see red-faced, vulgar Trump supporters flying flags and disrupting life on my daily commute they go silent. I've yet to even see a poster demanding better wages on my drive, let alone gently caress TRUMP INTO THE GROUND signs. It's all willful, isn't it? https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1457751532867358725?s=21 Somehow teaching history and giving people a little help scares people more than this? I don’t get it!!’n turnip kid has issued a correction as of 18:07 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Nov 8, 2021 17:56
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I'm glad of it
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Nov 8, 2021 20:11
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turnip kid posted:Why do so many moderates think a braying death cult is a decent alternative to people fighting for $15 minimum wage? I live in Chudland and if you're genuinely asking the answer is twofold. One, and this is only for those old enough to remember, but the dems have been in control in their regions for decades prior to them flipping gop and they still live in economic squalor. They don't have to be Engels to see that things are worse. The much larger reason is that conservatives actually do have a project. That project is of course the construction of a fascist white ethnostate, but it's a long term goal with measurable milestones. That looks like "progress" because it is in fact moving toward something. There is no neoliberal project because we live in it, it's here already. "America is already great". Even if you're in the bourgeoisie, you're well aware that your position is tenuous if and increasingly when things turn downward. Your only two political choices are those telling you things are fine when you know they aren't and conservatives willing to point to "others" whose fault things aren't better. In the absence of a political solution, blame is at least more palatable than throwing in with the people who got you here. The tl;dr is that people throw in with the gop because the dems will straight up tell you they have nothing to offer and there is no real democratic path to any other choice.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:33
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LastInLine posted:There is no neoliberal project because we live in it, it's here already. "America is already great". Even if you're in the bourgeoisie, you're well aware that your position is tenuous if and increasingly when things turn downward. Your only two political choices are those telling you things are fine when you know they aren't and conservatives willing to point to "others" whose fault things aren't better. In the absence of a political solution, blame is at least more palatable than throwing in with the people who got you here. this is a pretty good insight tbh, you can't win people over by telling them that this is as good as it gets.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:53
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vyelkin posted:even a one-party state could have a more competent opposition than the democrats china is a one party state and has a more powerful opposition internally in the party between the maoists and dengists lmao
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Nov 8, 2021 23:15
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the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022
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Nov 8, 2021 23:16
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Flesh Forge posted:this is a pretty good insight tbh, you can't win people over by telling them that this is as good as it gets. Even if you tell them it isn't and it could be better, the dems have amply demonstrated that they are not in a position to deliver it. Remember that Obama won these regions handily in 2008 by saying things could be better and delivered nothing at all. The one thing that could be construed as accomplished, the ACA, was at best a wash and at worst a negative even before active sabotage by red state governments. The democrats haven't, and I think to the politically aware we would say by design, accomplished anything at all in our lifetimes. It's not like your average citizen in Chudland isn't aware the chuds are insane, it's that they rightly don't perceive the democrats as a political alternative that can counter their narrative and political agenda. It's increasingly obvious even to the nonpolitical in these regions that there simply isn't a way to vote your way back to a functioning political system and that the momentum is firmly to the back of those with a far right agenda and project. Voting democratic is only seen as trying to impede their march, not in favor of a project of their own, and it's simply obvious that impediments or not, the right will eventually get their way despite anything you do.
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Nov 8, 2021 23:21
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Smythe posted:the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022 Been hearing this a lot lately
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Nov 8, 2021 23:34
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If you think about it, ontologically, the democrats have already been destroyed
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Nov 9, 2021 01:21
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Kicked Throat posted:https://twitter.com/CatJova/status/1457033202728538112 That would be a great clip if it weren’t for ???? off to the side cackling like morons. Her brain is pudding, but you can’t hear it because of the loving peanut gallery.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:37
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I'm going to go ahead and posit now that the Demonrats will not only lose in 2022, but in fact in all future elections of consequence.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:34
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Smythe posted:the democrats are going to get destroyed in 2022 https://twitter.com/daniel_dsj2110/...ingawful.com%2F https://twitter.com/Madonna/status/...ingawful.com%2F
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