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TraderStav: May 19, 2006; It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Used the new MBP a lot yesterday, the edges seem to be very sharp. I have a lot of tenderness on my palm as if it�s been chafing as I�ve been typing. The only other complaint I have is that sometimes when typing in excel I think my palm brushes against the touchpad and triggers another cell. I would have expected better palm rejection.

Overall, this thing is amazing. I have been out of macOS for a long while but BLEW my mind last night when I was able to turn my large TV into an extra monitor (not just mirroring or casting something directly) and put up a UFC stream while working. It was WAY too easy.

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doingitwrong: Jul 27, 2013

I am torn between the Pro and Max. For normal work uses I�m sure the Pro would be plenty. I don�t really stress the machine beyond running multiple monitors, Zoom, dozens of tabs, many running Google Docs, and occasional light Photoshop/InDesign. So the only reason to get the upgraded machine would be gaming.

I know the correct answer is �don�t buy a Mac for gaming, idiot,� but I�m getting the Mac regardless and it doesn�t seem like I�d be able to pick up a decent Windows rig for the $800 difference.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 17:15

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

doingitwrong posted:

I am torn between the Pro and Max. For normal work uses I�m sure the Pro would be plenty. I don�t really stress the machine beyond running multiple monitors, Zoom, dozens of tabs, many running Google Docs, and occasional light Photoshop/InDesign. So the only reason to get the upgraded machine would be gaming.

I know the correct answer is �don�t buy a Mac for gaming, idiot,� but I�m getting the Mac regardless and it doesn�t seem like I�d be able to pick up a decent Windows rig for the $800 difference.

This seems like terrible logic. Macs are godawful for gaming and instead you could hold onto the $800 and wait until you save another $400 and then buy a totally decent $1200 Windows rig that's 10x better at gaming.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 17:57

Nitrousoxide: May 30, 2011; do not buy a oneplus phone

TraderStav posted:

Used the new MBP a lot yesterday, the edges seem to be very sharp. I have a lot of tenderness on my palm as if it�s been chafing as I�ve been typing. The only other complaint I have is that sometimes when typing in excel I think my palm brushes against the touchpad and triggers another cell. I would have expected better palm rejection.

Overall, this thing is amazing. I have been out of macOS for a long while but BLEW my mind last night when I was able to turn my large TV into an extra monitor (not just mirroring or casting something directly) and put up a UFC stream while working. It was WAY too easy.

If you have an iPad you can also use it as a separate (wireless) monitor. Super useful on the go when you need some extra screen real estate quickly.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 17:58

Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

yeah don�t buy the Max or any mac for gaming wtf

# ? Nov 7, 2021 18:02

epic 2012 username: Mar 26, 2021; by Hand Knit

TraderStav posted:

Used the new MBP a lot yesterday, the edges seem to be very sharp. I have a lot of tenderness on my palm as if it�s been chafing as I�ve been typing.

The gentlest goon. Steady lads, don't bump him

# ? Nov 7, 2021 18:04

LASER BEAM DREAM: Nov 3, 2005; Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

doingitwrong posted:

I am torn between the Pro and Max. For normal work uses I�m sure the Pro would be plenty. I don�t really stress the machine beyond running multiple monitors, Zoom, dozens of tabs, many running Google Docs, and occasional light Photoshop/InDesign. So the only reason to get the upgraded machine would be gaming.

I know the correct answer is �don�t buy a Mac for gaming, idiot,� but I�m getting the Mac regardless and it doesn�t seem like I�d be able to pick up a decent Windows rig for the $800 difference.

I bought the 16" 16GB / 512GB SSD Pro yesterday. I'm a PM and it's going to be my primary work computer. I've got a proper desktop with an RTX 3080, but I loaded up a bunch of games since I'm traveling for work next week.

The most stressing game in my Steam Library is Rise of the Tomb Raider. I threw all the settings to max at 2560x1700 and it averaged 45FPS. I spent no time tuning it, but it still felt very playable.
Subnautica looks absolutely astounding on this screen. I never noticed how fantastic looking the intro sequence is, having only played on a non-HDR display before. It was running at native resolution at what felt like 25-40FPS. More tweaking will get it silky, I'm sure.
Hades plays well but had a little lag onscreen pans at native res. Dropping it down by half made it silky with no noticeable frame drops. My Xbox Elite Series 2 paired up instantly and worked with no additional configuration.

I'm sure the M1 Max performs even better, but this thing feels well situated for MacOS games for some time.

edit: Mac/Cat tax

LASER BEAM DREAM fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Nov 7, 2021

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doingitwrong: Jul 27, 2013

Thanks for yelling some sense into me, goons.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 20:28

TraderStav: May 19, 2006; It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

epic 2012 username posted:

The gentlest goon. Steady lads, don't bump him

You're goddamned right.

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Escape Goat: Jan 30, 2009

doingitwrong posted:

I am torn between the Pro and Max. For normal work uses I�m sure the Pro would be plenty. I don�t really stress the machine beyond running multiple monitors, Zoom, dozens of tabs, many running Google Docs, and occasional light Photoshop/InDesign. So the only reason to get the upgraded machine would be gaming.

I know the correct answer is �don�t buy a Mac for gaming, idiot,� but I�m getting the Mac regardless and it doesn�t seem like I�d be able to pick up a decent Windows rig for the $800 difference.

don�t buy a Mac for gaming, idiot

# ? Nov 7, 2021 20:42

blastron: Dec 11, 2007; Don't doodle on it!

I bought the Max for future-proofing reasons. I don�t need 64 gigs of RAM right now, but in eight years when I�m still using this thing I�ll be glad I have it.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 21:08

Nitrousoxide: May 30, 2011; do not buy a oneplus phone

blastron posted:

I bought the Max for future-proofing reasons. I don�t need 64 gigs of RAM right now, but in eight years when I�m still using this thing I�ll be glad I have it.

Seems to me like you could just buy the 16 or 32 gig one now and in 3-4 years get a new one with 64 gigs, as would be more likely to be typical then, and spend less overall.

# ? Nov 7, 2021 23:24

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

Went to the fruit stand today to paw at the new MBPs and I think I definitely would need the 16". I want that space for the dozen IDE windows I typically have open. And it seems plenty portable still.

e: oh yeah, while I was fiddling around on the laptops, a customer behind me was talking to one of the Apple employees and saying "What I want to do is get into this crypto thing" and the Apple guy was like "oh yeah, it's awesome, and it's so easy, here's what you do"

Data Graham fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Nov 8, 2021

# ? Nov 7, 2021 23:48

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Data Graham posted:

Went to the fruit stand today to paw at the new MBPs and I think I definitely would need the 16". I want that space for the dozen IDE windows I typically have open. And it seems plenty portable still.

e: oh yeah, while I was fiddling around on the laptops, a customer behind me was talking to one of the Apple employees and saying "What I want to do is get into this crypto thing" and the Apple guy was like "oh yeah, it's awesome, and it's so easy, here's what you do"

Sadly the iEugenics project to breed actual Geniuses was abandoned after Steve Jobs� death, as there was a limited supply of genetic material remaining.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 01:44

Rahu: Feb 14, 2009; let me just check my figures real quick here; Grimey Drawer

So this problem with excess memory usage on M1 macs is uh, pretty bad.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 01:46

Bob Morales: Aug 18, 2006; ~~Just wear the fucking mask, Bob~~

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Why do people say spotlight indexes for "the first few days"

A brand new out of the Mac will run it for what 15-20 minutes? Wouldn't you have to import over like 3TB of poo poo for it to run for even a whole day?

# ? Nov 8, 2021 01:51

LASER BEAM DREAM: Nov 3, 2005; Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

Rahu posted:

So this problem with excess memory usage on M1 macs is uh, pretty bad.

I just killed Control Center @ 2.5GB. I restarted just earlier today.

This is likely nothing, but a comment on reddit mentioned that messing with your mouse settings can cause this. Today I installed and heavily configured Steermouse, and changed the mouse color.

Tomorrow I may do a reset on it since I haven't set up too much yet.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 01:56

Bad Purchase: Jun 17, 2019

it's because they're scanning all your photos for child pornography and political wrongthink

# ? Nov 8, 2021 01:59

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

gently caress all y�all I�m gonna get an M1 Max, with all of the trimmings, and none of you are gonna shame me out of it

# ? Nov 8, 2021 03:19

BlackMK4: Aug 23, 2006; wat.; Megamarm

Ok Comboomer posted:

gently caress all y�all I�m gonna get an M1 Max, with all of the trimmings, and none of you are gonna shame me out of it

treat yo self

# ? Nov 8, 2021 03:21

japtor: Oct 28, 2005

Nitrousoxide posted:

Seems to me like you could just buy the 16 or 32 gig one now and in 3-4 years get a new one with 64 gigs, as would be more likely to be typical then, and spend less overall.

I'm not sure if you necessarily spend less overall, but the experience is generally better long term since you'll always have a relatively recent machine vs holding on to an increasingly outdated machine. Then again that's assuming the updates are always good/desirable, and don't have stuff like bad keyboards for years.

Data Graham posted:

Went to the fruit stand today to paw at the new MBPs and I think I definitely would need the 16". I want that space for the dozen IDE windows I typically have open. And it seems plenty portable still.

How about a 14" plus an iPad for a second screen? :v:

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Hasturtium: May 19, 2020; And that year, for his birthday, he got six pink ping pong balls in a little pink backpack.

Ok Comboomer posted:

gently caress all y�all I�m gonna get an M1 Max, with all of the trimmings, and none of you are gonna shame me out of it

Literally the worst thing that could happen is that you'll spend too much money for hardware power you don't need. If you can soak the money, you'll get a great laptop out of it. Enjoy yourself.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 04:03

blastron: Dec 11, 2007; Don't doodle on it!

I took my new MBP to a coffee shop for the first time to try to get some work done. I usually use YouTube videos for music while I work, so I put in my AirPods, fired up a playlist, and then proceeded to spend the next five minutes trying to figure out why the sound kept coming out of my laptop speakers while my headphones were connected.

Turns out that Spatial Audio is really good! I had completely forgotten that it existed because I've never had a computer that used it. It turned itself on by default because YouTube plays video, not music. In the end the only way I was able to convince myself that the sound was in fact coming from my AirPods was by covering up my speakers entirely and noticing that there wasn't any difference in the sound.

_{(i could have also asked the person sitting next to me if they could hear my music but I'm very shy)}

# ? Nov 8, 2021 04:13

Kreeblah: May 17, 2004; INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE; Taco Defender

Rahu posted:

So this problem with excess memory usage on M1 macs is uh, pretty bad.

I'm glad I got 64 gigs of RAM, so I can have enough to run . . . *checks notes* . . . WindowServer and Control Center.

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

I just killed Control Center @ 2.5GB. I restarted just earlier today.

This is likely nothing, but a comment on reddit mentioned that messing with your mouse settings can cause this. Today I installed and heavily configured Steermouse, and changed the mouse color.

Tomorrow I may do a reset on it since I haven't set up too much yet.

I haven't done anything with my mouse settings at all except turn off ~~backwards~~"natural" scrolling, and enable tap-to-click and three-finger-drag, and I'm seeing weird memory use with those components. If it really is the mouse settings doing it, I'm really curious how they managed to get it to leak so much memory.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 04:38

Nitrousoxide: May 30, 2011; do not buy a oneplus phone

Rahu posted:

So this problem with excess memory usage on M1 macs is uh, pretty bad.

I see Apple is a strong believer that unused RAM is wasted RAM. Also unused swap is wasted swap.

You seem to have dropped your magnum page files for your massive address space.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 04:53

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Nitrousoxide posted:

I see Apple is a strong believer that unused RAM is wasted RAM.

haven�t the Intel machines always been like that too?

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japtor: Oct 28, 2005

Ok Comboomer posted:

haven�t the Intel machines always been like that too?

Probably like that since OS X first came out on the PPC.

(but Monterey seems to have some random memory leak bug so it's not necessarily just the usual caching going on)

# ? Nov 8, 2021 05:34

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/leaked-apple-silicon-roadmap-reveals-plans-for-mac-pro-macbook-air/

Ars Technica posted:

Apple has already finalized the second generation of Mac processors, and the third generation is expected to be made with a new 3-nanometer process, according to a report in The Information citing people with direct knowledge of the plans.

The report says that the second-generation chips will use an "upgraded version" of the 5-nanometer process used for the M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max found in recent Apple Silicon Macs. But unlike those first-generation chips, some of the second-generation chips will have two dies instead of one, allowing for more processor cores.

A second-generation chip with just one die will be included in the long-rumored, redesigned MacBook Air as well as in iPads. That chip is code-named Staten. On the other hand, the MacBook Pro will feature more powerful second-generation chips code-named Rhodes. The second-generation chips have already been finalized and are ready to enter trial production, according to The Information's sources.

But the sources also say we haven't seen the end of the first generation. The next Mac Pro's processor would be part of the generation that began with the M1. Code-named Jade, it will be based on the high-end MacBook Pro's M1 Max, but it will have two dies instead of one.

The more powerful third-generation processors are code-named Ibiza, Lobos, and Palma. Lobos and Palma are destined for the MacBook Pro and "Mac desktops." A lower-performance variant code-named Ibiza would head to iPads and the MacBook Air. A future A-series chip for iPhones is also expected to switch to a 3nm process around that time.

Apple's roadmap projects steady performance improvements over time across all three generations, which are all in active development. But the third generation is said to be a particularly momentous leap.

(bolding mine)

90% of this is stuff we already knew/posted here, but it�s cool to have codenames, and lol at leakers hyping 3rd Gen Apple Silicon already.

Pack it in goons, your new shinies are already yesterday�s news

Ars Technica posted:

Much of the report focuses on relative performance compared to Intel's chips, as Intel leadership has announced its desire to try to win back Apple's business, either in terms of Apple again using Intel chips in Macs or in terms of Apple becoming a customer of Intel's chip fabrication business to make Apple-designed chips.

The report speculates that the latter is much more likely than the first, given that Apple's third-generation chips are expected to outperform the chips Intel itself introduces at that time

lol

# ? Nov 8, 2021 07:32

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

They had the shiny new MBPs at Best Buy already, the new keyboard felt and looked great to me, a total turnaround from the previous gen.

To me it felt like this keyboard was meant to take a pounding whereas the previous 2016-2019 keys felt like they were made out of rice paper or something.

It also cemented in my mind that I ought to get the 16-inch because the new miniLED screens were stunning.. it took all my energy to not start yelling like Hudson during the knife game when I turned up the brightness while playing some HDR videos, drat

The new builds felt more like a tank than I thought the 2011s were..

I have the feeling the re-inclusion of the SD slot is going to spur the SD card industry into making more huge capacity ones, but cmon Apple you splurged on everything else but once again had to include at least one outdated standard (UHS-II) in your brand new machine..

# ? Nov 8, 2021 12:53

Bob Morales: Aug 18, 2006; ~~Just wear the fucking mask, Bob~~

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

japtor posted:

Probably like that since OS X first came out on the PPC.

(but Monterey seems to have some random memory leak bug so it's not necessarily just the usual caching going on)

According to Ars you should be running a Memory Cleaner :downs:

# ? Nov 8, 2021 13:21

Mad Wack: Mar 27, 2008; "The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

this probably doesn't apply to most goons but if you are running the chromium microsoft edge be sure to run the dev channel or canary channel for the next month - edge regular and edge beta have a nasty 100% CPU bug on macs that has been turning my M1 MAX murdered out edition into a space heater

# ? Nov 8, 2021 13:53

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Mad Wack posted:

this probably doesn't apply to most goons but if you are running the chromium microsoft edge be sure to run the dev channel or canary channel for the next month - edge regular and edge beta have a nasty 100% CPU bug on macs that has been turning my M1 MAX murdered out edition into a space heater

silly computer, Halloween was last week! no sense in cosplaying as an Intel Mac now, it�s already the second week of November!

# ? Nov 8, 2021 13:57

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

And using weird Microsoft clown pancake makeup at that!

# ? Nov 8, 2021 13:59

trilobite terror: Oct 20, 2007; BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Data Graham posted:

And using weird Microsoft clown pancake makeup at that!

�look at me, Mommy, I�m a Lenovo!�

*comes out covered in post-it notes that say �manufacturer-installed malware�

# ? Nov 8, 2021 14:08

kefkafloyd: Jun 8, 2006; What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Binary Badger posted:

I have the feeling the re-inclusion of the SD slot is going to spur the SD card industry into making more huge capacity ones, but cmon Apple you splurged on everything else but once again had to include at least one outdated standard (UHS-II) in your brand new machine..

UHS-III cards don�t exist and no cameras have UHS-III slots. It may never actually BE implemented because SD Express was literally just launched earlier this year, and no cameras use that yet either. No card readers exist for SD Express yet, nor can you buy those cards. I don't even think you can get SD Express PHYs in any kind of quantity right now. Who knows when you'll actually see them in a new camera, let alone a laptop?

A downside to UHS-III and SD Express is that the fallback compatibility is only UHS-I, meaning all the UHS-II cards on the market will take a performance penalty.

The current solution for getting a faster card is using a combo CFExpress Type A/UHS-II slot (a la the Sony A9II or A1) but CFE type A is even more niche and expensive. Apple could also have added a CFE Type B slot, but that's also a rare card. It would be useful to a very limited subsection of people, versus a UHS-II slot which is useful to a much larger group of people. Kind of like trading a thunderbolt port for an HDMI/SD combo in the first place!

Given all of these factors, UHS-II is literally the only choice for SD cards (for now).

# ? Nov 8, 2021 14:11

Doctor Zero: Sep 21, 2002; Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

When I get the Max the first thing I�m going to do is play a game on it. HAHA IM MAD WITH POWAH!

And then I�m going to do a bunch of rendering :swoon:

Lastly here is a picture of me actually checking the delivery status. :f5:

# ? Nov 8, 2021 14:54

Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezhFFjXbbS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezhFFjXbbS8

Couple of Xplane 11 runs on an M1 Max in Rosetta (since it's still an Intel app) look pretty stunning..

Can't wait to see how well a 747 crashes into the control tower at JFK

# ? Nov 8, 2021 15:15

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

tragick posted:

ok!

i know this isn't the windows thread but you could really use some

# ? Nov 8, 2021 15:45

some kinda jackal: Feb 25, 2003; �
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Obviously the memory leak thing is real but I'm wondering what the commonality is. My M1Pro with 16gig is sipping memory at a reasonable rate with no problems in sight. So is my Gen1 work M1 MBP.

Of course I just jinxed myself and now I'll check tonight to see... like, the spellchecking daemon using 32gb ram.

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# ? May 14, 2024 17:45

Brain Issues: Dec 16, 2004; lol

Martytoof posted:

Obviously the memory leak thing is real but I'm wondering what the commonality is. My M1Pro with 16gig is sipping memory at a reasonable rate with no problems in sight. So is my Gen1 work M1 MBP.

Of course I just jinxed myself and now I'll check tonight to see... like, the spellchecking daemon using 32gb ram.

Makes me wonder if my Base model 14" had this happening and thats why it felt slow compared to this 10C/16C model.

# ? Nov 8, 2021 16:30

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