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Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

kater posted:

is there a reason why not or is it just one of those things people think about and say gosh.

gently caress.

just hosting the few refugees we do right now in many first world countries is a hot button issue that has triggered right wing terrorist attacks

it's a political non-starter

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
PBF really nails it: https://pbfcomics.com/comics/party-time/

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


It's a good time to gather ye rosebuds while ye may

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

r u ready to WALK posted:

i guess juicemedia is starting to lose hope, they spent a lot less time pretending anything can be done in this video

huh, so they spent two years watching peaceful strikes get not only nowhere but make negative progress and seem to have learned something

shocking

i wonder if this trend will continue

kater posted:

is there a reason why not or is it just one of those things people think about and say gosh.

gently caress.

one to two million refugees added to a population of 750 million in europe set off a wave of xenophobia that's still playing out today and the refugees that were nominally 'taken in' are having a rough time

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

God Hole posted:

Neil Brenner, Peter Marcuse, Margit Mayer
Cities for People, Not for Profit

wtf

communism!!!

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020


I like that I can forget about perry bible fellowship for a few years then catch up on all the strips I've missed in, like, 10 minutes

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Complications posted:

one to two million refugees added to a population of 750 million in europe set off a wave of xenophobia that's still playing out today and the refugees that were nominally 'taken in' are having a rough time

"My fellow Americans, due to the devastation of our 4C temperature rise being focused on equatorial zones I am signing a new executive order to allow a small fraction of the hundreds of millions of displaced peoples to seek refuge inside our borders. This will cost..." *sound of speech drowned out by second american revolution starting*

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

The Voice of Labor posted:

I like that I can forget about perry bible fellowship for a few years then catch up on all the strips I've missed in, like, 10 minutes

i'm a big fan of semi-regular releases by artists (i loving hate the term "content creator") who care more about quality than keeping to a "content release schedule"

some types of entertainment can just be churned out so i'm not saying it's bad that it even exists but it's nice to have both

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Yeah have people work parttime as an accountant or whatever and put out some art when they come up with something good.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Rectal Death Adept posted:

"My fellow Americans, due to the devastation of our 4C temperature rise being focused on equatorial zones I am signing a new executive order to allow a small fraction of the hundreds of millions of displaced peoples to seek refuge inside our borders. This will cost..." *sound of speech drowned out by second american revolution starting*

I’m sure we can work out a political compromise where they can work but get no rights.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Rectal Death Adept posted:

"My fellow Americans, due to the devastation of our 4C temperature rise being focused on equatorial zones I am signing a new executive order to allow a small fraction of the hundreds of millions of displaced peoples to seek refuge inside our borders. This will cost..." *sound of speech drowned out by second american revolution starting*

We can't have gun control because the American people being so well-armed will make "annexing" the habitable portions of Canada so much easier. :clint:

(except maybe Calgary, fuckin' Snow Texans)

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Rectal Death Adept posted:

"My fellow Americans, due to the devastation of our 4C temperature rise being focused on equatorial zones I am signing a new executive order to allow a small fraction of the hundreds of millions of displaced peoples to seek refuge inside our borders. This will cost..." *sound of speech drowned out by second american revolution starting*

can you imagine the US's ruling class ever allowing the election of an american president that would take in refugees like that? it'd be manufactured bedlam in the streets if someone like that got into the general election never mind office

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Complications posted:

can you imagine the US's ruling class ever allowing the election of an american president that would take in refugees like that? it'd be manufactured bedlam in the streets if someone like that got into the general election never mind office

That's the most unrealistic part of The Day After Tomorrow, the Dick Cheney analog being *humble* and forgiving Mexico's debts to allow climate refugees to flee into Mexico to escape the deadly cold.

My guess would be that instead of the contrite speech where he sees the ~error of his ways~, it'd more likely be "I've TOLD the Mexican President that any attempts to interdict Americans from entering his country will be met with overwhelming force, and I'm instructing all American citizens who own firearms to use whatever means necessary to assure the survival of themselves and theirs. God Bless America, and nowhere else." (murmurs from off-camera) "What do you mean, 'that's a line from a Chris Rock movie,' what part?" (screen goes blank)

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Complications posted:

can you imagine the US's ruling class ever allowing the election of an american president that would take in refugees like that? it'd be manufactured bedlam in the streets if someone like that got into the general election never mind office

yeah it's the ruling class that would stop that, the people themselves would cheer with abandon

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Complications posted:

can you imagine the US's ruling class ever allowing the election of an american president that would take in refugees like that? it'd be manufactured bedlam in the streets if someone like that got into the general election never mind office

why the gently caress would the ruling class be against that? they'd be loving overjoyed. the more peasants there are the richer they become.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

The Voice of Labor posted:

I like that I can forget about perry bible fellowship for a few years then catch up on all the strips I've missed in, like, 10 minutes

I for one am all caught up. And how did this one never get posted??

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

In response to monoculture crops being overall awful for long term viability of agriculture, capital is responding by blaming herbicides and building high tech laser robots to help monoculture farming.

quote:

“It’s able to say ... ‘this is a spinach,’ which is a crop that somebody might grow, and ‘this is a purslane,’ which is a weed that somebody may want to kill,” Mikesell told me. “It’s important for us to be able to know weeds and crops because these farmers do rotations. So you might do carrots ... so your field is full of carrots. You grow the carrots, harvest them, send them to market, hopefully make a nice profit. And then, after that you plant onions. So in the first scenario, the carrots were the crop and everything that’s not a carrot you want to kill. In the second scenario, the carrots are now weeds. If there’s any leftover carrots you want to kill them and protect the onions. And so our machines know what it’s actually looking at and can say, ‘Okay, it’s onion time, let’s kill the carrots.’”

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I for one am all caught up. And how did this one never get posted??



Probably because it pre-dates the existence of CSPAM.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

SKULL.GIF posted:

why the gently caress would the ruling class be against that? they'd be loving overjoyed. the more peasants there are the richer they become.
correct

goons have some weird conceptualization of "the ruling class", libs, tradgop, and divergent-nationalist gops. the ruling class ideologically is "liberal" and is a predominant strain for almost the entire medial-political-sphere.

however, the "ruling class" is actually somewhat threatened in it's control over the levers-of-power and trad lib ideology because of crumbling socioeconomic prospects for the masses and 'collapsing' world the masses thought they knew/lived. And in that void, the ruling class offering pithy platitudes and means-tested meritocratic greenwashing bullshit doesn't cut it so there's been a surgence of nationalistic-pseudo-socialist populism right saying 'hey this poo poo is hosed up and america is dead because globalized-liberals killed it, but we can fix it and make things great!' which sure sounds a lot more attractive than anything the ruling class libs are offering.

ultimately, for now, even those are still chained and handcuffed by the powers of the ruling class (i.e. literally the only thing trump even accomplished was tax cuts for rich and could barely do anything else. nafta 2.0 was exactly the same and global-free-trade exploitation friendly). there may come a day they finally ignore the shackles and actually Do Something but it won't be to the benefit of the ruling class.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Rime posted:

Probably because it pre-dates the existence of CSPAM.

I only went back about 10 comics :negative:

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Xaris posted:

correct

goons have some weird conceptualization of "the ruling class", libs, tradgop, and divergent-nationalist gops. the ruling class ideologically is "liberal" and is a predominant strain for almost the entire medial-political-sphere.

however, the "ruling class" is actually somewhat threatened in it's control over the levers-of-power and trad lib ideology because of crumbling socioeconomic prospects for the masses and 'collapsing' world the masses thought they knew/lived. And in that void, the ruling class offering pithy platitudes and means-tested meritocratic greenwashing bullshit doesn't cut it so there's been a surgence of nationalistic-pseudo-socialist populism right saying 'hey this poo poo is hosed up and america is dead because globalized-liberals killed it, but we can fix it and make things great!' which sure sounds a lot more attractive than anything the ruling class libs are offering.

ultimately, for now, even those are still chained and handcuffed by the powers of the ruling class (i.e. literally the only thing trump even accomplished was tax cuts for rich and could barely do anything else. nafta 2.0 was exactly the same and global-free-trade exploitation friendly). there may come a day they finally ignore the shackles and actually Do Something but it won't be to the benefit of the ruling class.

no, what they'll do is outlaw refugees, set up gun emplacements on the southern border, and make sure there are just enough holes to let through a desperate underclass with no legal protection that can have their most prosperous be periodically swept and exampled

there isn't going to be a refugee program and it'll be on purpose

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
the focus on gloves for plastic salting is pretty funny because it's clearly this weird hoity toity this is the secret behind your food being served The Jungle sorta method. No need to focus on ur overpriced meals. You just have to look in your fridge lol. Or buy deli cheese.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
the drooling class

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



the fueling gas

the mewling rear end

the fooling brass

the tooling mass

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



your food is contaminated but probably fine overall compared to the water you're drinking

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



the pooping lass

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

your food is contaminated but probably fine overall compared to the water you're drinking

The water that Coke and Pepsi sell (Dasani and Aquafina, respectively) aren't good enough quality to make Coke and Pepsi out of, and to make things even more depressing, they're bottled from municipal sources that are known to have :airquote: good :airquote: water (Aquafina used to pull from Houston - who knows if they still do post-floods), bottle it in cheap plastic, then send it to places that have shittier water.

:capitalism:

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



the grueling sass


okay im done

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Complications posted:

In response to monoculture crops being overall awful for long term viability of agriculture, capital is responding by blaming herbicides and building high tech laser robots to help monoculture farming.

Calling purslane a weed sums it up really

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

by Pragmatica

(and can't post for 12 days!)

Enfys posted:

Calling purslane a weed sums it up really

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Complications posted:

no, what they'll do is outlaw refugees, set up gun emplacements on the southern border, and make sure there are just enough holes to let through a desperate underclass with no legal protection that can have their most prosperous be periodically swept and exampled

there isn't going to be a refugee program and it'll be on purpose

Don't forget the part where the threat of that cheap, right-less labor is continually used to divide and undermine any remnants of collective labor power. It's an insane win-win-win for the ruling class, at least in the short term.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I think this is the climate change thread so I will ask ha question here.
What is a CO2 pipeline and are they really stupid?

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
if you mean pipelines designed to channel and transport captured carbon to some kind of central processing facility or something I guess it's one of the more efficient and sensible ways to do that kind of thing. Every carbon capture facility you make doesn't also need carbon sequestration infrastructure too. Just pipe it off to Shitsville, Nowhere to be buried or whatever.

Whether or not optimizing carbon capture is stupid is up to the reader though. It really depends on if you still think that would even help.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Rectal Death Adept posted:

if you mean pipelines designed to channel and transport captured carbon to some kind of central processing facility or something I guess it's one of the more efficient and sensible ways to do that kind of thing. Every carbon capture facility you make doesn't also need carbon sequestration infrastructure too. Just pipe it off to Shitsville, Nowhere to be buried or whatever.

Whether or not optimizing carbon capture is stupid is up to the reader though. It really depends on if you still think that would even help.

Ok. I'm just wondering because iowa is goi g to have a co2 pipeline soon and everyone is throwing a god damned fit.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Rectal Death Adept posted:

if you mean pipelines designed to channel and transport captured carbon to some kind of central processing facility or something I guess it's one of the more efficient and sensible ways to do that kind of thing. Every carbon capture facility you make doesn't also need carbon sequestration infrastructure too. Just pipe it off to Shitsville, Nowhere to be buried or whatever.

Whether or not optimizing carbon capture is stupid is up to the reader though. It really depends on if you still think that would even help.

but instead we should just build the carbon capture facilities on top of the storage formations they're going to use.

because remember, we have to store this carbon *forever*. not just for 100 years. not just for 1,000. but forever and ever and ever amen. so there are actually very few places where the geology means we can do that.


Mr Hootington posted:

Ok. I'm just wondering because iowa is goi g to have a co2 pipeline soon and everyone is throwing a god damned fit.

basically there's a push by all the pro-oil and gas people to pump co2 everywhere so that we can:

*Spend more money on gas pipelines
*Use the co2 to extract more oil
*claim this saves the climate

so that's why they're all about co2 pipelines right now, because that's how you make the fantasy of "lets burn more coal, pump more oil, and claim its solving the climate" work, they have to pipe the co2 from all the coal plants to all the oil fields to do Enhanced Oil Recovery.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Gravid Topiary posted:

imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. the first ball is maybe condensed matter physics. actually there are an unknowable number of balls and we don't fully understand how they interact with the other balls or with the cliff, which is also made of balls. but the balls are hot and wet. the cliff is the earth and everything on it. the balls slap against the cliff when they get angry. the balls are angry. we are the cliff. :science:

I am often imagining four balls slapping against each other

GEMorris
Aug 28, 2002

Glory To the Order!

Complications posted:

In response to monoculture crops being overall awful for long term viability of agriculture, capital is responding by blaming herbicides and building high tech laser robots to help monoculture farming.

Biosphere Collapse: ‘Okay, it’s onion time, let’s kill the carrots.’

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




Spergin Morlock posted:

I am often imagining four balls slapping against each other

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Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

The Demilich posted:

Any high end reading you recommend regarding both city planning and government? I'm very much into expanding my personal library.

Garden Cities of To-Morrow - Ebenezer Howard 1902

Vertical Farm Diversification - D. Howard Doane 1950

The Heart of our Cities - Victor Gruen 1964

Human Identity in the Urban Environment - Bell and Tyrwhitt 1972

Centers for the Urban Environment - Victor Gruen 1973


Gruen ended up mostly being known for designing shopping malls but had a good understanding of how to make buildings and public spaces that people feel comfortable in, the need for cities to accommodate a growing population, and the costs of our growth on the earth. Here's the text of the first chapter of "Centers for the Urban Environment."

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